Why does "urban" mean "black"?
24-06-2008, 01:30 PM
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no it dont, there plenty of white urban acts/groups/whatever.
its not even just rap/hiphop either, DnB, Bassline/Garage, Dubstep, whatever, all classed as urban.
if there was a black geezer singing country music with a fucking banjo it wouldnt be urban would it
its not even just rap/hiphop either, DnB, Bassline/Garage, Dubstep, whatever, all classed as urban.
if there was a black geezer singing country music with a fucking banjo it wouldnt be urban would it
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24-06-2008, 01:34 PM
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another question is why has 'mary has a little lamb' or 'humpty dumpty' not been redefined as rap ?
what's the difference between a rhyme and a rap ?
what's the difference between a rhyme and a rap ?
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24-06-2008, 01:36 PM
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24-06-2008, 01:51 PM
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that's why you have slight variations in all sorts of shit, trip-hop, wtf is that all about?
drum and bass yes, garage, i can understand, but then it's grime house and other words people brand themselves with to make themselves stand out
it's like amy winehouse and duffy and them pop stroplett's who think they are the next big thing, they are just another shitty, overhyped singer who wants to change the musical world
or the abundance of grunge groups, who were just college drop outs who didn't wash
every generation has it's own idiots who try and make it big but you should be asking yourself why r&b is not rythem and blues and is actually dancey, pop'y, cluby type stuff
24-06-2008, 01:58 PM
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Well no, not really... I'm sitting here watching TV and an advert for a music compiltion album comes on. Every artist in the advert is black, or derivitive of. The music is typically hip hop or rap, think one of the tracks was RnB. Album was "something Urban" or "urban something" (can't remember the other word)
Watching a programme the other day about kids in cities and their lifestyles etc, they were going on about their clothes. All the kids are black. The term applied to their clothing style was "urban"...
Now I don't see John Smith, a white 20something man who lives in an URBAN area (ie, residential area) who wears a suit to work and listens to classical music being described as urban.
Why is that?
Watching a programme the other day about kids in cities and their lifestyles etc, they were going on about their clothes. All the kids are black. The term applied to their clothing style was "urban"...
Now I don't see John Smith, a white 20something man who lives in an URBAN area (ie, residential area) who wears a suit to work and listens to classical music being described as urban.
Why is that?
24-06-2008, 02:00 PM
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Here's another example;
Urban, typically African-American music that features spoken lyrics, often reflecting current social or political issues, over a background of sampled sounds or scratched records.
www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0776052.html
www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0776052.html
24-06-2008, 02:01 PM
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............
Its because the group of people who misappropriate the word in the first place are ill educated and fucking stupid. Which is why they are banging dustbins and chanting rhymes instead of something worthwhile...
24-06-2008, 02:10 PM
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Just seems strange. The dictionary definition of URBAN means a densly populated residentail area, such as a city. Which means people who live in London, for example, live in an urban area.
However, media seems to have changed this and the socially accepted definition of the word/term is to describe black individuals, or of black descent, and ties in strongly with music performed by black artists....
However, media seems to have changed this and the socially accepted definition of the word/term is to describe black individuals, or of black descent, and ties in strongly with music performed by black artists....
24-06-2008, 02:13 PM
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no it doesnt at all
it means rough, inner city, street level, raw
it's just pure co-incidence that the chaps that sing this rubbish are of ethnic decent.
bloody racism, whats the world coming to when we cant take piss out of each other?
24-06-2008, 02:34 PM
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24-06-2008, 03:52 PM
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...avclient&hl=en
relating to or concerned with a city or densely populated area; "urban sociology"; "urban development"
located in or characteristic of a city or city life; "urban property owners"; "urban affairs"; "urban manners"
Urban is a common name, from the Latin urbanus (from the city).
of or belonging to a city or town
The urban population comprises all persons living in urbanized areas (which contain at least one city of 50,000 and its surrounding closely settled area) and places of 2,500 or more population outside of urbanized areas
The "urban" category includes those areas classified as being urbanized (having a population density of at least 1,000 persons per square mile and a total population of at least 50,000) as well as cities, villages, boroughs (except in Alaska and New York), towns (except in the six New England ...
Where does it sat anything about "rough" or "raw" ?????
My point was not what the dictionary definition of the word is - I know what the dictionary definition of the word is, my point was to highlight why the accepted term of usage is to describe black music, or more so music of a particular style (the three typical styles be rap, hip hop and RnB, which in itself is a joke, but thats a whole different kettle of fish) being performed or attributed to people of black descent.
1) where am I taking the piss out of anyone
2) how the fuck do you know me enough to call me racist?
24-06-2008, 04:02 PM
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25-06-2008, 07:27 AM
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25-06-2008, 10:17 AM
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Why roll your eyes?
It's a fucking dumb post.
Traditionally in inner city areas, the poorest families would be black familes, which by definition would mean that the most urbane areas would be areas containing a large black population.
That combined with a slang use of the word means that you get that link.
Surely you're not as stupid as you make out?
It's a fucking dumb post.
Traditionally in inner city areas, the poorest families would be black familes, which by definition would mean that the most urbane areas would be areas containing a large black population.
That combined with a slang use of the word means that you get that link.
Surely you're not as stupid as you make out?
25-06-2008, 10:56 AM
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Google image search of Urban shows no black people apart from the 2012 'Urban Dance' for the Olympics (but theres a white man too)
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=...=1&sa=N&tab=wi
This is 1 of those topics that will spiral out of control ha ha
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=...=1&sa=N&tab=wi
This is 1 of those topics that will spiral out of control ha ha
25-06-2008, 01:03 PM
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Why roll your eyes?
It's a fucking dumb post.
Traditionally in inner city areas, the poorest families would be black familes, which by definition would mean that the most urbane areas would be areas containing a large black population.
That combined with a slang use of the word means that you get that link.
Surely you're not as stupid as you make out?
It's a fucking dumb post.
Traditionally in inner city areas, the poorest families would be black familes, which by definition would mean that the most urbane areas would be areas containing a large black population.
That combined with a slang use of the word means that you get that link.
Surely you're not as stupid as you make out?
Interestingly tho, initially you rubbish my first post, then actually agree with me that the general connotation of the word urban refers to people of black origin/descent, yet still try to make out I am wrong. Make your mind up, which is it?
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25-06-2008, 05:26 PM
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thursh i was just about to agree with you, then i looked on hmv at CDs,these aint very black
urban hymns - verve
urban renewal - songs of phil collins
urban angel - Natalie Walker
many more
but mainly my point is that i missed is that urban RnB shit ruined the club sceen, its only just getting over it since early 00's
urban hymns - verve
urban renewal - songs of phil collins
urban angel - Natalie Walker
many more
but mainly my point is that i missed is that urban RnB shit ruined the club sceen, its only just getting over it since early 00's
25-06-2008, 05:43 PM
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Fil, thats fair enough. I'm not saying it's exclusively used with black people/artists. Maybe I should have worded my initial post better to say "typically" and "socially granted" in regards to the usage of the word in todays language.
But you look at those CD's and can point out a few artists that aren't of coloured origin/descent, but I'll bet you 95% of the artists on there ARE.
My point has been that the usuage of the word URBAN in todays language has been very much linked, almost directly, to black people/artists/music (and by music it's typically associated with rap/hiphop/RnB). There are some of course, white artists, that record music in these styles, and are associated with that "scene". But in essence, the "scene" is that of black rapper's/hip hop artists.
Nobody described "Blazin Squad" as urban. But Sean Paul or Jay Z, or Lisa Mafia, or LL Cool J, or So Solid Crew would and were described as being part of the "urban" scene...
But you look at those CD's and can point out a few artists that aren't of coloured origin/descent, but I'll bet you 95% of the artists on there ARE.
My point has been that the usuage of the word URBAN in todays language has been very much linked, almost directly, to black people/artists/music (and by music it's typically associated with rap/hiphop/RnB). There are some of course, white artists, that record music in these styles, and are associated with that "scene". But in essence, the "scene" is that of black rapper's/hip hop artists.
Nobody described "Blazin Squad" as urban. But Sean Paul or Jay Z, or Lisa Mafia, or LL Cool J, or So Solid Crew would and were described as being part of the "urban" scene...