Edmund

Hi,in the next couple of months i will be considering getting this mighty car,has anyone here driven one?I know in 2005 when they first came out they was described as the best car in the world,so pretty good i guess.I also noted that evolution chips do a program to give 28 more bhpSo 535bhp looks quite nice,can anyone see a major drop in value coming as i have noted 35k gets a low milege one,i know we are in a black time but surely these cars will retain some value stability?

maxest

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The way the market is at the moment i'd be holding back, as they will drop more

Lambchop

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35k?? christ!

mates dad has one. never been out in the fucker though yet come to think of it!

Stu @ M Developments

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Drive it and see. Personally i am always immensely dissapointed by them due to lack of low end torque. I expect they have stroked it to gain the horsepower and the trade off is loss of torque, but dont know that for a fact, im just going off how she feels.

Tricky one, because once the revs are up fook me they go and you soon forget the low end torque. LOL!

The thing is, i see the E60 M5 as a daily driver and the fact it does that worse than the Ł12K E39 M5 is worrying when your paying Ł23K more.

Try it and see, only you can make that decision.

R5FORD

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there were low mileage ones for 28k not so long back..

nice cars but dissapointing.

Edmund

Stu,what is the smg3 like?

Stu @ M Developments

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Outstanding, but you need to spend 2 or 3 hrs with it.
First impression is to hate it.

foreigneRS

to quote you from the other M5 economy thread "ever heard of a gearbox?"

Stavros

I know that a full supersprint exhaust, manifolds too, gives a fucking massive gain too, cant remember what exactly, but bloody loads.

Stroked what?

Stu @ M Developments

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Ha Ha.
Seriously though. The old V8 has an amazing low end. You simply dont need to change gear often and very very rarely venture above 2000rpm. It makes hes a real gem to drive slowly in typical town traffic.


I missed out "De-" on purpose as since its a new engine, they cant have destroked it, but i suspect the stroke is teh reason for the bhp and torque being as they are.

Stavros

Oh right yeah. 72mm stroke, which is pretty short, certainly lot shorter than the E39 V8s stroke (89mm i think?)

Bet the cams and port sizes are pretty lairy too considering how it revs.

Edmund

Yes i was quite shocked at the 8250 redline!

pani_k

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But isn't that worse for fuel consumption if you are having to work the engine harder (foot further down) to get from 1500 to 2000rpm than for it to get from 2500-3000rpm? And also the fact that it's not particularly brilliant for it to be hovering underneath 2000rpm all the time? Just a thought.

S1rst

People saying there dissapointing!

Im pretty sure i wouldnt be disappointed behind the wheel.

S1rst

I thought exactly the same mate. I know someone who drives his car like this thinking he's driving economically, but every time i drive it at higher revs, he's shocked as to why i get much more mpg. Its on the verge of labouring when he drives it like this and thats not good for the engine and clutch/box and certainly no good for fuel consumption.

I suppose the M5 is not your run of the mill car though so maybe it can pull it off at lower revs unlike most other cars.

Stavros

we talking big v8s here, not fanny little 1.6s, 2000rpm is NOT labouring one

Phil

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I was lucky enough to be driven round a track in one by a professional racing driver and I was absolutely blown away by the cars abilities!

pani_k

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Even still, I would've thought that the principle is still the same even with the torque greatly increased on a V8 meaning it won't have any problems pulling at that rpm, it's still pulling a two tonne german lump whatever torque it is producing and can't help but think it would find it easier pulling from 2500-3000 than 1500-2000.

Stu @ M Developments

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Labouring is simply teh term used to describe what happens when you dont have enough torque to smoothly rotate the driven wheels against the restrictions and you start to feel that chugging vibration as the fight between wheels and engine evens out or the engine starts to lose. You drop a gear to multiply teh torque and win the fight. The M5 E39 V8 makes more torque at 1500rpm than most cossies do at peak boost mate. I assure you mine doesnt labour in 6th until i dip below 1000rpm. She idles at around 450rpm.

Stavros

panik have a drive of one then say. impossible to say what your saying unless you have tried.

ive driven 5litre v8s in massive cars and even at full throttle and 1000rpm they dont feel remotely laboured like a small engined car does.

Edmund

1750kg actually!Quarter of a ton is alot!

pani_k

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I was rounding mate, I know they don't weigh two tonnes

But fair do's never been in a V8 before.

Edmund

The lastest is V10

Edmund

So to sum up the M5 is rubbish for around town,but awesome power,as said i think i need a good drive first!I cannot possibly consider the E39 as i dont want to be scared when i see a cosworth come up behind! That was to that comedy Dan fella

COMEDY DAN

Very good mate.

rapidcossie

I saw a DMS chipped one on ther rollers and it still didnt make 500 bhp!

Stu @ M Developments

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[quote=Edmund;3365450]So to sum up the M5 is rubbish for around town,but awesome power/quote]

Rubbish? behave. Dissapointing for a Ł35K+ 500+bhp M car maybe, but hardly Rubbish mate, it will still spank most cars for torque.

Mr Brannen

No they wont,at least not for the time being,hang on a bit longer mate and you will have a bargain car then,not just yet though as theye are still falling

Edmund

I would image because the cars electronics are more complex than a home pc the ecu didnt see the correct airflow so retarded ignition?A rolling road is not meant for reliable power figures,how can it you cannot produce the same air as in reality,no matter how good the fans.

rapidcossie

ok

Stu @ M Developments

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I beleive (Customer info) that you often need to pull a couple of fuses to get the correct power figures on the bigger M cars.

foreigneRS

of course you can if the fans are good enough. how do you think manufacturers test things?

i used to work in a climatic wind tunnel with a 220 kW motor turning a fan that could produce enough wind to cover the entire frontal area up to 70 mph. there are wind tunnels that can do well over 100 mph

Edmund

Stu has backed my answer up.(not re reality air and blown air)

A rolling road is a diagnostic tool,NOT a accurate measure of BHP,if you truly think you can get accurate from a rolling road then you shouldnt be given any advice on a public forum at all IMHO.I will however say its great for shoot outs

rapidcossie

Im not going to bother arguing edmund.

Edmund

Because their is nothing to argue about mate,i certainly am not going to argue something that is fact.

rapidcossie

Good man

next you will tell me that my car isnt mapped right cos it has been mapped on a rolling road that cant produce enough air flow

pani_k

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So everybody that's rolling roaded their cars has a bollocks bhp and torque figure?

You do know that these things are calibrated mate? They don't use the force or anything to calculate bhp.

Benni

I think you are taking what he saying out of context.

Benni!

rapidcossie

Im not Benni.

Edmund(probably someone who has never operated a rolling in his life) is saying that you CANT measure bhp accuratly on a rolling road and in specific a V10 M5.

I think otherwise but everyone is entiltled to their own opinion at the end of the day

Edmund

..Benni you are correct and a little knowledge is VERY dangerous!!I have no idea who you are Rapid but you are telling me a rolling road is gospel for accurate power figures,are you also religious by any chance?