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Old 03-06-2008, 12:05 PM
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Hi everyone,

I'd like to put a ceiling in my garage, nothing fancy, just something that i can nail onto the joists to make it look a bit better and to put a couple of cheapy downlighters in etc.

What would be best to use? I thought plasterboard, but a mate said that if the garage is not damp proof, it will slowly warp, same with chipboard. What would be best to use? Musn't be too expensive, as its only for the garage


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Plywood?
Old 03-06-2008, 12:32 PM
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quarter inch hardboard about Ł6 for a 8 by 4 sheet
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
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LOL.
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Originally Posted by rst deany
quarter inch hardboard about Ł6 for a 8 by 4 sheet
hardboard will also swell when wet,

i would use either plywood or mdf
Old 03-06-2008, 12:52 PM
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You can get green chipboard that is damp proof, sold as loft boards.
I used it when I converted my loft - of course I was attaching it to the other side of the joists.
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ok guys thanks for your help, will go to b&q at the weekend and see which of your suggestions is cheapest
Old 03-06-2008, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Twellsie
hardboard will also swell when wet,

i would use either plywood or mdf
Surely MDF will be worse?
Old 03-06-2008, 01:32 PM
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Plywood and screw it up.. just incase the local toerags run across your roof and put there foot through the roof..
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lol yes thats true. It is a proper roof on it tho, not a flat roof. I get no problems with toerags, i live in the posh area of town
Old 03-06-2008, 02:02 PM
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steel?

that should stop em getting in!
Old 03-06-2008, 02:08 PM
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Can you not treat/varnish the plywood before you screw it into the joists? That will help with longevity.
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if you get exterior (wbp) plywood that would be ok, (not marine ply as that will cost a small fortune.) as said earlier screw it to the joists
if you have a pitched roof why not board over the top of the joists too and leave a hatch for access the space could be used for storage
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I used plasterboard and its been fine, pitched roof and a fairly modern garage. boarded over the top for storage and a small hatch. just have to skim over the plasterboard. I have left it over the winter to see if it would be ok before plastering and seems fine.
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i did think about using it for storage, but its a pretty small roof, so you would never get up there between the joists! Plus my loft inside the house has nothing at all in it apart from 1 cardboard box, so i'm not exactly short on storage space
Old 03-06-2008, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
asbestos
duno if that was a joke.

but the stuff that replaced asbestos.

known as fibreboard, fire proof board or some even still call it asbestos.

comes in 8x4 sheets, is white and smooth glassy fibre texture. 1/4" will be fine and use 40-42mm dry wall screws rather than nails to make a solid and neat job.

its what we use in most external gararges as its damp proof. also its fire proof which is very good with a hot turbod car and petrol laying around. and also it is easily paintable if u so wish.

Originally Posted by jungleistmassiv
ok guys thanks for your help, will go to b&q at the weekend and see which of your suggestions is cheapest
sod b&q mate that place is for muppets. got to ur local building supplier, travis p or similar

wouldnt bother with the hard board, unless you soak it first nail it and let it shrink dry, or ul never get it flat!!

or to be honest plaster board will prob be ok, providing its fixed properly and its not real damp in there!!
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Originally Posted by Lee Ivatt
duno if that was a joke.

but the stuff that replaced asbestos.

known as fibreboard, fire proof board or some even still call it asbestos.

comes in 8x4 sheets, is white and smooth glassy fibre texture. 1/4" will be fine and use 40-42mm dry wall screws rather than nails to make a solid and neat job.

its what we use in most external gararges as its damp proof. also its fire proof which is very good with a hot turbod car and petrol laying around. and also it is easily paintable if u so wish.
no it wasn't a joke. obviously i know that some kinds of asbestos are hazardous and can no longer be used, but i did think that there were other types that you could still use (although maybe not called asbestos, but that kind of material)
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
no it wasn't a joke. obviously i know that some kinds of asbestos are hazardous and can no longer be used, but i did think that there were other types that you could still use (although maybe not called asbestos, but that kind of material)
yeh fibre board as i said. doh
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try some tounge and groove nice and cheap and its a one man job,might take abit longer to put up than 8x4 sheets of ply but it will look ten times better!
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Originally Posted by stuart1
try some tounge and groove nice and cheap and its a one man job,might take abit longer to put up than 8x4 sheets of ply but it will look ten times better!
yeh do the walls and floor whilst your at it.
then stick a coal fire in middle and a bucket of water with a large spoon.
get some white towels and a themometer.

wehey party sized sauna

ps toung and groove is relativly expensive compared to board, and you'll have to mitre it in if the walls are not square, and bead the edge to get a true finish
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cheers for all the replies! Really not after anything fancy, i would nail some dead cats up there if i knew they wouldn't smell and warp a bit....

Gonna get boarding probably next weekend, will put up some piccies when i'm done
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you can get plasterboard known as vapour check it has a foil layer to one side stops the damp getting in. For a belt and braces job pva/sealer the other side stops the damp getting in or you can buy green moisture resistant plasterboard its green both are not alot more than standard plasterboard.

Hope this helps i am in the drylining game.

Cheers


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Masterboard is an external grade board, which is made for this type of thing.

foil backed plasterboard wouldnt be much good in a particularly damp garage, because the gyproc side of it would still get damp!

dont go to B&Q, go to a builders merchants it will be much cheaper.
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Originally Posted by jungleistmassiv
cheers for all the replies! Really not after anything fancy, i would nail some dead cats up there if i knew they wouldn't smell and warp a bit....

Gonna get boarding probably next weekend, will put up some piccies when i'm done
plaster boards the easiest bet. dont think damp will be an issue if u fix it every 1/2 meter.

ues drylining screws (the black ones) bout 40mm long

make sure you have a sharp stanley blade

make up a couple of dead men sticks

if its a single gararge should have it done in an hour!
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Originally Posted by percybigun
Masterboard is an external grade board, which is made for this type of thing.

foil backed plasterboard wouldnt be much good in a particularly damp garage, because the gyproc side of it would still get damp!

dont go to B&Q, go to a builders merchants it will be much cheaper.
thats the other thing its caller master board. (fibre board, asbestos, fire board)
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thanks for that mate! what are dead men sticks?
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Originally Posted by jungleistmassiv
thanks for that mate! what are dead men sticks?
basically a couple of lengths of door stop or even skirting will do.

cut to the height of the celing.

i use them when tacking buy my self but can also be a god send/life saver with 2 of u.

push the board above ur head and push up into position, as you do this use a dead man on the far end.

hold it to touch board and kick bottom end into floor with foot.

then use the second on on the other side.

then u can get some screws in to fix it.

so you basically creating 2 wedges between the floor and celing enabling you to fix the board.

tips

check the floor and celing are level. if not start at the high end and shorten dead men as u go.

kick the dead men facing out both ways, if you kick them the same way they will slip and fall.

get a belt/pouch to hold drill and screws.
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ah right cheers for that mate!! I have had a couple of mates offer to help, so i'll see how we get on. Blimey, this is getting technical
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Originally Posted by jungleistmassiv
ah right cheers for that mate!! I have had a couple of mates offer to help, so i'll see how we get on. Blimey, this is getting technical
in my experience 2 dead men are often quicker than 3 mates

beauty of the dead men is constant pressure!
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is it a flat roof or a pitched roof?

if pitched why not floor-board it on top, then it gives you storage space, then just paint the underside of the floorboards white.
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i did think of that, but the roof space is nowhere near big enough for anything, as i said i still have a completely empty loft in the house for storage
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