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Old 24-05-2008 | 12:01 PM
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My dad bought some reproduction plaster ceiling roses for the house last year, and being the lazy man that he is has never got them put up, theyre not the flimsy polystyrene ones theyre proper plaster ones, and not exactly lightweight, how would we go about fixing them to the ceiling? I am intending on doing all the things he hasnt got round to, and trying to replace as many of the original features that we can

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Old 24-05-2008 | 12:16 PM
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first of all is it a ground or intermediate or top floor ceiling the options are different


top floor ceiling

drill a few small holes tru the moulding and counter sink it,insert or put a bit of plywood in the roofspace side of the ceiling,put some plaster adhesive on the moulding and screw the moulding up through the ceiling and the ply and let it set,fill in the holles and sand down


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same except use toggle bolts or plastic plasterboard fixings
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Originally Posted by capri280
first of all is it a ground or intermediate or top floor ceiling the options are different


top floor ceiling

drill a few small holes tru the moulding and counter sink it,insert or put a bit of plywood in the roofspace side of the ceiling,put some plaster adhesive on the moulding and screw the moulding up through the ceiling and the ply and let it set,fill in the holles and sand down


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same except use toggle bolts or plastic plasterboard fixings
Ground floor ceiling it is sorry
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the thought had crossed my mind, but standing there for 20mins holding the bugger up while it goes " off " isnt my idea of fun

that and i dont want it to fall off and kill one of the kids when theyre sat on the rug
Old 24-05-2008 | 01:36 PM
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drill a few small holes tru the moulding and counter sink it,insert or put a bit of plywood in the roofspace side of the ceiling,put some plaster adhesive on the moulding and screw the moulding up through the ceiling and the ply and let it set,fill in the holles and sand down


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same except use toggle bolts or plastic plasterboard fixings

As above. I'd use plasterboard adhesive and a couple of screws, obviously don't over tighten them. Have the ceilings been under boarded with plasterboard? I wouldn't recommend corkscrew fixings if its still the old lathe and plaster. You might be lucky and find a floor joist to screw into.
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As above. I'd use plasterboard adhesive and a couple of screws, obviously don't over tighten them. Have the ceilings been under boarded with plasterboard? I wouldn't recommend corkscrew fixings if its still the old lathe and plaster. You might be lucky and find a floor joist to screw into.
afaik theyre the original ceilings i honestly have no idea, its got the original plaster cornice coving stuff so i cant see it having had new ceilings?
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yes plasters usually just glue them, prop some wood under it whilst it dries. Also if its 400mm cross you almost certainly will have a joist above so pop a couple of screws into that.
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how will i know if theres a joist and what does 400mm cross mean

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will be a joist very close to were the orignal light fitting is, stick it then put some drywall screws in to joist safe as houses 10 min job
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fix it to the floor and place huge mirrors on the ceiling.....it'll be awesome!!
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Originally Posted by Dicko&Sarah
how will i know if theres a joist and what does 400mm cross mean

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I think he means if the diameter of the ceiling rose is 400mm, I then presume the spacing of joists should be every 400mm, but that might be right for a new house but probably not how your house is built if its an old house.
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its a huge rose, much bigger than 400mm its got 2 sections, inner bit then outer bit, id say maybe 800mm ish maybe a bit bigger
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
fix it to the floor and place huge mirrors on the ceiling.....it'll be awesome!!
yeah, i can imagine finley would love that
Old 03-06-2008 | 03:17 PM
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sounds similar to one i done last year,about 1200mm with an outer rings.get it all marked out,find the joists,drill and counter sink your holes in the plaster,be very careful as it cracks easily,i put mine up dry,just the screws holding it.make sure you have enough flex for the light fitting too,and if changing to a bigger heavier fitting make sure you have somewhere for it to screw or bolt too.the outer ring was a pig as by that time my neck was aching.looked great when i'd painted it all
i done mine off a tower,and that was difficult enough .

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Originally Posted by morcheen
sounds similar to one i done last year,about 1200mm with an outer rings.get it all marked out,find the joists,drill and counter sink your holes in the plaster,be very careful as it cracks easily,i put mine up dry,just the screws holding it.make sure you have enough flex for the light fitting too.the outer ring was a pig as by that time my neck was aching.looked great when i'd painted it all
im gonna have a go, ill have to get someone to help me ( Lee doesnt like DIY ) but i reckon i can manage it, only bit im scared of is drilling it incase i break it
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stick it in the bin, only place for it!
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Originally Posted by Lee Ivatt
stick it in the bin, only place for it!
yeah, cheers
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Originally Posted by Dicko&Sarah
yeah, cheers
sorry just think theyre awful!

i had a customer once wanted one in the lounge to cover up a hole. i convinced her id rether plaster the whole celling than put up one of them.
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Originally Posted by Lee Ivatt
sorry just think theyre awful!

i had a customer once wanted one in the lounge to cover up a hole. i convinced her id rether plaster the whole celling than put up one of them.
its not a big floral effect its in keeping with the rest of the original features

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Originally Posted by Dicko&Sarah
its not a big floral effect its in keeping with the rest of the original features

ok u got me on the old original features card.
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Originally Posted by Lee Ivatt
ok u got me on the old original features card.

ha thanks!

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get yourself a more practical man and ask him to do it clearly the one you have is either useless or lazy but you love him
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get yourself a bag of drywall it sets like rock and wont go anywhere mate
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Originally Posted by Mitsy FQ
get yourself a more practical man and ask him to do it clearly the one you have is either useless or lazy but you love him
everything he has put up has fallen down, i dont want to take the risk with a ceiling rose
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Originally Posted by stuart1
get yourself a bag of drywall it sets like rock and wont go anywhere mate
where will i get that and what is it, like plaster?
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just go to travis perkins or jewsons,it easy just mix it with water and its ready
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give monty a ring for some window glue he has loads & has used it on alsorts
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