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21-05-2008, 10:33 PM
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There's probably a good chance that our life styles will become similar to before the "oil revolution" in the 50's, as without crude oil we simply cannot sustain our current infrastructure, whereas small self sufficient communities will probably survive.
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21-05-2008, 10:36 PM
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21-05-2008, 10:36 PM
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Complaining or protesting about fuel price increasing is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME as it is inevitable due to our natural oil reserves running out, and the EVER increasing demand due to countries like China developing so quickly.
The reason fuel is so dear is due to crude oil supply issues. In approximately 2006 we passed a critical limit called "peak oil." This is the point at which worldwide demand for oil passed the ever decreasing pumping capacity of our natural oil reserves.
What will happen now, is that as the deficit in supply against demand grows ever bigger the price of crude oil will escalate to a never before seen level!
This means we now have hugely escalating fuel prices at the pump. Diesel is forecast to be Ł1.50 a litre in the next year.
Lastly to give you the real worrying reality, is that within 10 years our oil dependant lives will have to change dramatically as the demand to supply ratio will be critical! This means the way each and every one of us lives is going to change, like it or not!! You may be worrying about fuel prices now, but soon it will effect everything our lives are built around as EVERYTHING is based on the oil industry in one way or another. It is definately the end of our society as we know it and the dawn of a new era, which I have to say worries me hughly as I really have no idea what to expect.
The reason fuel is so dear is due to crude oil supply issues. In approximately 2006 we passed a critical limit called "peak oil." This is the point at which worldwide demand for oil passed the ever decreasing pumping capacity of our natural oil reserves.
What will happen now, is that as the deficit in supply against demand grows ever bigger the price of crude oil will escalate to a never before seen level!
This means we now have hugely escalating fuel prices at the pump. Diesel is forecast to be Ł1.50 a litre in the next year.
Lastly to give you the real worrying reality, is that within 10 years our oil dependant lives will have to change dramatically as the demand to supply ratio will be critical! This means the way each and every one of us lives is going to change, like it or not!! You may be worrying about fuel prices now, but soon it will effect everything our lives are built around as EVERYTHING is based on the oil industry in one way or another. It is definately the end of our society as we know it and the dawn of a new era, which I have to say worries me hughly as I really have no idea what to expect.
At best WW3,at worst armageddon,this is where the BIG BOYS will start flexing there
muscles as control over the last of the worlds oil becomes critical.
If you ever thought that iraq was anything to do with saddam,and not all to do with oil,
you were sadly mistaken,
puddy
ps. ever wish you hadn't brought kids in to this world ?
21-05-2008, 10:38 PM
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you are dependant on oil, you arent looking far enough.
I used to be in that industry, programming the big scada systems that control the distribution, i worked for three valleys water, thames water, and a few others, and trust me your infractstructure is VERY dependant on oil!
How do you get all the cleaning agents to the sewage farms, how do you lay water pipes, how do you pump from reservoirs? How do the people get to work at remote locations etc?
Its ALL about oil if you think about it mate!
21-05-2008, 10:39 PM
#46
My exact thoughts for a long time.
At best WW3,at worst armageddon,this is where the BIG BOYS will start flexing there
muscles as control over the last of the worlds oil becomes critical.
If you ever thought that iraq was anything to do with saddam,and not all to do with oil,
you were sadly mistaken,
puddy
ps. ever wish you hadn't brought kids in to this world ?
At best WW3,at worst armageddon,this is where the BIG BOYS will start flexing there
muscles as control over the last of the worlds oil becomes critical.
If you ever thought that iraq was anything to do with saddam,and not all to do with oil,
you were sadly mistaken,
puddy
ps. ever wish you hadn't brought kids in to this world ?
Currently prices are high cause we are trying to fight against developing nations for oil supplies.
Wait till its america and germany we are trying to outbid on the world stage to get whats left of the oil!
This WILL happen in our lifetime I reckon!
21-05-2008, 10:41 PM
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ie - we are all screwed unless we pack up and create a new civilisation on mars.
sorry - i just thought all this talk about non-survival of the human race, (and even worse - the internal combustion engine) was rather depressing..
sorry - i just thought all this talk about non-survival of the human race, (and even worse - the internal combustion engine) was rather depressing..
21-05-2008, 10:42 PM
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you are dependant on oil, you arent looking far enough.
I used to be in that industry, programming the big scada systems that control the distribution, i worked for three valleys water, thames water, and a few others, and trust me your infractstructure is VERY dependant on oil!
How do you get all the cleaning agents to the sewage farms, how do you lay water pipes, how do you pump from reservoirs? How do the people get to work at remote locations etc?
Its ALL about oil if you think about it mate!
I used to be in that industry, programming the big scada systems that control the distribution, i worked for three valleys water, thames water, and a few others, and trust me your infractstructure is VERY dependant on oil!
How do you get all the cleaning agents to the sewage farms, how do you lay water pipes, how do you pump from reservoirs? How do the people get to work at remote locations etc?
Its ALL about oil if you think about it mate!
I actually don't work for a water company as such, i work for a consultancy firm....we're always looking to do new things though, so who knows, i might be working on Mars in a few years time
21-05-2008, 10:44 PM
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21-05-2008, 10:47 PM
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The problems go beyond lack of oil reserves, to general lack of energy worldwide to support our infrastructure. It is predicted that slowly but surely we will start to have black out's and eventually total power failure on an international scale. I suspect the government will push sustainable energy such as personal wind turbines on us in the next decade or two.
21-05-2008, 10:48 PM
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The problems go beyond lack of oil reserves, to general lack of energy worldwide to support our infrastructure. It is predicted that slowly but surely we will start to have black out's and eventually total power failure on an international scale. I suspect the government will push sustainable energy such as personal wind turbines on us in the next decade or two.
21-05-2008, 10:49 PM
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21-05-2008, 10:49 PM
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Indeed I think you are right, I just cannot forsee how we can sustain our global energy requirements from nuclear power...................the consequences outweigh the short term energy solution.
21-05-2008, 10:51 PM
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That would be very straightforward to have in a factory, and use it as a "prime mover" like we used to with water mills or sometimes do now with enormous diesel engines.
The potential dangers though of these sort of mini reactors being run to a cost not a standard, is fucking terrifying of course!
21-05-2008, 10:57 PM
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Or how about the YTS/work experience spotty teen being given the shit job of looking after the nuclear reactor in the back of the factory unit, Chernobyl on every industrial estate!
21-05-2008, 11:01 PM
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Still, maybe my salavation is I have family who run a farm in the cyprus hills and are self sufficient with their own crops, animals, power, etc...............I best go pack my bags before we have no fuel to fly there!
21-05-2008, 11:02 PM
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do it!!! i have Ł10k for your 3dr to help you on your way
21-05-2008, 11:03 PM
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Sadly Karl, as we both realise, when the shit hits the fan, who "owns" something on paper will have nothing to do with who owns it shortly afterwards, that will be whoever has the resources to dictate that they own it, through military might, so if you havent got a dozen family members with machine guns, someone who has will own your farm instead, except they wont run it, they will just run through it, ransack it like locusts, and move onto the next one, but I dont need to tell you that as you have seen madmax too, lol
21-05-2008, 11:06 PM
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All the big supermarkets will be closed down when they cant get the goods to the stores, and the small town/village shop selling locally produced goods will replace it, shame that!!
21-05-2008, 11:13 PM
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i cant wait for the end to industrial revolution..
no more having to get out of bed to work,, fantastic.....
nothing has any value,,, everyone is technically equal,
and humans can then evolve, to the next revolution, its a bout time we as humans
stopped trying to make big wads of cash, and instead help each other to cure disease and the problems on our world,,, and then to explore other planets and space
theres a guy on youtube, who was exiled to america,, he invented a oil-less pump for
pumping water,, the kjb stole his plans and ideas, used them for themselves and sent him packing to another country..
He started to make a oil-less engine,, which consisted of a sphere, design..
heres a link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6C6...eature=related
no more having to get out of bed to work,, fantastic.....
nothing has any value,,, everyone is technically equal,
and humans can then evolve, to the next revolution, its a bout time we as humans
stopped trying to make big wads of cash, and instead help each other to cure disease and the problems on our world,,, and then to explore other planets and space
theres a guy on youtube, who was exiled to america,, he invented a oil-less pump for
pumping water,, the kjb stole his plans and ideas, used them for themselves and sent him packing to another country..
He started to make a oil-less engine,, which consisted of a sphere, design..
heres a link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6C6...eature=related
21-05-2008, 11:18 PM
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yer i know i totally agree with u,, unfortunately ur 100% right its a horrible feeling isnt it.,,,,
the funniest thing is ,, i have this vision where in the very very far future people look back at our history,,, (that is if humans still exist)).
and they look back at us and think haaaa suckers they had to work to live..
gutted
the funniest thing is ,, i have this vision where in the very very far future people look back at our history,,, (that is if humans still exist)).
and they look back at us and think haaaa suckers they had to work to live..
gutted
21-05-2008, 11:20 PM
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yer i know i totally agree with u,, unfortunately ur 100% right its a horrible feeling isnt it.,,,,
the funniest thing is ,, i have this vision where in the very very far future people look back at our history,,, (that is if humans still exist)).
and they look back at us and think haaaa suckers they had to work to live..
gutted
the funniest thing is ,, i have this vision where in the very very far future people look back at our history,,, (that is if humans still exist)).
and they look back at us and think haaaa suckers they had to work to live..
gutted
Mankind will wipe itself out down to the last few members, then they will pull together finally and start again and survive and learn from this time, thats my most optimistic prediction, im not sure if they can do it on whats left of this planet after a nuclear war though!
21-05-2008, 11:23 PM
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crime would go through the roof if no one worked
nothing would be made because no fuckers there to make anything
mad max it would be
nothing would be made because no fuckers there to make anything
mad max it would be
21-05-2008, 11:36 PM
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This folks is the problem, see how oil supply peaked and fell in 2005. However demand is increasing as supply decreases meaning an exponentially growing problem!!! The end is surely near!
22-05-2008, 12:12 AM
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think its all a bit ott, at the end of the day the only reason we're not using alturnative fuels in the mainstream is down to one reason, money. production of oil and petrol engines etc are cheap because the infrastructure is in place to mass produce them cheaply, due to it being in demand for so long.
fact, we have the technology to build "green" engines but its not cost effective for industries to mass produce them due to the massive demand on oil dependant goods (bigger profits to be made).
if they was to say tomorrow "right, no more oil its all gone" it would be in the best interest of the TRILLION ŁŁŁ industires that create what we all use everyday, to switch to producing a product that uses a alternative source of energy,putting into place the infrastructure to build these "green" engines cheaply. as long as that pressures not there,their not going to lose billions and billions in switching over because lets face it, in business, since when did the greater good be anywhere near relevant priority.
yes theyre would be a HUGE economic change in the world but you've only got to look at how the world changed from steam to petrol power to see that it is possible for the world to switch to a better more economical source of fuel.
fact, we have the technology to build "green" engines but its not cost effective for industries to mass produce them due to the massive demand on oil dependant goods (bigger profits to be made).
if they was to say tomorrow "right, no more oil its all gone" it would be in the best interest of the TRILLION ŁŁŁ industires that create what we all use everyday, to switch to producing a product that uses a alternative source of energy,putting into place the infrastructure to build these "green" engines cheaply. as long as that pressures not there,their not going to lose billions and billions in switching over because lets face it, in business, since when did the greater good be anywhere near relevant priority.
yes theyre would be a HUGE economic change in the world but you've only got to look at how the world changed from steam to petrol power to see that it is possible for the world to switch to a better more economical source of fuel.
22-05-2008, 12:30 AM
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Just one question... If all these higher petrol prices are because of lower resources. Why has the oil companies (BP and Shell iirc) currently running at record breaking profits??
22-05-2008, 09:46 AM
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The fuel/oil crisis is such a serious issue, that I do not see myself working in the automotive industry in 10 years time. Every year that goes by now, I keep thinking I will shut down business and change career. For sure it is going to happen in the near future, I just don't know the correct time to get out of the industry before it totally collapses.
as for oil supply going down - there is plenty out there still. it just becomes more difficult (and hence costly) to get it. supply can match demand - at a high price.
we can't blame anyone else for it - it was us that started the industrial revolution
i'm going to buy a house with lots of land to become self sufficient.
as for not buying fuel from one company, it won't make a shit's worth of difference to them. their forecourt income is a very small proportion of their income, most of which comes from the actual 'getting of the oil out of the ground' (i'm sure there's a proper word for it) and selling it. if they had no forecourt or distribution business, they would continue to sell it to those that do.
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Oh well lets just enjoy the moment and cross that bridge when it comes to it!!!!
22-05-2008, 02:41 PM
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