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Old 28-04-2008, 03:13 PM
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Default When is it time to say enough is enough??

After throwing upwads of 10k and countless man hours getting flithy, frustrated or driving to collect parts or services in the last 12months.
My saff coss is still being a shit.

After changing numerous inlet parts for a few hours yesterday to no avail , (I still have an idle/ALS problem which means I will have to spend more time and money having the fault fixed at a tuner at the other end of the country) I shut my bonnet with a little to much aggresion and smashed a headlight.

So when is enough just enough?
Old 28-04-2008, 03:22 PM
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whats up with it mate, no idle at all? or irattic ?

bring it up if you want mate, and we can swap it with my ISCV if you want mate, as obviously its none to work.

headlight

as bad as me yesterday mate, went out for a quick blast to check the boost, and got a fucking stop chip on the window
Old 28-04-2008, 03:24 PM
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als and idle problems are normal unless you are using the msd als program as it retains the std iscv.
Old 28-04-2008, 03:27 PM
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I thought ALS based cars had erratic idle until warm anyway, mine most certainly does.
I believe its because of the modifications you have to do in most cases
Old 28-04-2008, 03:27 PM
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sorry but the problem with cosworths to many diy jobs

I mean if you bought a brand new evo working 200% spot on do you think you could strip all the engine down then rebuild it and it would be as good as it was before from the factory built from you little garage

ps im talking in general
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Originally Posted by Ima Racing
als and idle problems are normal unless you are using the msd als program as it retains the std iscv.
I'm running a msd setup, but its sat at 3-4k. with iscv pluged in.
Old 28-04-2008, 03:30 PM
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did you drive up there mate and get it all sorted ? or was the chip and parts sent down?
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Originally Posted by Ryan
whats up with it mate, no idle at all? or irattic ?

bring it up if you want mate, and we can swap it with my ISCV if you want mate, as obviously its none to work.

headlight

as bad as me yesterday mate, went out for a quick blast to check the boost, and got a fucking stop chip on the window
Did it all yesterday swaped over iscv's, pfo9 and throttle body.

New windscreen for you then mr. bufty???
Old 28-04-2008, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by loader5710

So when is enough just enough?
er 10k ago...
Old 28-04-2008, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ima Racing
als and idle problems are normal unless you are using the msd als program as it retains the std iscv.
He is using mine mate. He got a wierd high idle problem after picking it up and this normally means 1 of 2 things.

1) Your using a modded throttle body that has been bored out too far and teh ISCV wont seal.

2) The ECU is driving teh valve as it thinks the throttle is open when its not.

Its "Normally" one of the 2.
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Have you changed the idle valve and checked it has power to it?

Have you checked your TPS is working properly? 0-5v.

If you have no air leaks then it can only be the chip keeping the valve open at the wrong time? Which would be strange as by the sounds of it stu doesn't normally make that kind of mistake.
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All was done at Msd, with live map.
I very much doubt its a error by msd. top fellas.
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looks like there were 3 more people that can type quiker than me! doh
Old 28-04-2008, 03:38 PM
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Got to be an air leak then.

Do you have a compressor that you can use to pressurise your system and then put a bit of fairy liquig in a squirty bottle and squirt round all joints / fittongs / gaskets etc.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
He is using mine mate. He got a wierd high idle problem after picking it up and this normally means 1 of 2 things.

1) Your using a modded throttle body that has been bored out too far and teh ISCV wont seal.

2) The ECU is driving teh valve as it thinks the throttle is open when its not.

Its "Normally" one of the 2.

I've got one more throttle body comming to try, then its a call to you guys again I think.
cheers.
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as stu has said is the deffo set up correctly? i.e not part open when the throttle is shut.
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Originally Posted by Garage19
Got to be an air leak then.

Do you have a compressor that you can use to pressurise your system and then put a bit of fairy liquig in a squirty bottle and squirt round all joints / fittongs / gaskets etc.
Done mate.
Old 28-04-2008, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
as stu has said is the deffo set up correctly? i.e not part open when the throttle is shut.
Checked the tps then tryed fitting a new one , if thats what you mean.
Old 28-04-2008, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Garage19
If you have no air leaks then it can only be the chip keeping the valve open at the wrong time? Which would be strange as by the sounds of it stu doesn't normally make that kind of mistake.
Agreed, however, it worked all the way home and while we had it, although once we had a high idle and couldnt trace it, then it dissapeared when we changed the idle valve so we presumed it was that, so we know its not the software. All very odd and bad news for Nick sadly.
Old 28-04-2008, 03:45 PM
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yeah basically to check the voltage/resistance readings to check the throttle position is correct when the throttle is shut.
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Originally Posted by Ryan
yeah basically to check the voltage/resistance readings to check the throttle position is correct when the throttle is shut.
Would it not show wrong on my secs monitor if it was??
Old 28-04-2008, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Agreed, however, it worked all the way home and while we had it, although once we had a high idle and couldnt trace it, then it dissapeared when we changed the idle valve so we presumed it was that, so we know its not the software. All very odd and bad news for Nick sadly.
Would IAW Monitor show the fault Stu ?
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Originally Posted by B9KOS
Would IAW Monitor show the fault Stu ?
Dan told me you had one of these, could be bringin the saff to pick up that cage then???
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Originally Posted by loader5710
Dan told me you had one of these, could be bringin the saff to pick up that cage then???

Or i can come your way mate I have some parts to collect from Ryan, Matcos, RobbieG, Jaycos so need to come your way soon Will ask Trev later where the laptop is
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Originally Posted by B9KOS
Or i can come your way mate I have some parts to collect from Ryan, Matcos, RobbieG, Jaycos so need to come your way soon Will ask Trev later where the laptop is
Just let me know what beers you drink.
Old 28-04-2008, 04:07 PM
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yeah it would mate, forgot you had a monitor.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Agreed, however, it worked all the way home and while we had it, although once we had a high idle and couldnt trace it, then it dissapeared when we changed the idle valve so we presumed it was that, so we know its not the software. All very odd and bad news for Nick sadly.
My money is on some sort of air leak if its changable. Some air leaks air leaks only appear once the engine is hot and some only under certain vacum conditions.
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Originally Posted by B9KOS
Would IAW Monitor show the fault Stu ?
In Theory, yes. In reality, no, not always. Ive seen various resistance problems cause this problem and in some cases had to fit a ballast resistor into the ISCV power supply to cure it.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
In Theory, yes. In reality, no, not always. Ive seen various resistance problems cause this problem and in some cases had to fit a ballast resistor into the ISCV power supply to cure it.
Do you think this fault could be cured in a day in reality?
I realise this could be askin the length of a piece string.
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Originally Posted by loader5710
I realise this could be askin the length of a piece string.

How long is a... oh? you pre empted that one.
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i got ballast resistor here if needed mate.

just let me know, you could pop up here when richie is coming down there get the IAW and also some tests on it to see if we can sort it,
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
How long is a... oh? you pre empted that one.
Though so.
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Originally Posted by Ryan
i got ballast resistor here if needed mate.

just let me know, you could pop up here when richie is coming down there get the IAW and also some tests on it to see if we can sort it,
Got one more throttle body and iscv(both mountune) to try.
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Originally Posted by Ryan
i got ballast resistor here if needed mate.

just let me know, you could pop up here when richie is coming down there get the IAW and also some tests on it to see if we can sort it,
We'll get the bully boy Saffs to beat up your bufty 3 door
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Originally Posted by B9KOS
We'll get the bully boy Saffs to beat up your bufty 3 door
lol
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Originally Posted by loader5710
lol

Yours can spit flames at it


Well maybe



Sorry Back on topic.
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Originally Posted by B9KOS
Yours can spit flames at it


Well maybe



Sorry Back on topic.
Only if its fixed, or it will just anoy it with its high revving.
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Tremona in Soton no good, before trekking across country?
Just thinking to save money, and see you're local.
Not read whole thread though...
All the best with it.
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probably spit oil

and yours can spit gearbox teeth




i'll run for cover now


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