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Old 07-04-2008 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Im not convinced an RS500 cooler is actually worse than the pro-alloy etc ones everyone seems to be running now, they were VERY well designed originally IMHO, in fact, isnt Rod still on one?
a 3' Mongoose is certainly ALOT more restrictive than the exhaust Martins car was dyno'd with and we all know change these at power levels much over 550bhp as they are known to restict...

Martoons Millington lump was well under 600bhp in car... I'm sure he will agree
Old 07-04-2008 | 05:21 PM
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Blimey, looks fast.. is that smoke the breather working overtime ?
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Originally Posted by Porkie
I heard a rumour once that NOS is quite cold
Very mate, but Rods done over 200mph without injecting any, which means his intercooler alone was delivering the goods.

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I ran them back to back. I had HUGE charge temp problems on a Standard Behr RS500 cooler on track and on Topspeed Runs. Tried a standard ProAlloy and in was slightly better but still not upto the job.

The Jumbo ProAlloy one I have is man enough and keeps ACT's low enough to not have problems
Bear in mind condition plays a part too and a lot of these 500 ones now are past their best, but good to hear the jumbo pro alloy jobs are so good.
Dave was obviously running his 35 very very hard, so it probably makes the cooler look a lot less efficient at first glance than it really was, as Id probably be shocked if I new the PRE IC temps, so maybe im underestimating how much good it was still doing
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It does show that Martin's Millington engine was pretty good then, as it shouldn't by your calcs have been able to do 194.7mph with a mere 627bhp on race fuel.... . Just goes to show how gearing and weight can play a part, as Martin's old Escort was only 1250kg, but he had the 6-speed R&D dogbox.

With all the Data I have there are 3 runs only that I say are near that elusive 'optimum'.
Dave Moss 178.5mph with 440bhp
Mark Snead 183.2mph with 480bhp
Martin Hadland 194.7 with 590bhp

Put Daves data in & ask what will 194.7 take & it says 595bhp so I guess these 2 runs are the nearest to 'optimum' that ive seen.

Its why I always run 'overloaded' with Power it allows leeway on finding that 'sweet spot'.
Find 'optimum & mine will pull 220mph with 980bhp but with only 5speeds I cant even get close to that, mine will never go past 215mph be assured.

My advice is if you want to do 200mph & be sure to do it first run, go with 740bhp & its yours.

Mike my Saff went 2.3mph faster than yours with 30 less bhp because mine was very near 'optimum' & yours was not, I trust you will agree with that, there is more to this than just Power.
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Originally Posted by Porkie
a 3' Mongoose is certainly ALOT more restrictive than the exhaust Martins car was dyno'd with and we all know change these at power levels much over 550bhp as they are known to restict...

Martoons Millington lump was well under 600bhp in car... I'm sure he will agree
Same with mine on the first 200mph run only had a restrictive 3" exhaust so not the Power we thought at the time. Think we claimed 760bhp but with that exhaust 720 tops.
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Originally Posted by MadRod

Put Daves data in & ask what will 194.7 take & it says 595bhp so I guess these 2 runs are the nearest to 'optimum' that ive seen.



I agree with what you are saying about the optimum thing as well... as if I didn't know it was true and you old me a 440bhp Escos pulled 178mph at Brunters I would call you a liar!

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Old 07-04-2008 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Very mate, but Rods done over 200mph without injecting any, which means his intercooler alone was delivering the goods.
I use an orginal RS500 Intercooler with methanol injection it works & will not change.
Then again im still on a spaced RS500 inlet & that dont work past 570bhp .
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ROD: out of interest, what factors does your formula' take into account??
that you use to estimate what things are gonna achieve

BHP?+torque? what else?


Thanks!
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[QUOTE=Bullett;3212411]pics and vids are spot on dave.car sounds stunning mate.exhaust,engine and gearbox

Vids are great, the sound on Launch is good.

how many silencers or none at all?
Old 07-04-2008 | 07:22 PM
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[QUOTE=MAD YUM;3214274]
Originally Posted by kennyA



Just a rear one
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Old 07-04-2008 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Tim.. Achieving 200 in a set distance is hard... Car or bike!!
Yes it can be hard
Some american do 229 mph in a standing mile.
Current record holder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv5HsmKQw9E 229 mile run
Here some examples
The porsche went 226,18 mph in standing mile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hUi2H4Ejn0
200 mph is so 1990
The standing mile is the real benchmark now

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So his top speed was 194.7?

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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Just found the hose was lose to the boost controller so there is a reason for only 2.3 bar
..surely thats such an amateur mistake?

...194.7 was not bad considering the weight
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Originally Posted by Ima Racing
..surely thats such an amateur mistake?

...194.7 was not bad considering the weight
You're such an arse hole...
Old 07-04-2008 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Amateur? what compaired to you?


Go and find another thread so someone can find you intresting
......you think i'd drive my car at an event that i had fiddled with?
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Originally Posted by Benni
So his top speed was 194.7?

Benni.


Martins old car was yes.

Dave's speed wasnt though.
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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Who cares? You dont go out do you?


Go back to the Muppet room where you belong
..no i never go out i am a hermit...so me fucking up my car dont matter...you..well what else you not done right?...Its your life i am concerned about..be safe..check everything before attempting a top speed run..a sober co pilot would help..i do hope Chip was NOT drinking pre run..or did he realise you had fddled with the car?

Be safe.
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Originally Posted by Ima Racing
..no i never go out i am a hermit...so me fucking up my car dont matter...you..well what else you not done right?...Its your life i am concerned about..be safe..check everything before attempting a top speed run..a sober co pilot would help..i do hope Chip was NOT drinking pre run..or did he realise you had fddled with the car?

Be safe.

Phil I was properly pissed mate, I had a WHOLE bottle of stella, I was falling over and everything
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Yum block me then you need never mention muppet room again..LOL
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now now children!

Phil.... just leave dave be and let him get on with his thread.....
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I dont remember any verified non nos runs for rods car over 200? E.g. bottle taken out and sitting on the tarmac etc. I know the car was supposed to have gone over 200 without the nos on or when they thought it had run out etc but that is not quite the same thing? It was always destined to go nostastic and did a good job of it, but am dubious of the boost only thing. Where was it reported/witnessed/verified?
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Originally Posted by dumped
I dont remember any verified non nos runs for rods car over 200? E.g. bottle taken out and sitting on the tarmac etc. I know the car was supposed to have gone over 200 without the nos on or when they thought it had run out etc but that is not quite the same thing? It was always destined to go nostastic and did a good job of it, but am dubious of the boost only thing. Where was it reported/witnessed/verified?
Dumped, wasnt witnessed and written up by a magazine, apologies if you thought I was implying it was, I was just talking about happening in reality, not about what was printed or not.
Thats just what it did, thats all.
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so whens pf mag out then so we can all see?
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Originally Posted by dumped
I dont remember any verified non nos runs for rods car over 200? E.g. bottle taken out and sitting on the tarmac etc. I know the car was supposed to have gone over 200 without the nos on or when they thought it had run out etc but that is not quite the same thing? It was always destined to go nostastic and did a good job of it, but am dubious of the boost only thing. Where was it reported/witnessed/verified?

Dont lose too much sleep over it pal. We will be attempting to beat the 206 record off the gas before too long. Its such a shame people dont understand just how fast my car is. The 5th gear run in the wet used only 4 secs of gas & was a 212 run in the dry. We also did 199.6 that day off gas in the wet, keep clutching too those straws.
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I would like to take my car to brunters to see what top speed i can achieve. See what a normal (not mega money) old skool set-up can do
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Originally Posted by MadRod
Its such a shame people dont understand just how fast my car is. .
well i could take pics of my pants i wore that night i went out in it
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
I would like to take my car to brunters to see what top speed i can achieve. See what a normal (not mega money) old skool set-up can do

Rich mabeymight be a grin to get a few smaller budget cars up there
Old 08-04-2008 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MadRod
Mike my Saff went 2.3mph faster than yours with 30 less bhp because mine was very near 'optimum' & yours was not, I trust you will agree with that, there is more to this than just Power.
I agree, as in those days we were all learning, and I optimistically geared mine for 215mph at 8200rpm (3.36 final drive with 215/40 tyres), but it never even pulled 7000rpm (apart from on the road ) .

I really would have loved to have gone back with standard gearing, as in theory it should have pulled 187mph with that gearing and the correct tyres, as my engine only dropped 1.5bhp between 7000 and 7500, so was ideally set up for it . If only I knew then, what I know now .
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Well done Dave, i will look forward to reading it when the mag comes out.

Originally Posted by Jay.
Rich mabeymight be a grin to get a few smaller budget cars up there
I hit 6.3k rpm in 5th at Brunters with standard 2wd box/diff and 235/40/17 tyres. Then the front indicator made a break for freedom and i shit myself.
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Originally Posted by Jay.
Rich mabeymight be a grin to get a few smaller budget cars up there
Ive tried before, but it was too much work for the mags to make it happen will give it another crack though
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get the mags to do a feature on no cossie powered vehicles from the non rs/st range and see how popular it would be

at least you'll know how many others are out there with bonkers fords but not in the selected varieties few that grace the mags more often that not

(i must just say that i've been rooting through some old editions of performance ford and spotted them ding reviews on other markes of cards than just ford, they even did a write up on things such as the new e36 bmw and the lotus carlton, as well as telling us to expect a cosworth powered fiesta and a 4wd version of the orion)

but i think we should get back to bigging dave up for driving his car in a straight line really really fast and waiting for everyone to argue about how fast he should be compared to how fast he actually went and then having to wait till it comes out in the magazene

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Clutching at straws etc, that is not where I believe I am coming from. Its the comparison of proven facts much the same drum as you beat. You would be the first questioning peoples achievements/claims unless solidly backed up.

As I understood it the time you claimed to do 200 off gas was a run where the nos was installed and activated. A later look at the logs and discussion of pressure drop etc led it to be classed in your eyes as a non nos run even though it was on etc. I'm aware you will then cite facts of running rich, detrimental effects etc etc but as I was aware it was under these circumstances. Again I did not know of you doing any reported/witnessed non nos runs.

I still think you are utterly bananas for trying to push your engine as far as you are after the issue at brunters and then again on the dyno. But fair play if you hit your targets you deserve them.

I do not have any issue with mad etc and am very happy that dave has had some fun out of his car after the time and effort he has put into it. I also appreciate marks comments on anything as so few tuners are willing to be as open to the public.

This optimum run that is being spoken about. It seems more like tail wind.
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
I would like to take my car to brunters to see what top speed i can achieve. See what a normal (not mega money) old skool set-up can do

Just ring up and book then! Its not expensive to go for a hour!
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It is expensive if you want accurate speeds and not cossie speedo speed though surely?


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