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09-04-2008, 10:50 AM
#321
Thats a nonsense, we ALL (well those of us with a brain) realise that wind speed effects it, but if I go and run there and there is a fairly strong wind, what am I meant to do about, come back another day and pay again? Of course I wouldnt, Id just post my speed, thats all anyone can realistically do, its a flawed method, and there is NO point you trying to make it seem less so.
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you dont, thats the reality.
09-04-2008, 10:59 AM
#322
You are the one making claims that having a load of random folk stood there makes it somehow any better though Mike, not anyone else.
Thats a nonsense, we ALL (well those of us with a brain) realise that wind speed effects it, but if I go and run there and there is a fairly strong wind, what am I meant to do about, come back another day and pay again? Of course I wouldnt, Id just post my speed, thats all anyone can realistically do, its a flawed method, and there is NO point you trying to make it seem less so.
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you dont, thats the reality.
Thats a nonsense, we ALL (well those of us with a brain) realise that wind speed effects it, but if I go and run there and there is a fairly strong wind, what am I meant to do about, come back another day and pay again? Of course I wouldnt, Id just post my speed, thats all anyone can realistically do, its a flawed method, and there is NO point you trying to make it seem less so.
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you dont, thats the reality.
Chip you argumenative twat, please point out where I have said that makes it any better?
I am just stating WHAT HAPPENS after any runs - it is disected by all and sundry from the information provided (even if they weren't there
) and the run is either villified or accepted.I wasn't suggesting anything other than the only way to do it scientifically to prevent all the back-biting after such an event, would be the two-run way. However, I ALREADY stated the impracticalities / improbability of doing it this way.
You're basically either arguing with yourself or agreeing with me, and I don't know why
. I merely stated what happens and suggested a solution.
09-04-2008, 11:02 AM
#323
The reality is that weather is a case of luck (or planning maybe for the sneaky ones out there, lol) and you trying to dress it up as anything else, is pointless, none of the mags reporting on it contain testimonials from the onlookers in their tables, they just state the figure, so while at the time there might be some chat, that all disappears and only the speed remains.
Last edited by Chip; 09-04-2008 at 11:09 AM.
09-04-2008, 11:07 AM
#324
Testing the future
what have i started now?
as long as everybody sees it all as a bit of fun to compare their top speeds, then it's all good
if people are talking about it in very competitive terms, then it is clearly a nonsense
as long as everybody sees it all as a bit of fun to compare their top speeds, then it's all good
if people are talking about it in very competitive terms, then it is clearly a nonsense
09-04-2008, 11:12 AM
#327
Mike its that bit Im on about, "might not be", no it ISNT, no might about it, and the prescence of a few randomers doesnt change that.
The reality is that weather is a case of luck (or planning maybe for the sneaky ones out there, lol) and you trying to dress it up as anything else, is pointless, none of the mags reporting on it contain testimonials from the onlookers, they just state the figure, so while at the time there might be some chat, that all disappears and only the speed remains.
The reality is that weather is a case of luck (or planning maybe for the sneaky ones out there, lol) and you trying to dress it up as anything else, is pointless, none of the mags reporting on it contain testimonials from the onlookers, they just state the figure, so while at the time there might be some chat, that all disappears and only the speed remains.
Please also point out where I mentioned anything reported by the mags either
. I just stated it how it is on this BB. The conditions on the run are invariably discussed, the run is ALWAYS either accepted or villified by different parties and the weather conditions are either ignored by the numpties (or deliberately not taken into account by those that should know better). I ACCEPT THAT UNLESS THE TWO-WAY RUN IS ADOPTED, THEN THIS IS THE WAY IT WILL ALWAYS BE, I WAS JUST OFFERING AN IDEALISTIC SOLUTION AND SUGGESTING THAT WITHOUT THIS THE NUMBERS DON'T ALWAYS SHOW THE FULL POTENTIAL OF THE CAR.
I really do not understand your need for trying to turn it into something else
.
tut tut!
09-04-2008, 11:22 AM
#331
Ah well, so long as we have a process where based on a 3rd party who wasnt there hearing the unqualified opinion of a bloke who was there who thought it was windy to "vilify" the run, then it all sounds fine to me, no wonder you got upset at me pointing out maybe you were talking nonsense
I can only apologise for my interjections as a scientist when evidently its not about science its about forum politics instead
09-04-2008, 11:31 AM
#334
Ah well, so long as we have a process where based on a 3rd party who wasnt there hearing the unqualified opinion of a bloke who was there who thought it was windy to "vilify" the run, then it all sounds fine to me, no wonder you got upset at me pointing out maybe you were talking nonsense
I can only apologise for my interjections as a scientist when evidently its not about science its about forum politics instead
If you actually read my posts, I was suggesting a proper scientific way to prevent the back-biting that goes on
.
09-04-2008, 01:47 PM
#337
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lol, to blow more wind up mikes ass, the RST he mentioned went back with different power but also different gearing so again a flawed test as usual (owner is a homosexual and was too scared to rev it even when taunted by "friends" 
)..... but hey apples and oranges are all the same in many eyes lol
optimum run = as much tailwind as poss that does not hinder stopping at the other end...... lol
)..... but hey apples and oranges are all the same in many eyes lol optimum run = as much tailwind as poss that does not hinder stopping at the other end...... lol
09-04-2008, 08:56 PM
#339
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09-04-2008, 10:23 PM
#341
Just to confirm some of what mike and dumped are saying.
Day 1. 165bhp at wheels, rsturbo wheels with 195 tyres. Car accelerated really quickly and pulled up to 149.9 easily. Without doubt a better wind condition day. Would even suggest it was tail wind. I backed off with loads of distance to go as I had only just removed my rev limiter and it hadn't been trialed at really high rpm on the rollers. So I decided with a 130k mile bottom end to back off. No doubt car would have pulled a bit more. Personal Estimation 2-5 mph. Probably the lower side of that scale cos I appreciate how much distance is disappearing per second and the fact the car isn't really that quick accel at 150 already.
(6 months later or something) Day 2. 195 at the wheels, better cooling system too. I ran 16 inch mondeo wheels, i forget what people call them no, maybe they are SI wheels? Which increased the gearing quite a considerable bit as the car was still running the std 205 high sidewall mondeo tyres Car accelerated okay ish, conditions we without doubt head wind. ran 150.1. It took me to braking STUPIDLY late to get there. If I had lifted at the same place as my day1. run I wouldnt have got more than say 145.
More power, higher gearing, better cooling at the end of the runway, worse wind conditions by quite some margin, MUCH MUCH MUCH later braking, .2mph more lol
I personally think we should have a wind direction and speed measure at the crest of the hill. Mainly for interest. After all this entire subject is practically without rules, no regulations and just for fun really.
RW
Day 1. 165bhp at wheels, rsturbo wheels with 195 tyres. Car accelerated really quickly and pulled up to 149.9 easily. Without doubt a better wind condition day. Would even suggest it was tail wind. I backed off with loads of distance to go as I had only just removed my rev limiter and it hadn't been trialed at really high rpm on the rollers. So I decided with a 130k mile bottom end to back off. No doubt car would have pulled a bit more. Personal Estimation 2-5 mph. Probably the lower side of that scale cos I appreciate how much distance is disappearing per second and the fact the car isn't really that quick accel at 150 already.
(6 months later or something) Day 2. 195 at the wheels, better cooling system too. I ran 16 inch mondeo wheels, i forget what people call them no, maybe they are SI wheels? Which increased the gearing quite a considerable bit as the car was still running the std 205 high sidewall mondeo tyres Car accelerated okay ish, conditions we without doubt head wind. ran 150.1. It took me to braking STUPIDLY late to get there. If I had lifted at the same place as my day1. run I wouldnt have got more than say 145.
More power, higher gearing, better cooling at the end of the runway, worse wind conditions by quite some margin, MUCH MUCH MUCH later braking, .2mph more lol
I personally think we should have a wind direction and speed measure at the crest of the hill. Mainly for interest. After all this entire subject is practically without rules, no regulations and just for fun really.
RW
10-04-2008, 08:23 AM
#344
Just to confirm some of what mike and dumped are saying.
Day 1. 165bhp at wheels, rsturbo wheels with 195 tyres. Car accelerated really quickly and pulled up to 149.9 easily. Without doubt a better wind condition day. Would even suggest it was tail wind. I backed off with loads of distance to go as I had only just removed my rev limiter and it hadn't been trialed at really high rpm on the rollers. So I decided with a 130k mile bottom end to back off. No doubt car would have pulled a bit more. Personal Estimation 2-5 mph. Probably the lower side of that scale cos I appreciate how much distance is disappearing per second and the fact the car isn't really that quick accel at 150 already.
(6 months later or something) Day 2. 195 at the wheels, better cooling system too. I ran 16 inch mondeo wheels, i forget what people call them no, maybe they are SI wheels? Which increased the gearing quite a considerable bit as the car was still running the std 205 high sidewall mondeo tyres Car accelerated okay ish, conditions we without doubt head wind. ran 150.1. It took me to braking STUPIDLY late to get there. If I had lifted at the same place as my day1. run I wouldnt have got more than say 145.
More power, higher gearing, better cooling at the end of the runway, worse wind conditions by quite some margin, MUCH MUCH MUCH later braking, .2mph more lol
I personally think we should have a wind direction and speed measure at the crest of the hill. Mainly for interest. After all this entire subject is practically without rules, no regulations and just for fun really.
RW
Day 1. 165bhp at wheels, rsturbo wheels with 195 tyres. Car accelerated really quickly and pulled up to 149.9 easily. Without doubt a better wind condition day. Would even suggest it was tail wind. I backed off with loads of distance to go as I had only just removed my rev limiter and it hadn't been trialed at really high rpm on the rollers. So I decided with a 130k mile bottom end to back off. No doubt car would have pulled a bit more. Personal Estimation 2-5 mph. Probably the lower side of that scale cos I appreciate how much distance is disappearing per second and the fact the car isn't really that quick accel at 150 already.
(6 months later or something) Day 2. 195 at the wheels, better cooling system too. I ran 16 inch mondeo wheels, i forget what people call them no, maybe they are SI wheels? Which increased the gearing quite a considerable bit as the car was still running the std 205 high sidewall mondeo tyres Car accelerated okay ish, conditions we without doubt head wind. ran 150.1. It took me to braking STUPIDLY late to get there. If I had lifted at the same place as my day1. run I wouldnt have got more than say 145.
More power, higher gearing, better cooling at the end of the runway, worse wind conditions by quite some margin, MUCH MUCH MUCH later braking, .2mph more lol
I personally think we should have a wind direction and speed measure at the crest of the hill. Mainly for interest. After all this entire subject is practically without rules, no regulations and just for fun really.
RW
the point is that the top end you reached on the earlier was much closer to the "optimum" you could have seen for that power, on that day, with those conditions and that gearing
the second time you went back things were vastly different so you would have been further from your "optimum" point
it's like bing a sprinter and doing the 100 metres in a set of trainers you are comfortable with
if you then decided to do the 200 metres in different shoes you can't compare the end resluts between the two runs as you have changed the fudemental basics of what you were testing against
you haven't gone there with just more power, you've changed the gearing overall with the wheels and you've up'd the power to hope to try and compensate and you've gone there on a different day
if you had upped the power on the day, or had used the bigger wheels on the day then you would have had back to back comparisons of what youhad done, on the day in question
and that is why you need to get a whole load of cars together on the same day to test them against each other or else you will have someone claiming one thing and someone else claiming another
there are lots of other points raised as well, the main one being that you need a run the other way to "correct" the wind assistance, but i don't think you can realistically do that at brunters, or at any other runway for that matter (althoguh i stand to be corrected here) which plays right into the hands of those who say there should be a "standardised distance" brigade so you've got your mile one way and the other and everything is safe wihtout the requirements for having a passenger telling you when to brake
10-04-2008, 02:23 PM
#353
dojj - (double space d.o.j.j.)
also know as the department for juvinile justice (which i may or may not have been an unwiling participant in when i was younger) when you search on the internet
but yes, pronounced dodge, as in "dodgy solinoid" where it originated from (an old AA advert) or dodge as in maker of american motor vehicles with big engines and somewhat terrible (as described by top gears very own presenters) handling
i don't mind people calling me doowj, dooge, doji even as it's a much easier way of pronouncing my name than the real true method (everyone gets that wrong so i've had to adapt to answering to the incorrect pronounciation version)
hope that clears matters up for everyone who has shown an intrest
also know as the department for juvinile justice (which i may or may not have been an unwiling participant in when i was younger) when you search on the internet
but yes, pronounced dodge, as in "dodgy solinoid" where it originated from (an old AA advert) or dodge as in maker of american motor vehicles with big engines and somewhat terrible (as described by top gears very own presenters) handling
i don't mind people calling me doowj, dooge, doji even as it's a much easier way of pronouncing my name than the real true method (everyone gets that wrong so i've had to adapt to answering to the incorrect pronounciation version)
hope that clears matters up for everyone who has shown an intrest
11-04-2008, 10:20 AM
#356
There is a good chance this came lose after the lauches l did after the top speed runs.
It only controls boost nothing else and if it had been that lose there would of been no boost.
So get of my thread and go back to the Muppet room where you belong
And for the record the drinks didnt come out to the end of the day
It only controls boost nothing else and if it had been that lose there would of been no boost.
So get of my thread and go back to the Muppet room where you belong
And for the record the drinks didnt come out to the end of the day
- slut