Gotta agree with you. Not sure many people on this board have done a "genuine" 156mph. It is really fast. Especially when you take into consideration what Chip has said about not being able to see over the brow. And mentally you know you HAVE to deal with braking from serious speeds in time and not to mention all the other eventualities that run through your mind.......takes alot of guts.....

Alot of people don't realise what goes into these top speed runs, i take my hat off to all who give it a go

Fair play Dave and Helen

 

As I do know you well, I should have encouraged dave to take you up on your kind offer mate, but TBH I just assumed it was all sorted as they had the jeep and trailer so I didnt realise they would be short of space. Bit of miscomunication thats all.

 

You all are mad those vids really show how fast 160++ is
Doing 150mph in a cortina with the rear of the bonnet lifting was scary

You all have balls of steel inc Helen LOL

Well Done

Paul

 

no worries mate

 

156 in a car like YUM is so easy at brunters its unreal.

Helen...next time just dont look at speedo etc and you will be way past 156 before you even know it

 

My Escort did 191 with the WRC spoiler fitted but the downforce it creates is too much. Here's a shot of my car at about 130mph, look how low the back is!

 

What a LOAD of bollocks...

TOTAL bollocks....

you say 'track orrientated'... ER ITS A FUCKING RACING CAR YOU BELL END!!!

ITS NOT ROAD LEGAL!!!! So yes... it was pretty track orientated....

I've never seen anyone try and take anything away from Andy! He engineering and fabrication skills are amazing. His new car is just mind blowing!!! and he is a hell of a driver as well!

But how is he making a 'cunt' of people when he turned up with his car looking like Concorde... didn't do 200mph and blew his engine???

I can see you are Scottish so obviously completely blinkered and probably drunk so I will let you off

 

That tickled me

 

@ porkie

for baba


AG's car is fucking nuts, but the fact is it didnt have enough power, simple as that, even with the nosecone.


All this "its a track car" or "its a road car" or "its a top speed car" stuff that people go on about makes me chuckle, especially about Rod's car and Martins.
People say that Rod's is a top speed car, and martins isnt, but can anyone name me anything that Rod has done for top speed that martin hasnt, other than having more power than him?

As far as I can see to make a "top speed car" you would do:
Decent suspension to make it stable
Decent brakes to stop the fucking thing
HUGE power
Significant aerodynamic altertations (I dont mean a few bits of tape)


As far as I can see, the ONLY person who has ever run a cosworth powered "top speed" car is AG, his was the only one with specific mods (the cone) to it to make it perform in a way at brunters that it doesnt on the road or on a track.

And he STILL couldnt beat either Rods previous time or Martins new one, so I have to agree with Porkie, how the fuck do you think he made a cunt out of anyone by turning up, trying harder than any of them ever had in terms of altering the car for top speed runs, and STILL failing to match their figures? If anything he made Rod's 201 off gas and 206 on gas look even more impressive, and likewise Martin's 200!

 

LOL @ Porkie

 

LOL

 

lol@probably drunk

 

Just laughed out loud in the middle of the office after reading that

 

launch 3 the car sounded like a firework when the exhaust poped, more like banged..... awsome. loudest i've heard

that must have sounded fooking loud from inside the car and cool at the same time!!!!!!

 

You need to hear my mates VR6 its on a totally different level, worse still is he is going to market with it soon, so for a few hundred quid every saxo in town will be able to sound louder than daves does, popping and banging away before launching.

 

are we talking about the same noise? didn't mean the launch control popping but on launch 3 where he changes from 2nd to 3rd it was the loudest back fire i've heard....

so saxo's will now have fake launch control? please say no!!!

 

I have never once 'made a song and dance' about that. Nor do I intend to.

Look at the top right of the Fiesta feature.

Dave I was under the belief that we had a gentleman's agreement over not slating each others titles. Kindly deal with your own criticisms without trying to deflect them onto us.

 

Amazing, the only real bitchiness on this thread is between 2 magazines.

 

I'm happy to cover the cost of your next attempt, Dave. Would give me a chance to shoot the car for a feature at the same time

Maybe Rod would like to join in too? And Martoon might come out of retirement? And Mr. G might want another go in the Concord? That'd make a day to remember!

I have to say that our policy has always been to let vehicle owners tell whoever they like, as soon as they like, after our performance tests though - would that be a problem at all?

Renton

 

 

there you go lads, it will be the daddy of daddy thrashes

 

Get it done!

Congrats on whatever results you got Dave! AND Helen!

Glad everyone had a good day out!

 

From what I understand AG's car accelerated slower on it's run with the snowplow, it's just that he didn't brake so early (as the first run was a siting run, never having done a top speed run before). So he would have actually gone faster with the snowplow off the car? Can this be confirmed by overlaying the data for both runs?

 

You arent going to be able to draw meaningful conclusions from that data like that Mike, as the snowplough may have been part of the reason is accelerated slower lower down, but could have helped it up top.

 

I am positive that it will have slowed it down at the top end, but would like to see this confirmed with the data - perhaps Dave or Nick can oblige?

 

the way i've read it there is a gentlemans agrement that no one will "officially" publicise the resluts until they have been printed and distributed via the magazine

there seems to be some sort of safety issue that has come up from one of the peole who were at the day but other than that nothing else from what i can read

i will however ask about another event that was highly publicised and then there was a big hoo haa about the resluts being posted here, but i can't rememebr who it was or the magazine involved so i don't want to drop a bollock and say "here we go again"

i'm sure someone wiith an ecyclopedic knowledge of the history of the forum will be able to find said post in a matter of seconds and post it up though, if it does indeed exist and was not a figment of my imaginatin

 

the way i see it, it would have helped cleave through the air, but it may have been too streamlined to allow enough air to get to the bits that needed air
that and other cooling issues that require the front of the car to be in the air stream, not just for the ram effect but also for the air to air cooling etc

so what you gain from one side you lose on the other?

yes or talking bollocks?

 

100% correct .

 

 

Originally Posted by dojj
the way i see it, it would have helped cleave through the air, but it may have been too streamlined to allow enough air to get to the bits that needed air
that and other cooling issues that require the front of the car to be in the air stream, not just for the ram effect but also for the air to air cooling etc

so what you gain from one side you lose on the other?

yes or talking bollocks?

correct about what

hopefully the first bit, not the talking bollocks bit

 

No!!!! thats not what Rod said.
Dave did not fit the GT40 which he would have needed to approach 200mph his car was in same Spec as 190 just longer gearing & he struggled to pull it in when in 5th gear, needed another between 4th & 5th.
Data log also showed 2.3bar boost so I suggest 650 tops on the runs.
650bhp will not get you anywhere near 200mph remember Martin struggled with 680. If you look back you will see I suggested 196/197 with 665bhp so what this 200mph cobblers is about I cant start to imagine you cant will these cars up to 200mph that takes circa 700bhp maybe a tad more in Daves case because he is having to pull well over peak Power on a 5 speed box, so peak Power must be higher.
Next time Dave will have the GT40 & engine mods to get him there but he needs circa 60 more horses to be sure.
I know you lads think its fairly easy to reach 200mph but at Brunters it aint its Bl**dy difficult & everything must be right. Mines had 5 years of sorting it out to make it look easy.

 

It does show that Martin's Millington engine was pretty good then, as it shouldn't by your calcs have been able to do 194.7mph with a mere 627bhp on race fuel.... . Just goes to show how gearing and weight can play a part, as Martin's old Escort was only 1250kg, but he had the 6-speed R&D dogbox.

 

Rod, Dave's engine was making less power at the far end, he had intake temps of 48 degrees and the hydraulic lifters were slightly noisey when he came back in, so both of those factors would have lost him power.

So I dont believe he had even 650bhp TBH by the time he was in 5th, and if you look at how rich it was going at the top end, this supports my theory of a drop in VE as the run progressed according to mark.

Was probably more like 620 by the time he got to the far end!

 

Using a standard RS500 cooler and a 3' Mongoose!!!!!

SO.... I would go as far as saying Martins car was WELL under 600bhp in car...

 

I know that Chip but we dont usually let this sort of info out. .

 

Im not convinced an RS500 cooler is actually worse than the pro-alloy etc ones everyone seems to be running now, they were VERY well designed originally IMHO, in fact, isnt Rod still on one?

 

Well apologies if Ive said something I shouldnt have there, certainly wasnt my intention to "give something away" but I see no point in comparing any power figure other than the one you estimate you have in 5th gear at the end of a run when making guesstimates of what power equates to what speed.

 

I've just got back from the hospital after two days I'd not like to experience again... but just wanted to clarify these quick bits.

Dan,

I never mentioned you personally, it's happened as I described several times on here, before your reign began as chief over there though. The Fiesta thrash business however was recently written by Neil on the Fiesta ST site and I quote; "As mentioned at the start of the thread, we would like times to be kept quiet, but we're not going to start laying down the law or be killjoys. I could'nt even try to tell modded car owners what to do." If you're happy letting everyone post the times as they indeed started to do, asking them not to is exactly the same as us, so you guys are no different... unless I've missed something that looks like double standards, particularly from those that oddly think it's ok when you (FF - again not personally), ask for the times to be kept quiet, but not for us?!

Second part wasn't having a dig at you either, you've taken that to mean you but it's just a general comment... for example another magazine was there on the day we shot YUM - Nothing to with Unity or Future and had a big thrash with no helmets, safety people, extinguishers or first aid gear in site... was merely stating that the additional safety cost, as I'm sure you're only too well aware doesn't come for free, and as I'm on a tighter budget than yourself it means I've got to deliver the goods to keep the boss happy.

For everyone else that keeps going on about mag sales please re-read my earlier post as clearly most who keep commenting on that haven't...

Well done again to Dave, and glad it held together for the track day. We would of course happily offer a Grudge Match, but obviously I know the deal with Martin so it would only be if he wanted to do so, he's got my mobile number should he wish to.

 

I heard a rumour once that NOS is quite cold


I ran them back to back. I had HUGE charge temp problems on a Standard Behr RS500 cooler on track and on Topspeed Runs. Tried a standard ProAlloy and in was slightly better but still not upto the job.

The Jumbo ProAlloy one I have is man enough and keeps ACT's low enough to not have problems