i spent about 3k at 4 different place trying to cure a small misfire at light load/idle, got sick of getting ripped off and booked in with MSD.

cost me more in fuel than it did to get it fixed

 

What was the problem then?

 

Im pleased your happy Jim, and i bet the other places didnt take you out on the town either?

 

Well, in a nutshell, if you want a highly modified street car then you really should make the extra effort to ensure that it is not only fast, but that it also performs properly when cold. Commonloy, a badly mapped cosworth will sit there with its idle going up /down/up/down when cold. If you drive it, the car can stink of fuel and the throttle response be almost non existant with it needing harsh acceleration to make progress. This is all pathetic.

There is no reason that a well modified engine cant perform properly at all temperatures and anyone who says different, well, look at BMW/Porsche etc.. do their cars do this in the showroom? Ha Ha.

To get the mapping right when cold requires that we are able to actually emulate and adjust the fuel compensation maps when cold. These maps must be done when you are sure aht all the main fuel and spark tables that will be accessed cold are correct so that the multipliers chosen are not later made incorrect by main table adjustments.

A weber has 2 cold multipliers. one of them works for the first 27 seconds of cold start and is richer than the later one which works from then onwards. To be sure the mapping is correct, lets say we have one that hunts for fuel as its too lean and the revs go up/down/up/down and we add fuel into the correct tempareture stabiliser, perhaps the engine is at 5DegC, and we smooth it out, it doenst take long for teh engine to warm up and move onto the 10Deg C site, and the 15Deg site etc... so how do we know for a fact that at 5 and 10 its perfect, when we spent 4 of the 5 mins tuning it?

Thats right, we need to try again next time its at 5C, and thats not likely to be until tomorrow. If we have the car a week, we still only get 5 goes at that as it will take the first three days to get it setup, powered up and the base fuel and spark mapping completed. Top end mapping is childs play and not really a relevant part of the discussion, but it does of course still all take time.

Hope this helps and isnt over complicated as im rushing a bit this morning, i may revise it later.

 

It isn't just an encryption board it has complex and vast engine software changes which were developed for the works cars and was therefore protected to stop everyone just copying the chip.There are many software versions and updates

 

I truly dont wish to argue with you in public Tony but i ASSURE you it is just an encryption board with a different encryption algorythm to ensure tuners couldnt use the new Pectel ALS bases without buying the more expensive board from them and keeping the retail price high. (Quite rightly of course)


I do ALS/WI/AI etc on P8 without Pectel Boards and always have done...

 

here we go again firstly a slight technical correction to my post, over and above the pectel non als board the als board is a different encryption to the non als board,but now as some people wish to be pedantic there are further complications in that each pectel agent had different encryption and the als was ford only .the pectel strategies are protected and makes it impossible for people to live map a pectel board .P8 has to be mapped using the standard webber chip and generic software and the pectel strategies cannot be used

 

it took me MONTHS to get my cold start right,,,, *red faced*
i had the laptop with me everytime i started the car un from cold LOL

 

Nobody is being pedantic Tony. I stated the Pectel P8 ALS board is ONLY required to encrypt the contents of the chip. You said it isnt and it contains special software. Now you seem to be agreeing with me, which is nice.

 

Less of the red faces mate, your job was even harder as getting aftermarket manageent to run right cold can be much harder as it simply isnt as good at it and you didnt have any known figures to start from.

 

well i believe you are being pedantic lol
the boared protects the pectel software which is contained on the chip which can be copied the copied chip can only be used on the correct encrypted board so the chip is no use without the board the board is no use without the chip so the chip, board and therefore the pectel software is a combine package further complicated in that there are many different encryptions and different chips only pectel truely know which combinations work together which is why some tuners don't like it as they are not able to and or capable of using this extremely clever software

 

So you now agree its just an encryption board mate. I think maybe we just got our wires crossed somewhere gorgeous.

 

someone got there wires crossed and it wasn't me I made a comment in as simple a format as i felt was necessary for the general public,to auriels post not any of yours,my interpretation of his comment was that pectel boards just encrypt the standard chip which is wrong it protects the very clever pectel software which there are many versions of, only one being als some other features are 12 position adjustable air injector boost control,and wasted spark

 

Get a room you 2

 

Maybe you best go and read who you quoted old boy. Then you may see why i thought you were replying to me. Thus i replied.

Personally i cant imagine Nigel thought it encrypted the standard chip, as the car would then still drive like a standard of course.

Incidentally, We also do the boost pot and WS on P8 without the need for Pectel.

 

at long last 15 years late though lol

 

do you mean this one stu

 

What identifies an ALS board from a none ALS board???

 

No Tony. Just read post 45. You have quoted ME mate.

 

It says ALS on it.

 

Weve done all that on P8 for the last 8 years mate.

 

have one of these prometheus

 

there is no difference visibly within the boards it is purely identifiable visually by the labels the pectel agent felt they wished to put on the encryption chips or chip and often there was no labeling difference as als was moutune only. To complicate things further there are two types of pectel p8 board the difference is purely visual early ones had two removable encryption chips the later ones had a surface mount single.all software information is on the chip at specific address points

 

post number 45 stu ??????

 

Thank you, as mine is taken from a GpA escort rally car, which ran ALS then re-chipped by mountune.

 

but not on l8 ?

 

all pectel encryption boards can be re encrypted to what ever pectel stratergy you wish to upgrade to
Stu have you had a cup of coffee this morning with sugar roflol

 

LOL, Tony i was gonna ask you if you had got out of bed the wrong side today or if you went to bed at all??!!!

And my god, if Stu has had a "real" cup of coffee this morning, don't come home tonight!!

 

Hi nicole stu's tag team partner lol

 

Every post on a topic has its number written top right corner mate. Look at number 45 and you will see why i thought you were contradicting me. Its because you quoted me.

*This is post 70*

 

No way, i wouldn't have the guts to argue with you Tony, you see i'm already at a distinct disadvantage.........i would get shot down in flames for simply being a woman!!

Now where was i.......oh yes that's right cleaning the kitchen...

 

I totally agree with you nicole I never argue with a women, a women is always right as you are in this instance IMO roflol

 

I feel the urge for some women jokes
a women only opens her mouth to change feet lol

 

ROFLOL. Im going to run and hide from this one..

 

HAHA, Tony some things NEVER change!!

Now stop distracting me from my cleaning duties...........

 

We can live map the p8 but that was some years ago we have some software to de-encrypt and encrypt as i told tony some years ago
remember me tony?
andy@amt

 

OK i just worry if i did go to stu id become a follower.Or maybe id have to who knows.So if i were to book her in when could she be done and what special discount would i get for being such a great forum user

 

To be honest, after all the things you called me last year i dont want to do it anyway! I was just contributing to the topic.

 

LOL i knew you were not going to do it stu i realise im not that liked on here and i dont care lol i am a monthly internet rebel and go mad somtimes and piss every one off.I sometimes like to say what others just dont and 99 % of the time get shot down lol but who cares.Cheers for looking in anyway stu u need true ass lickers at the shop not somone who tells it like it is i realise