Had the 500 on the rollers for the 1st time yesterday! :-)
20-10-2004, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Fagin
Mike,
Mine is on the standard diff, but also with 17" 235x40 tyres..... what does this all mean.... fuck knows!!
Fuckin awsome power figure though, and really really nice curve
20-10-2004, 11:57 AM
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Fagin if you did listen to me your realise how bollocks that dyno sheet is...how can a 2wd loose 140BHP from flywheel to rear wheels?????? 
Mikes was 515 on the DYNO with unrestricted exhaust no power steering/alternator and other power sapping items! In car it was around 480bhp so 395bhp @ wheels is fine.
Infact looking at that DYNO the @ wheels figure was identical to Dels...and his at the fly was 466BHP!!!!.........can anyone post that one up..looks the same to me!
Mikes was 515 on the DYNO with unrestricted exhaust no power steering/alternator and other power sapping items! In car it was around 480bhp so 395bhp @ wheels is fine.
Infact looking at that DYNO the @ wheels figure was identical to Dels...and his at the fly was 466BHP!!!!.........can anyone post that one up..looks the same to me!
20-10-2004, 11:58 AM
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20-10-2004, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
Fagin if you did listen to me your realise how bollocks that dyno sheet is...how can a 2wd loose 140BHP from flywheel to rear wheels??????
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20-10-2004, 12:12 PM
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St3V3 C,
Ima can't read or understand foook all that is remotely technical. He selectively reads things and then looks a twat when making sweeping comments. 
IMA,
As you have so much time on your hands, why don't you look up how a RR actually works and then look at why cars are normally ran up in 4th. Once you have done your reading you thick monk, you will THEN realise that my ATW figure would infact be HIGHER if I had a run in 4th instead of what was done in 5th. The loss figure is also high because of the heat within the transmission due to many runs during the day coupled with the MUCH greater transmission loss due to the terminal speeds hitting over 160mph (increased wheel speed).
I much enjoy you doubting at times, but I really feel sorry for you when you state something only when your EXACT conclusion has more holes in it then a tramps vest, especially when reading previous posts in the same thread would of saved you your monumental fook up as it had all been explained!
Best get yourself booked back in to a college course! The art of reading is pretty much a basic requirement nowadays! 
Ima can't read or understand foook all that is remotely technical.
He selectively reads things and then looks a twat when making sweeping comments. IMA,
As you have so much time on your hands, why don't you look up how a RR actually works and then look at why cars are normally ran up in 4th. Once you have done your reading you thick monk, you will THEN realise that my ATW figure would infact be HIGHER if I had a run in 4th instead of what was done in 5th. The loss figure is also high because of the heat within the transmission due to many runs during the day coupled with the MUCH greater transmission loss due to the terminal speeds hitting over 160mph (increased wheel speed).
I much enjoy you doubting at times, but I really feel sorry for you when you state something only when your EXACT conclusion has more holes in it then a tramps vest, especially when reading previous posts in the same thread would of saved you your monumental fook up as it had all been explained!
Best get yourself booked back in to a college course!
The art of reading is pretty much a basic requirement nowadays!
20-10-2004, 12:22 PM
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Fagin.....aslong as your happy that RR's are accurate...the only thing they are good for is fun days to compare everything that day...thats of course aslong as the ambient temp dont rise during the day!
No doubt though at the spec you have around 500bhp
I am just winding YOU up as i can see i am annoying you
Yes only just read the 5th gear bit.....
No doubt though at the spec you have around 500bhp
I am just winding YOU up as i can see i am annoying you Yes only just read the 5th gear bit.....
20-10-2004, 12:27 PM
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ROFLOL about "yes only just read the 5th gear bit" .... your a proper bellend!
IMA,
You do occasionally wind me up but I know it's all banter and I enjoy (when the time is right) to show you up in being the gimp we know and love!!!
Now get your piece of junk on the rollers..... I promise I wont laugh!
IMA,
You do occasionally wind me up but I know it's all banter and I enjoy (when the time is right) to show you up in being the gimp we know and love!!!
Now get your piece of junk on the rollers..... I promise I wont laugh!
20-10-2004, 01:42 PM
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Matt,
Cheers for that as I was looking for it last night!
Phil,
That was when Del had BD10's and before they were changed and guess what..... he got 380 odd lbf/ft torque! You sure you wanna stay with BD10's????
Cheers for that as I was looking for it last night!
Phil,
That was when Del had BD10's and before they were changed and guess what..... he got 380 odd lbf/ft torque! You sure you wanna stay with BD10's????
20-10-2004, 05:18 PM
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Re: Had the 500 on the rollers for the 1st time yesterday! :
Originally Posted by Fagin
After separately trying everything between the coil, plugs, leads, cap, rotar arm it still was fooking misfiring! lol
Nice one Shaun, glad you got the magical 500+bhp what you was aiming for
So will she be doing a few of the winter Donno track days then
If so, i will blag a hot seat ride
23-10-2004, 06:39 PM
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This dyno is very fishy.
507 HP is actually 430 HP
How can powerstation apply a whopping 25 - 40% transmission loss like that, I don't know. The estimated losses are exagerated at low RPMs aswell as high, so bang goes that theory of high speed causing the transmission to overheat.
507 HP is actually 430 HP
How can powerstation apply a whopping 25 - 40% transmission loss like that, I don't know. The estimated losses are exagerated at low RPMs aswell as high, so bang goes that theory of high speed causing the transmission to overheat.
23-10-2004, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Anh
This dyno is very fishy.
507 HP is actually 430 HP
How can powerstation apply a whopping 25 - 40% transmission loss like that, I don't know. The estimated losses are exagerated at low RPMs aswell as high, so bang goes that theory of high speed causing the transmission to overheat.
507 HP is actually 430 HP
How can powerstation apply a whopping 25 - 40% transmission loss like that, I don't know. The estimated losses are exagerated at low RPMs aswell as high, so bang goes that theory of high speed causing the transmission to overheat.
23-10-2004, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TIFF-C20WTH
That is not Shauns Dyno sheet, its Dels
25-10-2004, 07:55 PM
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Anh,
Whether there are factors involved or not is something you, I or anyone else could argue with all day long. The facts known are that the car was run many times during that day, until this full (ish) power run was made. The car was run in 5th gear as opposed to 4th, which will make a difference on the power train losses across the run. My run cannot be compared even against Del's as his was run on different rollers, different day and different engine spec. If I ran again on another set of rollers and achieved the same results in 5th (which I have no doubt what so ever would happen) then do I still get doubters.... of course.
At the end of the day I am happy and as Rod points out a 180mph run at Brunters will prove it either way..... that is something I am not prepared to do, as my goal in having this car is not to prove to all and sundry that I can catagorically state I have X BHP. I will however do that, if someone is willing to put up the bunce if something happened to go wrong on such a trial.
Richard,
"Nail" and "Head" spring to mind!
Dave,
Nope..... mine twitches much more!
Whether there are factors involved or not is something you, I or anyone else could argue with all day long. The facts known are that the car was run many times during that day, until this full (ish) power run was made. The car was run in 5th gear as opposed to 4th, which will make a difference on the power train losses across the run. My run cannot be compared even against Del's as his was run on different rollers, different day and different engine spec. If I ran again on another set of rollers and achieved the same results in 5th (which I have no doubt what so ever would happen) then do I still get doubters.... of course.
At the end of the day I am happy and as Rod points out a 180mph run at Brunters will prove it either way..... that is something I am not prepared to do, as my goal in having this car is not to prove to all and sundry that I can catagorically state I have X BHP. I will however do that, if someone is willing to put up the bunce if something happened to go wrong on such a trial.
Richard,
"Nail" and "Head" spring to mind!
Dave,
Nope..... mine twitches much more!
26-10-2004, 12:33 PM
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Confidence has nothing to do with this gay lord!!! You had confidence in your brakes when you approached that round-about, but that didnt stop you from smashing in to it.
Notice I stated "if something happened to go wrong on such a trial", but I didn't state specifics like engine failure as you very well know, if you drove the car then a failure of your driving skill would most probably happen before any engine failure happened.
Fortunately Brunters does not have any round-abouts or Armco...... so in that case I would be a lot safer driving mine at 180mph then being a passenger with you 80mph!
Notice I stated "if something happened to go wrong on such a trial", but I didn't state specifics like engine failure as you very well know, if you drove the car then a failure of your driving skill would most probably happen before any engine failure happened.
Fortunately Brunters does not have any round-abouts or Armco...... so in that case I would be a lot safer driving mine at 180mph then being a passenger with you 80mph!
26-10-2004, 12:37 PM
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Confidence has nothing to do with this gay lord!!! You had confidence in your brakes when you approached that round-about, but that didnt stop you from smashing in to it.
Notice I stated "if something happened to go wrong on such a trial", but I didn't state specifics like engine failure as you very well know, if you drove the car then a failure of your driving skill would most probably happen before any engine failure happened.
Fortunately Brunters does not have any round-abouts or Armco...... so in that case I would be a lot safer driving mine at 180mph then being a passenger with you 80mph!
Notice I stated "if something happened to go wrong on such a trial", but I didn't state specifics like engine failure as you very well know, if you drove the car then a failure of your driving skill would most probably happen before any engine failure happened.
Fortunately Brunters does not have any round-abouts or Armco...... so in that case I would be a lot safer driving mine at 180mph then being a passenger with you 80mph!
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Originally Posted by Fagin
Anh,
Whether there are factors involved or not is something you, I or anyone else could argue with all day long. The facts known are that the car was run many times during that day, until this full (ish) power run was made. The car was run in 5th gear as opposed to 4th, which will make a difference on the power train losses across the run. My run cannot be compared even against Del's as his was run on different rollers, different day and different engine spec. If I ran again on another set of rollers and achieved the same results in 5th (which I have no doubt what so ever would happen) then do I still get doubters.... of course.
At the end of the day I am happy and as Rod points out a 180mph run at Brunters will prove it either way..... that is something I am not prepared to do, as my goal in having this car is not to prove to all and sundry that I can catagorically state I have X BHP. I will however do that, if someone is willing to put up the bunce if something happened to go wrong on such a trial.
Whether there are factors involved or not is something you, I or anyone else could argue with all day long. The facts known are that the car was run many times during that day, until this full (ish) power run was made. The car was run in 5th gear as opposed to 4th, which will make a difference on the power train losses across the run. My run cannot be compared even against Del's as his was run on different rollers, different day and different engine spec. If I ran again on another set of rollers and achieved the same results in 5th (which I have no doubt what so ever would happen) then do I still get doubters.... of course.
At the end of the day I am happy and as Rod points out a 180mph run at Brunters will prove it either way..... that is something I am not prepared to do, as my goal in having this car is not to prove to all and sundry that I can catagorically state I have X BHP. I will however do that, if someone is willing to put up the bunce if something happened to go wrong on such a trial.
34-35 psi is too low in boost to make 500 HP from a 2 litre at those RPMs. Even if the compressor efficiency and intercooler are within the 60 -80% range. Especially with lower compression 7.2:1 pistons which give you less HP per psi of boost.
"The facts known are that the car was run many times during that day, until this full (ish) power run was made."
Well, that's the same for any other car that is run on the dyno. The only problem is you raise the inlet air temps, and underbonnet temps (bonnet is open on a dyno run) by a few degrees which robs a few HP at the most.
Yes, different gears give different degrees of transmission loss, but only within a variance of 1-2%, not a whopping 20 - 40 %. A 5th gear test is actually in your favour if you need to build boost. Rollers do not measure losses, just the physical torque exterted on the rollers.
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