biglee

Hi peeps...

if i was to buy a ford escort cosworth shell that had no ID and had no numbers but had a recipt of sale from ford...

how would i go about getting ID and a reg number...

would it be Q-plated??
would it have an age-related plate?

any ideas????

Chip

iTrader: (3)

There is a standard issue technique for getting age related plates:

It's Czech Mate

Build it up with all new parts ( with receipts ) and register as a new car

If not speak to Martin Hadland, i'm sure he knows the ins and outs of it better than most

biglee

whats that then.... pulling a dinger?...yankin a rope?.... being a POOF??? i wonder

p17fld

Spiky

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PMSL at chip


thats a good one

biglee

genuine question gets pooped on again..

oh well... maybe i worded this post fuckin wrongly

Chip

iTrader: (3)

biglee, apologies for the humour, can you give us a bit more info though, and then we might actually be able to give you a useful answer.

Is it a NEW shell with a receipt?

What parts will you be building it up from?
(ie new or secondhand)


Most likely answer is you will have to SVA it and get a Q plate.

It's Czech Mate

I gave you the best answer so far straight away!!!!

marco polo

iTrader: (1)

if you buy a Brand new shell and "has not " ever been road registerd

for you to get it road registerd you have to fit brand new parts like brand new engine ect

If DVLA are happy with your car they will give you a new reg you can then register it what ever you want to call it then they give you a chassis number then you have to stamp it in normaly around the flitch

If you do have abrand new reg you will have to comply with new car regs


marco

Chip

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Which will potentially be a bit of a nightmare on a YB for emissions, even if you find one thats brand new!

biglee

LOL.... i was just being a grumpy cun* not to worry matey... after all its for local people LOL

right then...

it would be a shell used only on a track for track days...
it has a recipt from ford with the date and time it was payed for.
it has NEVER been registerd on the road or had any reg numbers afaik
it has been mot'd for the track by use of another 3dr car?(not sure on this tho)
it has many 909 parts on it and really is begging to be put on the road..

Chip

iTrader: (3)

Hmm, bit of a grey area that one really, as technically it has to be a NEW replacement part in order to be used to reshell an existing escos and keep its age related plate, however, technically the point it becomes "not new" is when its stamped up with some numbers.

It might be possible, but I think you are on dodgy ground.

you need a badly crashed damaged (but not registered as scrapped) escort cosworth ID to use really TBH mate, done that way, it wont really get looked into anyway.


To register as new, you would need ALL new bits essentially, so very different to what you want to do anyway.

biglee

ok.. i think i may have to look into this.. becuse if its possible that the shell has never been stamped... then i could go about getting new parts and even (dare i say it) cobbling up a few dodgy recipts from people i know in the MS industry.. and make it have a new reg... i can get a new block aswell, and mostly new parts ...
i dont think i would put it on another id tho..
can you put a private plate on a Q reg car Chip???

Spiky

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on this subject you were 100% bang on with that comment

Spiky

iTrader: (1)

once it's on a Q it's there for life

biglee

buzz off numpty

Spiky

iTrader: (1)

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

biglee

kiss kiss......... lol

marco polo

iTrader: (1)

motorsport shells or a shell you buy from ford ..... do not have a chassis number at all unless you stamp one in

they only have a chassis number if they have been road registerd some point in it's life







a few people i know bought escort cos trimed shells yrs ago... they were 6k from ford

you got everything except for running gear and even these never came with chassis number

biglee

thats interesting becuse this one does not have any stamped numbers... it has the plate but nothing on it... it hasnt been welded anywhere around it either..

so the best plan of action is to put it on another escos ID?

GAZ345

if you have a receipt for the shell,you could get it on a new reg,you don't have to have every thing brand new to get it, it work's on a points system, so you could use a second hand engine,if you can get receipts for new parts then you would make the points up no problem,but the part's must look new, regarding new reg must meet new car reg's i'm not sure on that, but i know a guy that built a westfield up with a vauxhall valver on t/b's it did not have cat's on it & it got a brand new reg, you would need to speak to dvla.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10014199

marco polo

iTrader: (1)

they will have have a plate on the right handside of the slam panel


if it's a motorsport shell it will say on it there either group n or group a

909 *******


i dont know the best way to go around it is it worth going through the proper channels ? or do you use an exhisting ID ?

that is your choice

marco

andysrs

Dont no if this will help my motorsport cozy was built from a bare shell,by a ford main dealers,for a customer origanaly to run in Group N but due to the final cost of bying every part brand new which came to a total of Ł44000 was never used,i have all the corespondents from DVLA about this car when it was ready to be registerd, and DVLA asked to see every reciept for parts ,which were supplied and which i now have 3 folders full .They also inspected the car twice before reg was issued, the chassis is stamped along with 909 vin plate, THIS WAS THE ONLY WAY DVLA would register the cars as new hope this helps sort of..............andy

biglee

Dont know... i will have to bug the bloke to look at it..

cheers

andysrs

plate

BIL N KEL

would all the parts need to be standard ie suspension, wheels, brakes for it to be registered as a new car?

andysrs

Mine was built with konis so i guess not

SillyFezzaMk1

iTrader: (1)

could you not use an escos ID and make out you were re-shelling it with a new ford shell....sure thats 100% legal and all you'd need would be an ID to start with.

Dan

abdr500

iTrader: (1)

right if the car ends up a Q plate it will stay that way and you cant put a private plate on ither the other way you are talking about is ringing the car you was saying about using escort cosworth id first do you have any idea what escort cosworth id sell for between Ł2.000 /Ł2.500 all day long and belive me it will be found out by the police ther is a few things i know about how the police get information on rung cars and it is shocking but its upto you but the second way is the easy way

marco polo

iTrader: (1)

alot of the rally cars that were built for rallying were never registerd as cossie anyway

they were registerd as 2.0 escort



my shell says

cosworth mototsport Grupp N RHD

909 *******

marco polo

iTrader: (1)

you are allowed by law to reshell a car and keep the same registration providing the shell you are using is "brand new" and then all the other parts of the original car

all you are doing is changing the body


marco

abdr500

iTrader: (1)

that is also ilegal but i personaly dont see a problem

marco polo

iTrader: (1)

most defo not .......... because insurance companys do this alot to expensive cars ... they would rather reshell a car than pay out the full valve fact


marco

Iain Mac

DVLA will not tell you or allow you to stamp the old chassis number into the new shell. Instead, they will issue a new chassis number for the shell, then you go and get an MOT certificate using this chassis number.
Then you will need an SVA test and you give the certificates to DVLA in exchange for a registration number.

The points someone mentioned above kicks in for parts from a DONOR car, and if you have enough original parts they will either reallocate the donor's registration number or issue an age-related number.

How come the Quote function doesn't take an entire post any more?

abdr500

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well this is what i used to belive but ther is a dvla brunch run by police and i have had many dealings with them and i can say 1 thing is adding id to a unregisterd car is of high intrest to the stolen vhicle squad

biglee

bloody hell, im going to have a nightmare...

Turbosystems

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That is fraud and you will be sent to prison if caught
it has been done before by people on this forum and these people went to prison i believe.

biglee

its only fraud when or if you get found out... anyhow who cares?? its not like im gona murder someone is it...

RS220Turbo

Was'nt there a escos for sale awile ago, White with stickers on it, think it was in a magazine aswell?? That was on RS2000 ID? How was that done?


Sunny