Dre.1983

Give the man a medal. One scum bag off the streets that served no useful purpose what so ever.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Diamonds.

iTrader: (2)

fucking joke if that shop keeper gets sentanced

the cunt that died was doing the crime and stabbed the shop keeper 3 times. so he didnt care if he died.

fucking scum death is the best place for that wanker

GARETH T

it wouldnt be murder,, it wouldnt of been premeditated

Nath

This is just another reminder of the fucked up and medieval law system we have

Chip

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They essentially HAVE to charge him, as the police arent qualified to make a decision that someone who essentially admits to killing someone is guilty or not of murder.

The CPS will probably not run with it, and even if they do (for some weird political reason), it wont end up in a murder conviction for him.


Sounds like a top lad, hope he makes a few quid selling his story, he deserves it I reckon

GARETH T

the CPS will allow the case to go to court as someone is dead, and it will be up too the jury to decided if he used reasonable force

Chip

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Dont get all "the sun" on us, the coppers cant just say "oh, you say he attacked you, fair enough, we'll just forget about it" when a man has died.
An investigation needs to be carried out, and im sure it will have the correct outcome.

The Tony Martin incident was VERY different, he shot someone in the back while they were running away, they didnt die in a struggle, they were no immediate threat to Martin at the time he pulled the trigger.

Try and look at it logically rather than just condemning the entire legal system on a whim.


Its a shame so many people in this country are so keen to pick fault even when things arent actually wrong in the first place, the bloke has only been charged, he hasnt even been fucking summonsed yet

Chip

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I meant they wont run with "murder" they will probably drop it to manslaughter, and then that will go to court and he will be found not guilty.

It HAS to be in the system though, he killed someone FFS, now by the sounds of what is in the paper he did so in self defence, and unintentionally, and im sure a court will find that, but they cant just ignore it at this stage without it going to court and just go by what the papers say !

dojj

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having read the article one thing seems fairly clear

whoever wrote the article doesn't have a fucking clue what they were writing about

first they give an account by one person saying one thing, then another saying similar but different thigns then the police say that the dead guy was found by the car but they can't name the person who was in the car

so you have 3 stories reading as one, and i'd be surprised if there wasn't a "team" writing the story

obviously it will go to the cps and then they will decide if it goes to court if there is a case to answer

but if the witnesses are saying the guy pulled a knife on him and tried to rob him and, in the struggle, he fell over and died, then there's not a lot going for that idea really

Nath

Where did I say all that?

I only said Whether you agree or disagree is totally your opinion and I sure as hell don't read the sun. If you don't think the law system needs a review on most things, then thats your opinion but don't try to change my opinion to one thats been made up already

Benni

It would give me great pleasure to go and shit all over those flowers.

Lambchop

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woah

poor guy is getting mugged and then they wanna charge him?

Chip

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Nath, apologies if I read too much into what you were putting.

fish99

Spot on Chip.

You couldnt turn up to a call like that and say oh alright mate is that what happened... ok we take your word for it etc. A full investigation has to be undertaken and it will be for a jury to decide. If he has been attacked and he has defended himself (as we are entitled to do) then its for him to prove reasonable force was used.

tabetha

Tony martin may not have been in immediate danger, but over 30 burglaries and seven serious attacks on him and the plod doing fuck all might just be a bit of a worry.
There is jack shit in the way of plod action in these areas(where I live).
I have waited over 3 MINUTES for a 999 call to be answered when a schoolgirl was hit by a car, despite perfect reception, the first plod on the scene was coming that way anyway, and even he had trouble on his radio.
A 999 call placed about 4/5 lads jumping up and down on car roofs, resulted in a police attendance 27 hours later, I don't totally blame the plod the courts have a lot to answer for as well.
As for this case, I hope the family start a petition, I am sure most of the country would sign it, glad the prick is dead, hopefully his friends will commit suicide as well.
tabetha

Chip

iTrader: (3)

Tabetha, I agree on the Tony Martin thing, my opinion is if the thieving pikey cunt didnt want to be shot, he should get a less risky job than being a burglar.

With regards to starting a petition on this one, a petition for what? for the courts to bypass the legal system cause the bloke told the paper he was attacked first?

fish99

Dont even mention Police radios...they are a sore point at the moment.

Chip

iTrader: (3)

Surely you should be using a vibrator for that, not a radio owned by the public?

fish99

lol... well if the public own them they are more than welcome to have them back

Benni

PM your address and I will collect.

fish99

Benni you would be better off using smoke signals, carrier pidgeon.. or we favour two old bean cans with a bit of string

Taylor

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Totall outrage is anything happens to the shopkeeper over this! Out working all day to earn money only for some junkie theiving cunt to try and take it away,no chance!

dojj

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i was going to mentin them but throught it was going to be in poor taste

C4llyT

With a name like SIngh can't see him doing time.

Physio

Why, what's his name have to do with it?

PhilM

Metpol, surely it's upto the police to investigate and decide whether they believe reasonable force was used, and then take things further if they suspected the force was excessive - rather than it being upto him to prove he did use reasonable force?

Innocent until proven guilty? Or does it not work like this? Will it be assumed he was guilty unless he can jusity and prove otherwise?

C4llyT

Quite a bit I expect, what with pro-racism.
I couldn't care if the bloke was green, he doesn't deserve locking up.
If he was white would no doubt be fucked over, but with a name like Singh, sure to have a hell of an advantage, especially if victim was white and English.
Only stating what appears to me to be the way it works.
White English are least protected area of the population in England.

Still, as long as the right result is realised.

Physio

You dont half chat some bollocks at times mate

So, if the person defending himself against an attacker was white that would make him more likely to be convicted? Nigga pleeeease

C4llyT

Yes, I believe that from the news I see.
My opinion, which I'm entitled too, sure I'm not alone either.
Not worth arguing over.

Dan@Rapid-Ford

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Fucking grates on me when I see things like this happen.

This case needs to go to court and find him not guilty, he's freed and given a medal

might send a message to other cunts that if you steal, the victim can use force and if the victim happens to maim or kill the cunt the victim will get a medal

Physio

Totally agree & the medal should be given out no matter what colour you are as I'm sure some people will be thinking that you'll only get one if you're a non white

Dan@Rapid-Ford

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doesn't matter either way with me mate I'm half and half

C4llyT

The way it appears to me, you've never seen any of this at all I presume?
Maybe as I'm in the most discriminated against group in this country I'm more sensitive to these matters.

Still, here's hoping justice prevails.

Benni

Very bad taste when I have shit all over them.

C4llyT

Benni, I'd have thought you'd pinch them and give them to your mum, hoping to get lucky?
Wasted oppurtunity shitting on them

Benni

I don't need to buy my mum flowers to get lucky mate.

C4llyT

Alright for you then, costs me a fortune
Have to see yours if she's free.

The Rapid 1

Where the fuck are the smilies gone

ANYWAY

Totally agree with this

If it was the other way round it would be down to the police to prove he was lying and killed someone, BUT it wouldnt go to court unless they thought they could prove he DID do it, so in reverse surely it down to the police to now go away and prove he is lying and charge him with murder ? IF they CANNOT do this then no charges should be brought and no need for a court case, where no doubt in this day and age with so much info stored on us all, then I bet that somewhere it would / will be recorded that he was "charged" with at least manslaughter, and in certain jobs and checks that may be enough to go against you / him.

BENNI, a while back someone on here made a comment about shitting on/ burning etc the flowers left for a dead joyrider (who i think killed some inocent pedestrians as well, but may be wrong) and the site was in uproar that you musnt think like that but must think of the dead joyriders family !
PERSONALY in circumstances like that one and this one to, I totally agree with you, as in my eyes the way these people behave and what they do (that has ultimately caused ther and others deaths) iis dependent on how they were raised, so the family can suffer !!!


Steve

C4llyT

Up to police to prove your guilt, not up to you to prove your innocence.

The Rapid 1

EXACTLY

So why everyone saying he MUST be charged and then proven inocent by the courts ?

It should be down to the police to INVESTIGATE and IF evidence found that could prove he has killed someone without a need THEN he needs charging.

And in my eyes should still be allowed to kill someone if that is as much force needed to stop them hurting you !

Steve