Dingy

PMSL - says the man who sell shims for a cossie

holding somert at revs to get a launch its hardly a gimic....is it....unless am missing somert...

Stavros

Gimic thats proven to reduce standing start acceleration times and brings the car on boost before launching.

Yeah, nice one Mike

leecavturbo

i'd steer clear of the spark cut launch
as that fouls the plugs badly,
unless it has sequential spark cut
which will reduce fouling but is still
not as good as ignition retard LC.

Mike Rainbird

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His car is a track car, with track geometry, so what is the point in going launching with it and trying to hunt down times with 330bhp ? 13s and that is it - whoopy-do . As I said, gimic . When he then has enough power to make it worth while, he can break the transmission any time he wants (like YUM) with the launch control on his T6 . Funny, but I haven't bothered having this enabled, as I can't see the point in destroying my transmission / clutch for the sake of 0.3s - it's not like we are part of a Race Team and NEED to chase every second .

Chip

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Mike, just cause you are not into Gangsta launches doesnt mean he cant be

1st gear is pretty strong anyway on the 4wd box, so he can probably do several before it dies

Stavros

Thats a bit rich coming from someone totally obsessed with going round tracks as fast as he can

Mike Rainbird

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Can you please give me the times I have achieved for every track? .

Chip

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LOL

Indeed, I think Stav misses the point somewhat in what you enjoy Mike.

Mike Rainbird

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He will have to completely change the set up of the car with soft rear springs for weight transfer, zero toe and zero camber to make the car any good at launches, as well as change the main shaft back to a Ford one . All for trying to "live his life a quarter mile at a time" .

Chip

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I live my life a quarter pounder at a time.

Stavros

Mike likes lapping rings as hard and fast as he can, Gatecrasher fancies some better and flashier sounding launches. Id say he also has somewhat missed the point in what he enjoys.

cossiemanden

U can here the launch here also

http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t...402M-test1.flv

Stu @ M Developments

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Custom map = No problem at all on any P8 platform.

Live map we cant do using genuine Pectel P8 hardware but then neither can anyone else to my knowledge. (Bar using a decrypted version and then re-encrypting)

Just to clarify for those who may be confused...

Stu @ M Developments

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Saved my fingers as that was to be my next post.

Gatecrasher

Mike for once If you have no positive input on this subject piss off

and Btw you sold me a set of Adjustable top mounts so i can swap my geometry with ease marking one setting for road use and one for track use why not one for drag use aswell?

All i ever here is my saph is the fastest on greens blah blah and my cars the quickest at this ect i don’t mind listening to this as im interested but as you said you have been doing this for 12 years ad according to you going to brunters to have your Car remapped with a new turbo doesn’t excited you

when you said on the phone whats the point you car will only do a 13.6 at best well its a 13.6 to beat then isn’t it

maybe you should tell the TOTB boys that they shouldn’t use there track cars for drag racing and drag cars for track racing

Also how the hell am i meant to be able launch a 500+ hp Car when i have no experience of launching any 4wd car other than at traffic lights ect wasn’t born knowing how to drive in every style was you?

Sounds like someone is getting a bit long in the tooth for all this fast car malarkey praps you should take up bowls, crib or bridge

Gatecrasher

what could you do with my P8 then stu if i got rid of the pectel board?

can you still retain the ALS, W Inj, AIR inj, and Launch control all on a P8 and custom map it? how much is this?

cheers

Stu @ M Developments

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Yes, and I Can LIVE map it as well if you sell the Pectel board as we dont need it to do almost all of the above, but if you insist on keeping it then it can only be custom mapped, IE, it will have varios configuration chips pluged into it until its as close to correct as we want to go given time/mioney constraints.

I said almost, as there is currently no LC software available for it. You would need the L8 for that sadly.

Martin-Hadland

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I didn't alter any of my settings to get a 2.8 0-60 So leave him be!!

RWD_cossie_wil

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Gatecrasher

Gatecrasher

ok here are the instructions



Got the buttom in a temp place and the spaded the 2 ends and taped up



then i got both of the Earths one from the botton andone from the unit its self and spaded them onto another it of wire whitch goes straiht to the battery




i then runs the one red and two blue to the front of the car where the coil pack goes, once this is done i unplug the coil pack plug and see there is a red wire in the middle and 2 black either side

i put the 2 blues to the blacks and the red to the red





i know its not the neatest job at the moment but i wanted to get it working first and then sort out where everything is going so if i had any probs i could sort them out

anyway all wired up switch on the ignition and nothing

no pretty lights flasheing or fuck all hold the bottons ect press them just wont lite up



can someone please confirm that my wiring is all fine and in the right place and where it should be please

cheers

Mike Rainbird

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haz87

I know with coils the colours are usually the wrong way round, so black is usually pos+. So you haven't got the wires the wrong way round? Is red definitly positive on your coilpack wiring?

Gatecrasher

if you look the stack dash rev counter wire goes to the black wire on the left would that need to go to the pos+ or one of the neg's?

Piss off mike

Gatecrasher

can someone who knows help please

Stu if your about?

does anyone know how i can check whats what?

thank you

Fiecos Dan

Sorry, but this would not take any time off a quarter mile time if launched well with out it.

All it does is aid the launch rev's, so if your capable of holding rev's with the throttle. job done.




PS, i have one of these (twin coil version) on my Xr2 for the main rev limiter, and did try it on my cossie.

it works fine on my xr2tt, launching at 4500 rpm, but on the cossie, it caused a powerloss once lauched, either due to a split second of weak spark or fouled the plug's, and caused bogging everytime.
Tried it only on Coil pack p8, didn't try it on gpA coil setup.

Fiecos Dan

As for the wiring ben, i'll have to go out check my cossie loom to how i connected it, as i soldiered in, so will still be there.

RWD_cossie_wil

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When Performance Ford tested this, they said that one of the advantages of this system was that you could have the throttle wide open, which gives the turbo more energy as opposed to sat feathering the throttle.

rapidcossie

Are you plannng on launchin the car Ben?

Chip

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Also if you dont let off the button until you are actually moving, it stops the car over revving, not such an issue on a 4wd car, but on a fwd car in particuar that can be very useful.

Ie if you have it set to 4000rpm, and in first gear that represent 20mph, then until the car itself (ie the car NOT just the driven wheels) is doing about 18mph, keeping the button pressed stops the wheels ending up doing 30mph bouncing off the limiter, and nearer to 10% slip is a LOT better at accelerating the car than the wheels doing 3 times the speed of the car.

So they definately have their uses, I havent tried one on an escos, so cant comment on that specific application from expererience, but Id expect it to at the very least improve consistancy, particuarly if its an inexperienced person driving it.

Rick

i had one on my s2 for years before changing the management. Trouble is putting the button in a good place.

Gatecrasher

Fiecos Dan will be round at the weekend for some testing

RWD_cossie_wil

rapidcossie Yes mate taking the car to Santapod for some fun dont tell mike tho he wants me to just look at the car inbetween track days

That’s exactly why i want one, i have no Experience launching a car at all "other than at the lights pissing about" (tramp city)

I know im am going to have to find the perfect RPM where the car doesn’t Tramp, Doesn’t Bog down and doesn’t light the wheels up, once that has been found i can set that in the rev limiter and the concentrate on getting it through the gears

its all a learning curve at the end of the day and what fun you can have along the way after all isn’t that what its al about, having fun?

Rick
i thought that last night when i was fitting it and while it may look shit i have left it hanging so i can hold it with my right index against the steering wheel and when i want to let of i do so this is just for now but i realised i have to hold it while, holding the wheel and changing gear all while trying to perfect a Launch, so if it makes me feel better it will do for now

Chip

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I normally put the switch on the gear lever, as while pulling away thats where my hand is anyway, ready to snatch 2nd.

Fiecos Dan

Not on this setup your not,

ment to hold throttle part open, to stop over fueling.




As for button position i found best on the handbrake lever, as then you can load up the transmission, and let it go when releasing the handbrake.




And i agree with Chip, about aiding consistancey, and allowing concentration to be used else where, but only if kit works.




This might work well on Ben's Escos with his Anti lag, but then it might not be needed at all.

We'll see at weekend when we go and test the best ways to launch Bens car before he goes to the pod.

Gatecrasher

got an ally monte knob

there is a button on my steering wheel im going to have it put in that i hope

Fiecos Dan

Steering wheels fine, but will only be able to be there while launching, so will have to move it before you go to use the steering on lock.

Gatecrasher

for the moment its hanging out where the wiper stalk is so it can be droped when i turn the wheel

For a more permanent solution my steering wheel has 2 bottons either side of the Horn so where the horn wires come in up through the middle im hoping i can put the LC wires there and then that way i can turn the wheel withput it ripping them out

Chip

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Dan, who cares about overfuelling?

It will pop and bang its tits off which Ben will probably like, lol

If its on the gear lever, you can use it to full throttle shift with as well, with more pops and bangs


* warning, may cause death of turbo or engine or driver *

Gatecrasher

Says the man with a 2ft exhaust system

i got ALS for all the pops and bangs i will ever need, dan knows all about this

leecavturbo

ben did you connect the earth to one side of the switch too?