macca33

Has anyone from the site used one of these yet?

jaimesdna

iTrader: (3)

dont know about alloy blocks but i spoke to cosworth the other day & they are currenty in talks with foundrys about making another batch of blocks. if it goes ahead they will be stronger than 200 blocks & will be able to handle in exess of 700bhp.price would be over £1500 though. might be worth a wait

kjc300

iTrader: (1)

The ally blocks are about 4.5k so i'd be suprised if they've sold many. about 20kg lighter though apparently.

andrewg

i think they would be good normally aspirated in a caterham or that but wouldn't fancy putting 600 bhp into one

macca33

sounds good!!

Alps Pacino

why? there are hondas with over 600bhp with there standard alloy blocks

Gatecrasher

I would be intrested in one of them for £1500 that can handle 700hp

andrewg

thats right but are they reliable and if the cosworth ones were that good you would hear about all us using them i asked harvey and julian godfery and they said stick to steel block

JAP CRAP

are you sure about that? I thought most of them shit themselves if they weren't sleeved? All big power Honda engines i've seen have been sleeved..

Aaroncast

they have to be sleeved!!!!!!!!!!!!-honda or not!!!!!!

jaimesdna

iTrader: (3)

well £1500 is the minimun price they will be if it all goes ahead. try giving them a ring in a couple of months to see if they've made a decition

Alps Pacino

andrewg

Its not made a big deal out of cause there a standard block ie its like the cossie boys making a big deal about using a 200 block lol

Aaroncast

I know of a few crx b16 motors being tuned to 500bhp and they use a standard block with a brace round the cylinders

JAP CRAP

Alps Pacino

How many miles have those engines done on that proven power then mate? Also, are they UK or American cars?

The Youth.

iTrader: (1)

cos the honda block wasn't originally designed in the early 1970's!

steve

Chip

iTrader: (3)

They've been thinking about that for ages, and the startup costs for it are about 300K IIRC, so they are going to need to see a lot of interest to justify the investment, so probably the more people who phone and express an interest the better

Daviet

i asked before if anyone knew anything about these blocks as i seen on the smokingden website (geoff page)saying they had cgi blocks capable for over 800bhp but no one seemed to know anything about them.
and by the looks of things on there site there available now

JAP CRAP

link please?

Daviet

http://www.smokingden.co.uk/

JAP CRAP

kennyA

I heard Porsche and BMW used Alloy blocks in their production and race engines with Nikasel in the bores.

Some German guy told me they do not use a Nikasel liner, rather the Nikasel is impregnated into the alloy in some way.

Bike engines also use this technology, although the power output of the engine is not the same as a turbo motor.

Has anyone alse heard of this? apparently the technology is not new.

Alps Pacino

Do a search on the web there are loads of proven big power reliable hondas out there. Dont dissbilieve what i'm saying just cause your not up to date on honda tuning

Daviet

yes there al plenty of them but there built for 1/4 miles not a 600bhp track engine.there maybe realible for 11 seconds at a time but wouldnt fancy caining one round a track all day like a 600bhp cossie

JAP CRAP

With standard blocks? I know there are some. I also know there are many where the standard block has shit itself and for years the majority of people going for big power in Honda engines used sleeves, GE or Darton being the best. I also have also seen for myself a block fail with a turbo'd civic here in the uk with just 300bhp.

Alps Pacino

It all depends on the block used, they vary diffrently from say a b18c2 to say a b18c5 for eg. There are loads of big power turbo hondas admitadly loads being 1/4 mile cars bt that doesnt make them unreliable and in need of a rebuild after every run. People seem to be frightened of what they dont know and dissbelieve that you can get 500bhp reliably out of anything other than a cosie engine lol

JAP CRAP

Do you mean me? I was looking and researching into turbo'd Honda engines years ago and am very aware of the power you can get for them. The spec I decided on for my car was for 550WHP and i'd spent well over a year gathering info. I don't know as much about the civic blocks but have had first hand experience of one shitting itself with 300bhp and always been told sleeving was a must + pretty much every big power one I ever saw was sleeved. As for the H22a block, which is what mine had, they can't take big power and neither can stock pistons, but if you can't run forged pistons with the stock block so you HAVE to sleeve it.

Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree but IMO although there maybe a few running 600+ on standard blocks the majority run sleeves and anyone who wanted 600+ would be mad not to sleeve it and if they didn't I think it would be very likely to expire. So re. your first statement, IMO I dont think Honda alloy blocks are suitable for 600bhp+

Alps Pacino

JAP CRAP

I see your point, tbh i was going to build a crx turbo a few years back but imo hondas are best of with a nice n/a high comp engine with mods to go round corners

Chip

iTrader: (3)

If I did a honda again, I would get a DC2 and run the B18 with a centrifugal charger.

JAP CRAP

That will take a beating all day every day without having a single problem! They do have massive potential for turbo'ing though, which is why I was looking into becoming the UK dealer for a lot of the parts and trying to get sponsored by some of them back then! Then the cossie blew up and I had to sell my Honda to put towards a rebuild!

BriB

Gents,

A small bit of info direct from the horses mouth so to speak.


Hi Brian,
Thank you for your email regarding our YB block. I know that there has been some talk about remanufacturing the "200" blocks from cgi, but I do not think that it has progressed due to the cost of tooling, etc.
I am responding to you from our facility in Torrance, California, USA. My assumption is that if we do move forward with this project that there would be consideration towards the deck height, bore core thickness, and head stud bosses/pillars.
I will check with Cosworth, Ltd. (UK) to see what the latest is and I will email you.
Best regards,

yardy2186

to answer your original question martin from reyland used to run an alloy millington block until he crashed his escy and this was then sold so
\speak to him if you want so more info
There was also a feature in one of the ford mags with 3 rally focuses
2 cosworth yb and one with the ford zetec wrc engine and the article
said that alloy blocks had been banned (this was in barbados i think)
so you could try looking into that to see what teams may be running this setup.

JonnyBravo

I don't think Martin was running the Millington on the Gumball, just the cam cover iirc

It had been for sale for a few months prior to the "rally"

Rick

Nikasil or any coating will not add strength, it is for resistance to wear. Cylinder pressures in a YB are enormous for a 4 cylinder engine, which is the important factor.