compression struts on a road car
06-02-2008, 01:59 PM
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compression struts on a road car
its been gone over before, but fuck it, ill ask again.
thinking about nailing a pair on the 3dr with adjustable tca's, but then will loose the arb.
is it really that bad to drive on the road like this?
its got avo monotube coilovers that are as hard as fuckery anyway, so that should cope with the lack of ARB no?
thinking about nailing a pair on the 3dr with adjustable tca's, but then will loose the arb.
is it really that bad to drive on the road like this?
its got avo monotube coilovers that are as hard as fuckery anyway, so that should cope with the lack of ARB no?
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06-02-2008, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Markb_s1
why use compression struts?
are you going to be rallying it smashing it into ditches n stuff?
are you going to be rallying it smashing it into ditches n stuff?
i just want to be able to adjust the cambe/castor for the odd track day.
car wont be used much on road, and even if it was, im used to driving shitboxes with rock hard suspension
06-02-2008, 03:05 PM
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I dont like the concept of losing the ARB totally on a road car.
Anyone do a kit with compression struts that has an ARB still?
Or on sierras do they only get used with mega hard track suspension where the ARB doesnt really do anything? (even if its just tied off the compression struts a bit like how they are mounted on a vauxhall nova)
Anyone do a kit with compression struts that has an ARB still?
Or on sierras do they only get used with mega hard track suspension where the ARB doesnt really do anything? (even if its just tied off the compression struts a bit like how they are mounted on a vauxhall nova)
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06-02-2008, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
Originally Posted by L8 ECU
What do we think of this set-up?
06-02-2008, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
and then id say, how does that work tho, as the ARB is fixed, so the compression struts wont be able to adjust will they?
06-02-2008, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
and then id say, how does that work tho, as the ARB is fixed, so the compression struts wont be able to adjust will they?
06-02-2008, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by L8 ECU
Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
and then id say, how does that work tho, as the ARB is fixed, so the compression struts wont be able to adjust will they?
06-02-2008, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
Originally Posted by L8 ECU
Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
and then id say, how does that work tho, as the ARB is fixed, so the compression struts wont be able to adjust will they?
Maybe doug is refering to the flat part that mounts across the car, although I havent seen that before and cant really picture how that works being bladed at that point rather than bladed in the normal place TBH
06-02-2008, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
well, im waiting for a reply from compbrake, ill see what they say first 
06-02-2008, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by L8 ECU
Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
well, im waiting for a reply from compbrake, ill see what they say first
i just want the fooking thing running now, and its costing me lots of money
its booked in to pro alloy for the 1st of march, and that aint fookin cheap
06-02-2008, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
Originally Posted by L8 ECU
Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
and then id say, how does that work tho, as the ARB is fixed, so the compression struts wont be able to adjust will they?
Maybe doug is refering to the flat part that mounts across the car, although I havent seen that before and cant really picture how that works being bladed at that point rather than bladed in the normal place TBH
06-02-2008, 03:31 PM
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Dan, thats exactly how it looks to me mate as well.
Like its essentially compression struts and an arb linked to the normal arb location on the car, and with that "blade" as nothing more than a tie between the two mounts (presumabley as a kind of chassis strengthening)
Thats just how it looks from the pictures though, I dont actually know anything about it, so if Doug does, then listen to him instead I guess!
Like its essentially compression struts and an arb linked to the normal arb location on the car, and with that "blade" as nothing more than a tie between the two mounts (presumabley as a kind of chassis strengthening)
Thats just how it looks from the pictures though, I dont actually know anything about it, so if Doug does, then listen to him instead I guess!
06-02-2008, 04:05 PM
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Will be fine on road and even more so on track
Even if your thinking they will upset your handling your braking feel will be improved as the wheel is kept into a tied location instead of moving around on a steel sprung bar and rubber bushes.
Even if your thinking they will upset your handling your braking feel will be improved as the wheel is kept into a tied location instead of moving around on a steel sprung bar and rubber bushes.
06-02-2008, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Will be fine on road and even more so on track
Even if your thinking they will upset your handling your braking feel will be improved as the wheel is kept into a tied location instead of moving around on a steel sprung bar and rubber bushes.
Even if your thinking they will upset your handling your braking feel will be improved as the wheel is kept into a tied location instead of moving around on a steel sprung bar and rubber bushes.
06-02-2008, 04:18 PM
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I cant find any details on their site, although they list a kit at 129.99, they dont show any details of it yet.
From what you are saying it has roll bar AND compression struts though yeah. with the droplinks to connect them together.
Got any pics? as that sounds ideal!
From what you are saying it has roll bar AND compression struts though yeah. with the droplinks to connect them together.
Got any pics? as that sounds ideal!
06-02-2008, 04:56 PM
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Re: compression struts on a road car
Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
its been gone over before, but fuck it, ill ask again.
thinking about nailing a pair on the 3dr with adjustable tca's, but then will loose the arb.
is it really that bad to drive on the road like this?
thinking about nailing a pair on the 3dr with adjustable tca's, but then will loose the arb.
is it really that bad to drive on the road like this?
Uses Nuts's Comp struts...
06-02-2008, 08:07 PM
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my compbrake struts snapped 
lucky i was pulling the car off the drive at the time! otherwise i don't like to think what would of happened...
i did contact them and they said they'd never seen this before, though i never got round to sending them back to them for analysis..(plus i already paid money to buy them let alone pay to send them back) anyhoo my mate who builds rally(and runs) various cars said they were really poorly welded.
in terms of driving, i'm running MikeR springs and the body roll was shocking, unless you've got seriously hard suspenion i wouldn't even consider it without an ARB
lucky i was pulling the car off the drive at the time! otherwise i don't like to think what would of happened...i did contact them and they said they'd never seen this before, though i never got round to sending them back to them for analysis..(plus i already paid money to buy them let alone pay to send them back) anyhoo my mate who builds rally(and runs) various cars said they were really poorly welded.
in terms of driving, i'm running MikeR springs and the body roll was shocking, unless you've got seriously hard suspenion i wouldn't even consider it without an ARB
06-02-2008, 08:10 PM
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lol cheers si, ill see what the email says tomoz lol
as for them top mounts, i had a set of them on the drift shitter - upon removal 4 out of 6 bolts sheared off in them - alloy and steel dont mix
dont know if id need them on the 3dr tho, if i use adjustable tca's and compression struts, it kind of eliminates the need for esscentric top mounts no?
as for them top mounts, i had a set of them on the drift shitter - upon removal 4 out of 6 bolts sheared off in them - alloy and steel dont mix
dont know if id need them on the 3dr tho, if i use adjustable tca's and compression struts, it kind of eliminates the need for esscentric top mounts no?
06-02-2008, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Doh
my compbrake struts snapped lucky i was pulling the car off the drive at the time! otherwise i don't like to think what would of happened...
i did contact them and they said they'd never seen this before, though i never got round to sending them back to them for analysis..(plus i already paid money to buy them let alone pay to send them back) anyhoo my mate who builds rally(and runs) various cars said they were really poorly welded.
in terms of driving, i'm running MikeR springs and the body roll was shocking, unless you've got seriously hard suspenion i wouldn't even consider it without an ARB
lucky i was pulling the car off the drive at the time! otherwise i don't like to think what would of happened...i did contact them and they said they'd never seen this before, though i never got round to sending them back to them for analysis..(plus i already paid money to buy them let alone pay to send them back) anyhoo my mate who builds rally(and runs) various cars said they were really poorly welded.
in terms of driving, i'm running MikeR springs and the body roll was shocking, unless you've got seriously hard suspenion i wouldn't even consider it without an ARB
tbh, the avo sus on the car is that harsh, i was driving to work one day when the boot flew open lol
i stopped to shut it, but on inspection it was cos the bolts holding the latch to the bodyshell had vibrated out lol
even on the softest settings, the sus is hard as fuckery!!!
07-02-2008, 12:07 AM
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1) Bolts are not supplied with top mounts Dan so it may have been a mis match or something YOU used that maybe caused them to snap ? All the bolt is used for is to hold the top mount in position not to take any load 
And as those are not supplied why knock the top mount ??
2) Cut and shut welded is one of the reasons why I have moved on to the the fully CNC machined single piece solid billet bar type. That costs us more in the long run but it will bend way before it would ever get the chance to snap. There is no welding to break.
3) Doh an ARB wont STOP body roll, that is down to a combination of springs and dampers. I'd guess your Konis were an unspecified road set-up ? If your mate builds rally cars he shouldnt be building them to road spec unless its going to be a road rally car, in which case sometimes those mods are bend
And as those are not supplied why knock the top mount ??2) Cut and shut welded is one of the reasons why I have moved on to the the fully CNC machined single piece solid billet bar type. That costs us more in the long run but it will bend way before it would ever get the chance to snap. There is no welding to break.
3) Doh an ARB wont STOP body roll, that is down to a combination of springs and dampers. I'd guess your Konis were an unspecified road set-up ? If your mate builds rally cars he shouldnt be building them to road spec unless its going to be a road rally car, in which case sometimes those mods are bend
07-02-2008, 05:44 AM
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if he wants to control the position of the wheel in the arch more acurratly then buy fitting top mounts that's going to give you more scope for adjustment isn't it?
adding in adjustable tca's and you can put the wheel wherever you want it to go, and without the problems of 4wd to contend with, the world is your lobster really once you've got the basics set up
adding in adjustable tca's and you can put the wheel wherever you want it to go, and without the problems of 4wd to contend with, the world is your lobster really once you've got the basics set up