WARNING new cosworth oil pumps!!
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Did it cause low oil pressure for long enough to cause any other failure?
no luckily it was noticed early enough
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fucker. i need an oil pump as well.
what does matt charge for one? are there others available?
what does matt charge for one? are there others available?
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Did it cause low oil pressure for long enough to cause any other failure?
no luckily it was noticed early enough
Thanks for sharing the warning, not the first oil pump failure on new cosowrth pumps ive heard of sadly though
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so if one of these fails and wrecks an engine where does that leave the supplier?in the shit legally i suspect!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
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so if one of these fails and wrecks an engine where does that leave the supplier?in the shit legally i suspect!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
Limited liability is the key here, they will only refund up to a maximum of the price paid for the pump they dont accept responsibility for any damage done.
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Originally Posted by Lambchop
why is it so hard to get a proper/decent one? so many people rebuilding these engines too!
just like the various companies making copy group A 909 parts,the quality is pure shit and nothing like the originals.
the oil pump is your engines heart,and thus should be made as best as can be and not sold at cut prices.
rant over!!
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
so if one of these fails and wrecks an engine where does that leave the supplier?in the shit legally i suspect!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
Limited liability is the key here, they will only refund up to a maximum of the price paid for the pump they dont accept responsibility for any damage done.
we have not had a thread as titled today afterall!!
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Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
so if one of these fails and wrecks an engine where does that leave the supplier?in the shit legally i suspect!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
Limited liability is the key here, they will only refund up to a maximum of the price paid for the pump they dont accept responsibility for any damage done.
we have not had a thread as titled today afterall!!
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FFS I hope mine will be ok! I got mine off Richie B9KOS as his got recalled by Cosworth (so he had to buy an additional from GGR) so I bought the new one Cosworth sent out....
We were talking to someone at Cosworth at the Ring last year, we slagged him off for the lack of oil pumps and questioned their design.
He said they'd been sorted.......... Obviously not unless this was part of the old batch (doubt it though as this was last year).
We were talking to someone at Cosworth at the Ring last year, we slagged him off for the lack of oil pumps and questioned their design.
He said they'd been sorted.......... Obviously not unless this was part of the old batch (doubt it though as this was last year).
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
so if one of these fails and wrecks an engine where does that leave the supplier?in the shit legally i suspect!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
Limited liability is the key here, they will only refund up to a maximum of the price paid for the pump they dont accept responsibility for any damage done.
we have not had a thread as titled today afterall!!
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I agree totally, oil pumps arent where you want to be saviing 50 quid at the expense of quality.
Sadly, we are moving more and more towards a price driven market for building high power engines though, rather than a quality driven one.
Ive seen it massively in the Vauxhall scene as well for competition engines, a friend of mine who supplies a lot of motorsport cars is now selling 10:1 eagle rods versus arrows.
Why the hell would anyone want to save 500 quid on a set of rods that come with utterly no guarentees of their quality
Sadly, we are moving more and more towards a price driven market for building high power engines though, rather than a quality driven one.
Ive seen it massively in the Vauxhall scene as well for competition engines, a friend of mine who supplies a lot of motorsport cars is now selling 10:1 eagle rods versus arrows.
Why the hell would anyone want to save 500 quid on a set of rods that come with utterly no guarentees of their quality
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Originally Posted by Lambchop
so where can i get a new pump thats decent then?!?
Everyone has done such a good job of dragging the price and quality down, that even the genuine cosworth ones are now unpredictable litter essentially.
Only what you can guarentee it IMHO is to buy a dry sump kit
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
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so if one of these fails and wrecks an engine where does that leave the supplier?in the shit legally i suspect!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
Limited liability is the key here, they will only refund up to a maximum of the price paid for the pump they dont accept responsibility for any damage done.
we have not had a thread as titled today afterall!!
i'm sure its not his problem he can only sell what cosworth supply
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Originally Posted by Lambchop
so where can i get a new pump thats decent then?!?
and no i havnt got any for sale.
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I agree totally, oil pumps arent where you want to be saviing 50 quid at the expense of quality.
Sadly, we are moving more and more towards a price driven market for building high power engines though, rather than a quality driven one.
Ive seen it massively in the Vauxhall scene as well for competition engines, a friend of mine who supplies a lot of motorsport cars is now selling 10:1 eagle rods versus arrows.
Why the hell would anyone want to save 500 quid on a set of rods that come with utterly no guarentees of their quality
Sadly, we are moving more and more towards a price driven market for building high power engines though, rather than a quality driven one.
Ive seen it massively in the Vauxhall scene as well for competition engines, a friend of mine who supplies a lot of motorsport cars is now selling 10:1 eagle rods versus arrows.
Why the hell would anyone want to save 500 quid on a set of rods that come with utterly no guarentees of their quality
For what I need the Eagles are perfect, I couldn't justify buying a set of Arrows for a budget build, the Sainz rods I got seem to be superb quality but they are far too nice to go in the snot machine
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Lambchop
so where can i get a new pump thats decent then?!?
Everyone has done such a good job of dragging the price and quality down, that even the genuine cosworth ones are now unpredictable litter essentially.
Only what you can guarentee it IMHO is to buy a dry sump kit
well im not going dry sump so which do i bloody well choose? i need someone to blame
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Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Lambchop
so where can i get a new pump thats decent then?!?
Everyone has done such a good job of dragging the price and quality down, that even the genuine cosworth ones are now unpredictable litter essentially.
Only what you can guarentee it IMHO is to buy a dry sump kit
well im not going dry sump so which do i bloody well choose? i need someone to blame
So you are fucked either way, just buy one and hope for the best, like everyone else has to basically
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Originally Posted by andrewg
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
so if one of these fails and wrecks an engine where does that leave the supplier?in the shit legally i suspect!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
Limited liability is the key here, they will only refund up to a maximum of the price paid for the pump they dont accept responsibility for any damage done.
we have not had a thread as titled today afterall!!
i'm sure its not his problem he can only sell what cosworth supply
buy a loaf of asdas own bread,its a similar situation.
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Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by Lambchop
so where can i get a new pump thats decent then?!?
and no i havnt got any for sale.
i was only buying a new one to be on the safe side.
i have 1 melted engine with unknown used pump in. other engine is knocking and unsure of the problem. when its ripped apart i wanted to use a new pump for peace of mind
so can they be checked over/serviced?
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Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
so if one of these fails and wrecks an engine where does that leave the supplier?in the shit legally i suspect!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
at least the genuine ford ones dont do this eh!
Limited liability is the key here, they will only refund up to a maximum of the price paid for the pump they dont accept responsibility for any damage done.
we have not had a thread as titled today afterall!!
i'm sure its not his problem he can only sell what cosworth supply
buy a loaf of asdas own bread,its a similar situation.
i know what your sayin but there this is cheaper copy's out there you would think coming from cosworth it would be a quality product
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
The idea of using a used one is a good one, its easy to check condition of a secondhand pump but not easy to check the manufacture of a new one.
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I lost my engine and brand new turbo due to oil pump.
Done all the bearings, crank, rings and took out a Brand new T34 with a GT compressor wheel in worth about Ł600
Cost me 2K
Done all the bearings, crank, rings and took out a Brand new T34 with a GT compressor wheel in worth about Ł600
Cost me 2K
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I lost my engine and brand new turbo due to oil pump.
Done all the bearings, crank, rings and took out a Brand new T34 with a GT compressor wheel in worth about Ł600
Cost me 2K
Done all the bearings, crank, rings and took out a Brand new T34 with a GT compressor wheel in worth about Ł600
Cost me 2K
this is what im scared of
car goes away tonight to get resurrected and more problems would NOT be nice!
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
The idea of using a used one is a good one, its easy to check condition of a secondhand pump but not easy to check the manufacture of a new one.
The "uprating" is normally just a case of replacing the spring with a heavier one, so that it holds more pressure, I personalyl view that as a bad idea though.
If you pull it apart, you can check the play in it with a feeler gauge, and more important do a visual inspection of it, if there is no scoring its highly unlikely to have any problems.
I would recomend letting someone who knows what they are doing look at it for you though on such a vital component.
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
If you pull it apart, you can check the play in it with a feeler gauge, and more important do a visual inspection of it, if there is no scoring its highly unlikely to have any problems.
I would recomend letting someone who knows what they are doing look at it for you though on such a vital component.
I would recomend letting someone who knows what they are doing look at it for you though on such a vital component.
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Just to make you aware that the pump pictured is actually better MADE than the OE pump, as it is machined from a billet rather than cast. Therefore the tolerances are a LOT better than the original cast ones and they don't have the same high temperature expansion issues (which causes a drop in pressure on the original pumps at high oil temps). This means that the new ones have more consistent oil pressures and give an increase in pressure purely from their better tolerances.
HOWEVER, it looks as though there is a design flaw in the machining work that means that the casing is not rigid enough to take the increased pressure?
I have sent this link to Jeremy at Cosworth in the hope that they can get the design updated or to see if it is a one-off that got over-machined in a critical strength area?
HOWEVER, it looks as though there is a design flaw in the machining work that means that the casing is not rigid enough to take the increased pressure?
I have sent this link to Jeremy at Cosworth in the hope that they can get the design updated or to see if it is a one-off that got over-machined in a critical strength area?
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Just to make you aware that the pump pictured is actually better MADE than the OE pump, as it is machined from a billet rather than cast. Therefore the tolerances are a LOT better than the original cast ones and they don't have the same high temperature expansion issues (which causes a drop in pressure on the original pumps at high oil temps). This means that the new ones have more consistent oil pressures and give an increase in pressure purely from their better tolerances.
HOWEVER, it looks as though there is a design flaw in the machining work that means that the casing is not rigid enough to take the increased pressure?
I have sent this link to Jeremy at Cosworth in the hope that they can get the design updated or to see if it is a one-off that got over-machined in a critical strength area?
HOWEVER, it looks as though there is a design flaw in the machining work that means that the casing is not rigid enough to take the increased pressure?
I have sent this link to Jeremy at Cosworth in the hope that they can get the design updated or to see if it is a one-off that got over-machined in a critical strength area?
nice sales pitch,you offering guarantees then mike?
how the hell can you say its better made when you look at andrews photos?take your selling head off for a minute.