my engine problem lol
Dec 16, 2007 | 05:55 PM
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who built that engine?
myself, whats that got to do with anything?
cus i have seen those exact marks first hand
and i do mean exact and i know how/why they got there.
i'll pm ya
Dec 16, 2007 | 05:55 PM
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nope ive checked that today, definitely wasnt
Dec 16, 2007 | 05:57 PM
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were they new (bigger) pistons?
if the tolerances were too tight when it all got hot.. that might of done that??
im assuming the block is scrap now too
Dec 16, 2007 | 06:01 PM
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There are no det marks at all on the piston.
It is a HEAT SEIZURE, this could have been caused by an air lock, or insuffecinet beddingbin before full power run.
I had this on a xr4i, that was caused by a air lock in the cooling system.
The rear pistons run hotter and leaner than the fronts which will aggravate this as well.
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Dec 16, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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were they new (bigger) pistons?
if the tolorances were too tight when it all got hot.. that might of done that??
im assuming the block is scrap now too
yes mate they were new bigger pistons but seemed to move freely enough when they were fitted and block is fooked
Dec 16, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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There are no det marks at all on the piston.
It is a HEAT SEIZURE, this could have been caused by an air lock, or insuffecinet beddingbin before full power run.
I had this on a xr4i, that was caused by a air lock in the cooling system.
The rear pistons run hotter and leaner than the fronts which will aggravate this as well.
tabetha
the engine had done about 3.5k miles bedding in. The power runs on rollers were the firts time it had been given any stick since being built
Dec 16, 2007 | 06:14 PM
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Dec 16, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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me
Dec 16, 2007 | 07:27 PM
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dicko, that looks to me like the piston/bore clearance was wrong, and it's nipped up as it got hot,
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Dec 16, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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me
go back and have a word then
Dec 16, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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me
go back and have a word then
ive had several
Dec 16, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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I have often thought about building an engine myself but it when things like this happen that you realise it not as easy as it looks.
Shame you couldnt have fixed it mate
Dec 16, 2007 | 07:56 PM
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I have often thought about building an engine myself but it when things like this happen that you realise it not as easy as it looks.
Shame you couldnt have fixed it mate
i could have had it fixed but only so much you can continue to plough in
Dec 16, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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would have been good to get her up and running
what power did it make before the probs?
Dec 16, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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would have been good to get her up and running
what power did it make before the probs?
just before the engine cut out it made 345ATW @ 1.2 bar
but then it seemed to lose loadsa power then cut out
Dec 16, 2007 | 08:43 PM
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thats good going can u remember what rpm it went tits up?
Dec 16, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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thats good going can u remember what rpm it went tits up?
erm just under 6k
Dec 16, 2007 | 09:18 PM
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Dec 16, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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People...
How the hell can oil stravation kill a piston but not kill the crank - think about it!!
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Dec 16, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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I meant from poor circulation thus causing the piston to overheat
Dec 16, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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345bhp @wheels would of been a quick car mate
spec was similer to mine
gutted for you
fuk it buy another
Dec 16, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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would have been good to get her up and running
what power did it make before the probs?
just before the engine cut out it made 345ATW @ 1.2 bar
but then it seemed to lose loadsa power then cut out
345 ATW at only 18 psi ish?
you sure? not sure mine would make that power at such low boost?
Dec 16, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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will see eh
hes thinking of buying another one and if he has enough money, keeping the t4
Dec 16, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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I meant from poor circulation thus causing the piston to overheat
In which case your thinking of coolant.
Oil doesn't "circulate" its pumped. If its not pumped the first thing to be effected are the bearings.
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Dec 16, 2007 | 09:54 PM
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not if a spray nosle on the bar blocked but i cleaned that out for him so i doubt it unless sealer got into it
Dec 16, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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jacko you got a spare exhaust housing sitting about in ya little garage......ive fucked another,,,
Dec 16, 2007 | 09:58 PM
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yeh mate 48 t3 and its a minter
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will see eh
hes thinking of buying another one and if he has enough money, keeping the t4
yeah defo keep the t4
Dec 16, 2007 | 09:59 PM
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I meant from poor circulation thus causing the piston to overheat
In which case your thinking of coolant.
Oil doesn't "circulate" its pumped. If its not pumped the first thing to be effected are the bearings.
Alex
the bearings have wear marks on em but no score marks, but not the full bearing only in certain places
Dec 16, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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just pollish em and put em back in lol whats the inside of the block like
Dec 16, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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they look over heated to me too...what do people think ?
Dec 16, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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not if a spray nosle on the bar blocked but i cleaned that out for him so i doubt it unless sealer got into it
wasnt blocked i checked
Dec 16, 2007 | 10:02 PM
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just pollish em and put em back in lol whats the inside of the block like
fucked
Dec 16, 2007 | 10:03 PM
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not if a spray nosle on the bar blocked but i cleaned that out for him so i doubt it unless sealer got into it
wasnt blocked i checked
thank foook for that its not my fault then lol
Dec 16, 2007 | 10:04 PM
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I meant from poor circulation thus causing the piston to overheat
In which case your thinking of coolant.
Oil doesn't "circulate" its pumped. If its not pumped the first thing to be effected are the bearings.
Alex
If the oil pump was was producing a lower pressure due to the score marks would it still reach the spray bar?
Dec 17, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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By spray bar are you talking about piston cooling jets? (spray bar to me is a device that lubricates camshafts, but like most car things that just the name I use/prefer/know).
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Dec 17, 2007 | 10:41 AM
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From the numbers on the top I can see they were Wossners, top notch pistons those too
Do you have to break it ?
Z
Dec 17, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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From the numbers on the top I can see they were Wossners, top notch pistons those too
Do you have to break it ?
Z
yeah they were wossners, ive got 3 left though
already broken it in many many pieces now
Dec 17, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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Even if the spray bar was blocked, bores are only splash lubricated anyway. Not all engine has under piston cooling jets.
That is a heat related seizure. Reason why is nobody knows.
Wossner recommend a 4thou clearance on their pistons. It could be that the tolerance was too tight and it just expanded and gripped on number 3 as that is the leanest pot.
Dec 19, 2007 | 01:55 PM
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That would make sence Daz....