OldDan

What does gently touching the brakes while cornering on a car with an LSD acheive??

I've heard it mentioned a few times would be nice to give it a bit of practice...

AlexF

keeps the front wheels loaded... can help with understeer, but its very car dependant!

phil_focus

presumably there is a very fine line that if you cross by applying too much pressure the car will understeer more?!?!

Ginge !

well it will then transfe the weight over the front wheels and cause the back end to slide out,,,,, use to do this on roundabouts on my old escort cabrio to get it sideways when i was bored

xr2i-carl

It something that comes naturally to racing drivers.. and people who have been taught at an early age and have done it along time.

Best to stick to what ya know. You could fuck up and cause an accident

wide ka

have a bash and see, just dont do it near me!

GARETH T

does depend on what type of LSD

GARETH T

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H7KKSq1SQ

wide ka

its a uprated rsturbo one

AlexF

Thats part of it ginge...

remmeber the harder you push a tyre into the road the more grip it generates.... think of a rwd launching, then a fwd one lol.

alex

Nash

iTrader: (3)

I used to do it on my DC2 in 2nd gear corners if it started to understeer and push a little wide.

In my old Clio i just did it for the reason Ginge put above

phil_focus

cool, i'm gonna find a big empty car park to get some practice in then.

still, i would have thought if you brake too hard you will load up the front tyres too much and induce even more oversteer and not by locking the wheels although you must have to get pretty close to that i would have thought?

i think i'm just gonna have to get some practice in and test it out me thinks

Ginge, i usually use the hand brake if i want to go sidewase in my escort although i didnt have to when i was driving my mum's focus

Gareth, nice vid that mate. i like his choice of car

It's Czech Mate

Balance

Dan is asking about trailing the brake on the way round, NOT the way in to the corner as you guys suggesting it for getting sideways.

Dependent on car and diff it will help pulling round a slow 2nd gear corner......ATB\Torsen diffs work well driven this way, plated ones less well.


LFB in all its guises is a great skill for extracting the max from your car, better than spending loads of cash before you can drive properly

phil_focus

i agree, no point in wasting shit loadsa cash if you cant drive what you have already to the full

mind you its quite easy to drive my car to the limit as its that slow!

McGoo 69

good little vid that good car too

at the end he jumps it, has anyone ever jumped there car? ive jumpd my fiesta si before over a cannal bridge, its quality haha

gingeRS

i jumped my rover 216 gsi over a canal bridge too, fooker hit the floor so hard, i bent the front tow eye up and ripped the front bumper off

oh to be 17 again

OldDan

Graet video that.

TBH I've been trying it, and I've got the LFB bit spot on, as in not slamming into the window each time I touch the brakes!

Just gotta practice I suppose.

Cheers.

Ginge !

yeah my way was TOTALLY different, i done if for weight transfer, lifting the handbrake to go sideways aint the same thing at all, the car aint as in contol and you cant seem to drift like almost like a rwd car with the back wells still turning,,, it confuses people when they see it aswel as scares them


now i just go from 4th to second, get the revs up and turn the wheel to sort it out before i mount the curb and stop dead for a bit

phil_focus

yeah, clearly handbraking it there is far less control. good for a quick 180 to get out the car park in the lead though

even though i'm only in a crap mk 1.6 escort i'm defo gonna give this ago! always looking for ways to improve my driving

Ginge !

rear wheels locked will take longer to get traction than wheels turning but sliding with no traction


test it and see

phil_focus

believe me i love pullin handbrake turns an not just to spin the car but to slide the back end out while cornering (on private road of mine of course ) so i've pretty much got that nailed but by the sounds of it i'm missing out on the LFB

Ginge !

weight transfer is easier tbh and you dont look like your pulling the handbrake,,,, you look like you lost contol and corrected it

the car wont need to slow down either due to this hence more fun and look better IMO

phil_focus

i loved the lovely lift off oversteer in my mum's focus, could get the back end right out on that and essentially drift it (rwd for propper drifting ) round most corners. i guess this is the same thing but your having to brake a little to induce the slide/spin?!

chattin about this now makes me want to go out now and try it, knowing my luck though i'd get done for dangerous driving

phil_focus

sh1t..........no i wont get done for dangerous driving os its on my private road














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Ginge !

its sort of lift of oversteer,,, but with the power still applied so the car wont slow down as much so feels like RWD sort of

just ALOT easier in a RWD ca

phil_focus

oh i wish i had a descent rwd car *dreams about drifting in a cossy*

sod it,i'm gonna go have a play

be back soon...providing i dont hit something

allsteel

The whole idea of lfb is to unbalance the car and flick the tail out rally style to stop understeer on loose or slippery surfaces.Of course it is of no use whatsoever to most people,unless you have some brake bias to the rear.

phil_focus

well i have just gone an tried it in my pathetic little escort and it bloody hell it works!!!

obviously need more practice at it but there was no going through the windscreen action just more front end grip when needed and with a little more braking some lovely fune oversteer

why did i wait over 2 an a half years to learn this?! could be really good at it by now

silverfox999

[quote="phil_focus"]oh i wish i had a descent rwd car *dreams about drifting in a cossy*

sod it,i'm gonna go have a play

be back soon...providing i dont hit something [/quote

youve been gone for 1/2hr. I hope you havent smacked into anything?

I loved the vid. very good.

I have heard about this technique with certain diffs.

It is something that you do when you off road, along with turning wheel left and right to send drive to each wheel in turn. This wiggling combined with the slight braking confuses the hell out of the diff and it keeps on driving like a good un.....

phil_focus

[quote="silverfox999"]ah i was only gone 20 mins, was only on the road about 10 mins as needed a drink first and to allow the engine to warm up

i need to get some more practice in before i go out on track an then see what cars i can keep up with. not setting my ambitions high, prob stuff like saxo vtr, fiesta zetec s.

silverfox999

Glad your are back safe...

Keep practicing safely until you get the arse hanging right out!

phil_focus

thanks silverfox

believe me i was takin it very steadily cos theres no point rushing ino it an bending my first car.

2 weeks after passing my test i severely bent 2 steel wheels on my mums focus and then bout a year later i almost rolled it being an idiot.

learnt my lesson now and keep the ridiculous antics to the airfield

silverfox999

ooops, how did you explain that one away???

phil_focus

told my parents the truth about both situations. honesty is often the best policy, not in all situations though!

when i nealy rolled it i was cornering hard and fast with lots of lovely oversteer but overcorrected an it went out the otherway WAYYYY too far, couldnt catch that, mounted the curb with sparks flying and slid sidewase ove i 1 foot high gravel/dirt mound. big scratches down to metal including a few dents in both passenger doors and scraping on front bumper aswell as rippin off front vallance and geting stones rattling around between wheels and trims.

not the proudest moment of my life. felt bloody stupid and ashamed i'd let my parents down as they trusted me with their car and i'd cocked it up for a second time BIG style and thankfully didnt roll it. could easily have done! i came off the seat a little way as i took off then came back down for the landing.

still i've learnt my lesson and atleast someone wrote that car off so my mum now has a nice unabused 1.8 tdci focus

still get to drive that an its awsome

Azrael

I let myself upload a little vid to show you what left foot braking is about. It in the last minute or so of the vid


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6g7djT3Dc4




sorry it's in the last 30 seconds of it...

It's Czech Mate

Jeez....you still all think Dan is on about getting the back out on the way into a corner......he isnt.........he is on about trailing the brake on the way out to stop rearward weight transfer under accleration.............

OldDan

Matt is correct, not arsed about showing off

phil_focus

nice bit of fun in that van Azrael, but as above were on about keepin front end grip without losing the back end to go round a corner faster and have a higher exit speed

Azrael

You only need to be more sutle to do that,a nd not all cars react to that the same. In my experience it worked particularily well on Pugs/Citroens with taht funny rear suspension but not hat well on Ford Focus. But in FWD car I just left-foot brake all the time so can'treally tell as now it comes to me almost automatically.

Luckily I don't have to drive FWD car today If god wanted us to be front driven we would be walking on our hands...