£600 for a pair of wheels bearings
10-12-2007, 07:42 PM
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£600 for a pair of wheels bearings
is this for real 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/rally-cosworth...QQcmdZViewItem
i dont know much about 909 parts but fook me
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i dont know much about 909 parts but fook me
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11-12-2007, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by indycos
that seller calls everything they sell "909" parts 
as i had no idea of value and wanted top see if the price was near fesable
11-12-2007, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
SKF make the bearings for my company, anyone got a part number as even BMW E36 wheel bearings and hub only cost us 17 quid to get made
11-12-2007, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by edd
Originally Posted by Ginge !
SKF make the bearings for my company, anyone got a part number as even BMW E36 wheel bearings and hub only cost us 17 quid to get made
The reason they are so special is they incorporate the fixing flange into the upright....
I think the marketing makes very little difference to the price of these parts, proper 909 bits will always sell for strong money, if you had ever built a genuine car and compared 909 to copy parts you would certainly see the difference.....
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Ian
11-12-2007, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Originally Posted by edd
Originally Posted by Ginge !
SKF make the bearings for my company, anyone got a part number as even BMW E36 wheel bearings and hub only cost us 17 quid to get made
The reason they are so special is they incorporate the fixing flange into the upright....
I think the marketing makes very little difference to the price of these parts, proper 909 bits will always sell for strong money, if you had ever built a genuine car and compared 909 to copy parts you would certainly see the difference.....
Regards
Ian
same with bearings
but again,, yoiu either have to know someone whos willing to do it or pay the price i guess
tbh i doubt theres much interest in selling them for the gettignt he word round ect and the fact the catalogues are made a year before they are even given out ( ive got a blueprint 2008 cat at work, we have had em in our place for 3 weeks,, cant give em out till january,,, when you think they where designed before beign made ??)
aitn worth itm a order of 50 would though, but they aint silly, they would make em for you to earn big cash, some companys wont sell you big orders and leave them with nothing for other customers, instead they will sell you a lesser amount and share them accross the country so instead of being out of stock and one company having the market, they will be instock but limited stock
11-12-2007, 07:16 PM
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oh and we make stuff for others AND get stuff made for others to sell as theres and have STRICT agreements not to sell below a certain price to decrease the value of a product in a market
bosch also have that agreement, we buy stuff of bosch CHEEPER than bosch sell stuff but we cant indercut them,,,, even though we could and even selling at cost we would STILL get a 15% kick back at the end of the year,,,, business is SOO strange when you talk about distribution and supply compared to sales
oh and the amount of companys that make stuff for others and others and others ect,,, its strange ( aswell as alot secret)
we are doing brakes right now,,, the big brands are practically partners, they aint rivals trust me
bosch also have that agreement, we buy stuff of bosch CHEEPER than bosch sell stuff but we cant indercut them,,,, even though we could and even selling at cost we would STILL get a 15% kick back at the end of the year,,,, business is SOO strange when you talk about distribution and supply compared to sales
oh and the amount of companys that make stuff for others and others and others ect,,, its strange ( aswell as alot secret)
we are doing brakes right now,,, the big brands are practically partners, they aint rivals trust me
11-12-2007, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Originally Posted by edd
Originally Posted by Ginge !
SKF make the bearings for my company, anyone got a part number as even BMW E36 wheel bearings and hub only cost us 17 quid to get made
The reason they are so special is they incorporate the fixing flange into the upright....
I think the marketing makes very little difference to the price of these parts, proper 909 bits will always sell for strong money, if you had ever built a genuine car and compared 909 to copy parts you would certainly see the difference.....
Regards
Ian
11-12-2007, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Originally Posted by edd
Originally Posted by Ginge !
SKF make the bearings for my company, anyone got a part number as even BMW E36 wheel bearings and hub only cost us 17 quid to get made
The reason they are so special is they incorporate the fixing flange into the upright....
I think the marketing makes very little difference to the price of these parts, proper 909 bits will always sell for strong money, if you had ever built a genuine car and compared 909 to copy parts you would certainly see the difference.....
Regards
Ian
SKF are the best as far as bearings go,,,,, they are a bearing company rather than just automotive, hence we get em to make ours to compete o the aftermarket tp OEM stuff
they also make OEM stuff too
11-12-2007, 07:52 PM
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oh our CHEEP BUDGET PADS are made by ferrodo,,,,, due to this we aint allowed to sell ferrodo pads so we have to sell mintex as a high quality rival to give the option as people will pay for a brand,, as a result brake engineering make some pads for ferrodo and the cycle goes on ect
11-12-2007, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Originally Posted by edd
Originally Posted by Ginge !
SKF make the bearings for my company, anyone got a part number as even BMW E36 wheel bearings and hub only cost us 17 quid to get made
The reason they are so special is they incorporate the fixing flange into the upright....
I think the marketing makes very little difference to the price of these parts, proper 909 bits will always sell for strong money, if you had ever built a genuine car and compared 909 to copy parts you would certainly see the difference.....
Regards
Ian
SKF are the best as far as bearings go,,,,, they are a bearing company rather than just automotive, hence we get em to make ours to compete o the aftermarket tp OEM stuff
they also make OEM stuff too
11-12-2007, 08:09 PM
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price dont mean fuck all,,ive seen aftermarket stuff made to the same standard as it WAS the same fucking stuff just not allowed to be sold under the brand yet people will tell the difference
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11-12-2007, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
A good deal of the cars i supply have bearings that are £600 each , a pair to each hub , these are Aircraft industry spec bearings in huge sizes tho .
what aircraft are they fitted to or is that a group A phrase for rich people
11-12-2007, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
A good deal of the cars i supply have bearings that are £600 each , a pair to each hub , these are Aircraft industry spec bearings in huge sizes tho .
what aircraft are they fitted to or is that a group A phrase for rich people
11-12-2007, 10:03 PM
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Ginge,
I know how a supply chain works pal, and I do (I think) agree with your sentiment, but a lot of the genuine 909 equipment is 100% bespoke and not mass produced, even by SKF or anyone else for that matter.
In the early 90's ford and MG will have commisioned SKF to produce those bearings, yes they wouldn't cost £350 each to produce, that will be the retail price from Boreham (at a guess), they no doubt will be adding in the region of 3- 400% to the cost price, but at this particular time if you have/run a grp'a' esc cos, you can do one of two things, either convert the uprights to accept a cheaper, mass produced bearing, or pay your £700 and have genuine SKF ones.
Those particular bearing aint that good, design wise and ford on the later WRC cars ran a bearing which costs £80 - 90 each.
As for aircraft bearings, you start talking in a different hemisphere to automotive equipment, the QA levels, material and manufacuring tolerances far exceed anything you'll ever see on a car.
Personally speaking I aint rich by a long chalk, I have a huge investment in my car and choose only to ever fit the right specification parts to my car, and in my experience and the expeerience of other competitors its more cost effective to the job right once than risk multiple failures.
There are lots of parts I could list which have been 909 copies, most fail....due to people cutting corners to get the price down, the savings are generally in the choice of materials used.
It would be interesting for some of you guys to actually see a genuine grp'a' or wrc stripped down, especially you guys who know your way round standard cars, the difference is astonishing, I could probably count only 10 things that remain from the standard version.
I know how a supply chain works pal, and I do (I think) agree with your sentiment, but a lot of the genuine 909 equipment is 100% bespoke and not mass produced, even by SKF or anyone else for that matter.
In the early 90's ford and MG will have commisioned SKF to produce those bearings, yes they wouldn't cost £350 each to produce, that will be the retail price from Boreham (at a guess), they no doubt will be adding in the region of 3- 400% to the cost price, but at this particular time if you have/run a grp'a' esc cos, you can do one of two things, either convert the uprights to accept a cheaper, mass produced bearing, or pay your £700 and have genuine SKF ones.
Those particular bearing aint that good, design wise and ford on the later WRC cars ran a bearing which costs £80 - 90 each.
As for aircraft bearings, you start talking in a different hemisphere to automotive equipment, the QA levels, material and manufacuring tolerances far exceed anything you'll ever see on a car.
Personally speaking I aint rich by a long chalk, I have a huge investment in my car and choose only to ever fit the right specification parts to my car, and in my experience and the expeerience of other competitors its more cost effective to the job right once than risk multiple failures.
There are lots of parts I could list which have been 909 copies, most fail....due to people cutting corners to get the price down, the savings are generally in the choice of materials used.
It would be interesting for some of you guys to actually see a genuine grp'a' or wrc stripped down, especially you guys who know your way round standard cars, the difference is astonishing, I could probably count only 10 things that remain from the standard version.
11-12-2007, 10:08 PM
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the later cheaper bearings fitted to the alloy wrc uprights were changed every service as were scrap after one or two stages,they were often replaced on road sections after long single stages on the wrc,ask the lads running the last wrc tarmac cars on world rallies.
only one car i know running these now,jaspers.
you get what you pay for.
as for those on here seeing a "proper" car,its reylands escort isnt it!?????
only one car i know running these now,jaspers.
you get what you pay for.
as for those on here seeing a "proper" car,its reylands escort isnt it!?????
11-12-2007, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
A good deal of the cars i supply have bearings that are £600 each , a pair to each hub , these are Aircraft industry spec bearings in huge sizes tho .
what aircraft are they fitted to or is that a group A phrase for rich people
11-12-2007, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Ginge,
I know how a supply chain works pal, and I do (I think) agree with your sentiment, but a lot of the genuine 909 equipment is 100% bespoke and not mass produced, even by SKF or anyone else for that matter.
In the early 90's ford and MG will have commisioned SKF to produce those bearings, yes they wouldn't cost £350 each to produce, that will be the retail price from Boreham (at a guess), they no doubt will be adding in the region of 3- 400% to the cost price, but at this particular time if you have/run a grp'a' esc cos, you can do one of two things, either convert the uprights to accept a cheaper, mass produced bearing, or pay your £700 and have genuine SKF ones.
Those particular bearing aint that good, design wise and ford on the later WRC cars ran a bearing which costs £80 - 90 each.
As for aircraft bearings, you start talking in a different hemisphere to automotive equipment, the QA levels, material and manufacuring tolerances far exceed anything you'll ever see on a car.
Personally speaking I aint rich by a long chalk, I have a huge investment in my car and choose only to ever fit the right specification parts to my car, and in my experience and the expeerience of other competitors its more cost effective to the job right once than risk multiple failures.
There are lots of parts I could list which have been 909 copies, most fail....due to people cutting corners to get the price down, the savings are generally in the choice of materials used.
It would be interesting for some of you guys to actually see a genuine grp'a' or wrc stripped down, especially you guys who know your way round standard cars, the difference is astonishing, I could probably count only 10 things that remain from the standard version.
I know how a supply chain works pal, and I do (I think) agree with your sentiment, but a lot of the genuine 909 equipment is 100% bespoke and not mass produced, even by SKF or anyone else for that matter.
In the early 90's ford and MG will have commisioned SKF to produce those bearings, yes they wouldn't cost £350 each to produce, that will be the retail price from Boreham (at a guess), they no doubt will be adding in the region of 3- 400% to the cost price, but at this particular time if you have/run a grp'a' esc cos, you can do one of two things, either convert the uprights to accept a cheaper, mass produced bearing, or pay your £700 and have genuine SKF ones.
Those particular bearing aint that good, design wise and ford on the later WRC cars ran a bearing which costs £80 - 90 each.
As for aircraft bearings, you start talking in a different hemisphere to automotive equipment, the QA levels, material and manufacuring tolerances far exceed anything you'll ever see on a car.
Personally speaking I aint rich by a long chalk, I have a huge investment in my car and choose only to ever fit the right specification parts to my car, and in my experience and the expeerience of other competitors its more cost effective to the job right once than risk multiple failures.
There are lots of parts I could list which have been 909 copies, most fail....due to people cutting corners to get the price down, the savings are generally in the choice of materials used.
It would be interesting for some of you guys to actually see a genuine grp'a' or wrc stripped down, especially you guys who know your way round standard cars, the difference is astonishing, I could probably count only 10 things that remain from the standard version.
just the aircraft grade comments DO get over used on race aplications to tell you how stuff is better
i remember mountain bike handle bars that where advertised as " aircraft grade 7075 alloy tubing",,,,,, which is great apart from they bars aint anything to do with a plane wing
as for not owning the car, why should i bother,,,, well just interested in learning,,, thats why i scan the net and never realised how many companys we use at work ive NEVER heard of that actually make quality products who BEFORE i worked then i would consider them pikey aftermarket shite that i would put on a skateboard ( they also make skateboard bearings too
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11-12-2007, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
ps: i dont mind charging what ever people charge,,,,, i prefer people tp pay it as i get paid ALOT more than im worth for this very reason
11-12-2007, 10:21 PM
#34
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mark ill need a SKF part number to contact them, then ill have to speak to another department to see if its worth considering getting em made, see what the licence is to make them ect,,,,,, i wasnt saying ill be getting them made
just refering to the actual over pricedness of parts for stuff when they could lower the price, instead they charge more for it
also if parts are that good and dont wear they charge more based on less sales needed too
price up a clutch for a ford focus, then price up a clutch for a jap car such as lexus or something with a man box
just refering to the actual over pricedness of parts for stuff when they could lower the price, instead they charge more for it
also if parts are that good and dont wear they charge more based on less sales needed too
price up a clutch for a ford focus, then price up a clutch for a jap car such as lexus or something with a man box
11-12-2007, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
the later cheaper bearings fitted to the alloy wrc uprights were changed every service as were scrap after one or two stages,they were often replaced on road sections after long single stages on the wrc,ask the lads running the last wrc tarmac cars on world rallies.
only one car i know running these now,jaspers.
you get what you pay for.
as for those on here seeing a "proper" car,its reylands escort isnt it!?????
only one car i know running these now,jaspers.
you get what you pay for.
as for those on here seeing a "proper" car,its reylands escort isnt it!?????
Surface area and performance wise they are probably a better option, I have had combinations of both on my car and never had any bother with the sealed bearings....although the car's not been driven that hard yet.....
11-12-2007, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
mark ill need a SKF part number to contact them, then ill have to speak to another department to see if its worth considering getting em made, see what the licence is to make them ect,,,,,, i wasnt saying ill be getting them made
just refering to the actual over pricedness of parts for stuff when they could lower the price, instead they charge more for it
also if parts are that good and dont wear they charge more based on less sales needed too
price up a clutch for a ford focus, then price up a clutch for a jap car such as lexus or something with a man box
just refering to the actual over pricedness of parts for stuff when they could lower the price, instead they charge more for it
also if parts are that good and dont wear they charge more based on less sales needed too
price up a clutch for a ford focus, then price up a clutch for a jap car such as lexus or something with a man box
I'll buy em of Knight Industries, sole uk distributor.......
11-12-2007, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Originally Posted by Ginge !
mark ill need a SKF part number to contact them, then ill have to speak to another department to see if its worth considering getting em made, see what the licence is to make them ect,,,,,, i wasnt saying ill be getting them made
just refering to the actual over pricedness of parts for stuff when they could lower the price, instead they charge more for it
also if parts are that good and dont wear they charge more based on less sales needed too
price up a clutch for a ford focus, then price up a clutch for a jap car such as lexus or something with a man box
just refering to the actual over pricedness of parts for stuff when they could lower the price, instead they charge more for it
also if parts are that good and dont wear they charge more based on less sales needed too
price up a clutch for a ford focus, then price up a clutch for a jap car such as lexus or something with a man box
I'll buy em of Knight Industries, sole uk distributor.......
11-12-2007, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Originally Posted by Ginge !
mark ill need a SKF part number to contact them, then ill have to speak to another department to see if its worth considering getting em made, see what the licence is to make them ect,,,,,, i wasnt saying ill be getting them made
just refering to the actual over pricedness of parts for stuff when they could lower the price, instead they charge more for it
also if parts are that good and dont wear they charge more based on less sales needed too
price up a clutch for a ford focus, then price up a clutch for a jap car such as lexus or something with a man box
just refering to the actual over pricedness of parts for stuff when they could lower the price, instead they charge more for it
also if parts are that good and dont wear they charge more based on less sales needed too
price up a clutch for a ford focus, then price up a clutch for a jap car such as lexus or something with a man box
I'll buy em of Knight Industries, sole uk distributor.......
most SKF part numbers are VKBA for there bearings ?
ill look into it, cant promise anything though as im am a EMPLOYEE,,, i deal with other stuff at work relating to fitment issues/failures/christmas cards and gift vouchers
BUT if i can do something, we like to make money and if theres a way then you never know
12-12-2007, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
oh and we make stuff for others AND get stuff made for others to sell as theres and have STRICT agreements not to sell below a certain price to decrease the value of a product in a market
bosch also have that agreement, we buy stuff of bosch CHEEPER than bosch sell stuff but we cant indercut them,,,, even though we could and even selling at cost we would STILL get a 15% kick back at the end of the year,,,, business is SOO strange when you talk about distribution and supply compared to sales
oh and the amount of companys that make stuff for others and others and others ect,,, its strange ( aswell as alot secret)
bosch also have that agreement, we buy stuff of bosch CHEEPER than bosch sell stuff but we cant indercut them,,,, even though we could and even selling at cost we would STILL get a 15% kick back at the end of the year,,,, business is SOO strange when you talk about distribution and supply compared to sales
oh and the amount of companys that make stuff for others and others and others ect,,, its strange ( aswell as alot secret)
i know how much my company pays for stuff, but theres stuff we CANT sell below a certain price or the suppliers will refuse to deal with us anymore......
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