Staffi

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Dave,

I take it you don't like Evos mate?

dave cos4x4

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Pete,

i really like them,just scared to get rid of the escort for one.

Redkop

The same reason as me probably.... they find them boring

As an aside in the 0 - 60 at Croft.... one Evo put up the fastest time and 3 Evos were in the top 4

dave cos4x4

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thats because the cossies were broke.

Lloyd

sidc and mlr have been invited to central day 2008,2 day event,with cash prize,s for the fastest road legal cars on the 1/4.should be good weekend.

Staffi

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I'd love another Evo tbh, probably get myself a 8MR, or a 9 GT in the new year..


I want to start doing some track days again, BUT don't want to track the Saff

Staffi

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That'll be a great weekwend....

Nash

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I know what happens when an MR340 has a pop at the most reliable[ ] 2WD saph known to man. That was at 18psi on the old fucked engine 2 days before i pulled it out and 3 up.

Bullett

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tjis always comes up.ok so the technology is a mass difference but this is about straight line.i have an honest 350 bhp and i raced an fq340 on a long bit of private road .we were both 2 up we both went off the roundabout in 2nd and we both ran up to 150mph before letting off.
the result?















dead even all the way! not an inch in it.we were both smiling like hell over it.fair play to it,it did well.
i love evo's more so than skylines and so much more than scoobies,but i cant face buying one because they are just not me.i had my mates evo 6 for 2 weeks and it was a great car and very accomplished but just not got the character for me

Redkop

I was like that Dave... but luckily I had the benefit of owning both the Escos and Evo for 12 months. I bought my Evo with the intention of keeping it for 12 - 18 months then selling it on. Even though the Evo was nearly standard at the time, about 300bhp, both Andy and I preferred driving it. Handling is superb, acceleration good in all gears and the short shift 6 speed box just put the crappy MT75 to shame. The Recaros are much better too.

When I used to drive the Escos after the Evo, I found it lardy and unresponsive and it wasn't a hard decision to make to sell the Escos and keep the Evo. Since I've had Autronic SM4 fitted I'm even happier that I kept the Evo, power wise it's about the same power as the Escos had but leagues ahead of the Escos in all respects.

Edited to add: The Evo is much better on fuel consumption too

Nash

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Yeah all valid points imho

The only thing for me is, I have had a car that made driving easy and so hard to mess up [ITR]. I have also had some good mates with EVO's, one a standard 4 and the other a 330bhp 7. I have driven both of these and tbh there are stunning.

The only trouble for me is they gave the same feeling as i had in the ITR, the car is making up for your short falls [and i have many when driving]. You could see it sitting in the passenger seat with SiB aswell, he is a much better driver than me but even he got it a little wrong a couple of times. He turned to me and said if i had done that in the cossie i would have been off.

Now alot of people say why did you sell your ITR etc. Sure Staffi has had it off people aswell. The reason is the feeling of Character and how much you have to work for the experience.

After 3 laps of Dono last year i was grinning like a Cheshire Cat and new why i had sold my last car. The Saph bit me in the arse when i got cocky and tried to push it past to hard where i knew it was dodgy.

Now i will admit not every one wants this feeling. They want the best handling car etc and for Sure the EVO gives this straight from the box. I wont slag anyone for owning an EVO etc and i am sure i will own one at some point, just not at the minute i am having to much fun.

KSA-Cossie

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Evo's and scoobys are good cars imo but have no soul or character they are simply machines run by a computer whereas a cossie has character and soul and will always be a legend.

Charlie Chalk

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How come? Its only a car, You got a very good spec.. Just go careful

Staffi

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Rad,

I'm going to give the Saff a track day next year, probably Donington, i've done that one a few times and like the circuit


But, i want to keep the Saff and get myself an Evo to track with..

I'm an ok driver, BUT i'm not the best track driver in the world i'll admit it, SO i'd feel more at home and pushing the Evo more than i would my saff..atleast i'm being honest..









Nash,

Good points you've made there..

Redkop

You can hardly call AYC or SAYC as computer aided.... LOL AYC will only come in under certain conditions.

I'd be interested to know what computer aids you think an Evo has......

Charlie Chalk

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Fair one Evo would be better on track anyhow

pete mcrash

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go find me a 400bhp evo and i'll tell ya............ ...straight line.....cossie power

KSA-Cossie

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So does the driver switch on the ayc

Staffi

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Kev, no switch no for Active Yaw Control..

RS Evos don't have this..

KSA-Cossie

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Exactly pete so surely computer controlled then.

Rod-Tarry

So you were the guy that finished in front of the Norris EVO at TOTB & I thought that was the Roger Clark Scooby.
What a completely stupid comment to make.

Redkop

AYC

and

Wikipedia AYC

Red16

he does have a point ... i took this pic of my Evo 6 dash earlier



ive tried but just cant seem to hide all my computer driver aids

Redkop

ROFLOL

KSA-Cossie

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Controlled by sensors and an ecu hence computer controlled

Redkop

KSA-Cossie wrote:
Evo's and scoobys are good cars imo but have no soul or character they are simply machines run by a computer whereas a cossie has character and soul and will always be a legend.

Don't cossies have sensors and ecus then?

KSA-Cossie

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Did i just point out a computer aid or did i not

Staffi

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NOW NOW YOU 2.......group hug please..

Rod-Tarry

Working for MAD I get to work on & drive Cossies & EVO's, as an alround performance machine the EVO is on a different Planet its not even close.
Having said that I still own a Cosworth & dont hanker after an EVO.
Drive a well sorted 600bhp EVO & your love for Cossies would just die its that clear-cut. If I was 30 again I would be modding an EVO not an out-dated Taxi.

Karl

I think it is un-realistic to compare a cosworth with an Evo. The EVO is the superior car in every way. It is todays modern equivalent of what the Cosworth WAS 20 years ago. Chassis dynamics and vehicle engineering have come a long way since the Cosworth era, so it is only normal that todays equivalent of the Cosworth is far superior. (I mean if you drive a modern Ford Mondeo even they are leagues ahead of a Cosworth!!)

However since this is a Ford Enthusiasts site, it would be wrong not to mention, that owning a Cosworth is more about owning a classic performance car rather than for its abilities. If we choose to criticise all old cars we would have to likewise condemn all the classics such as the mk2 Escort RS1800 and other such vehicles which to be honest have similarly dreadfull capabilites when but along side any modern day vehicle!

Owning an old Ford is about enjoying classic vehicles. Yes Cosworths can be fast in a straight line, but this alone is no reason to buy one. They are very basic by modern standards, and unrefined, but it is this "charm" and back to basic simplicity that will always make Cosworths, and older fords such as the classic mk2 escorts a timeless vehicle, and will continue albeit in smaller numbers to be a very collected, modified and sought after vehicle.

Mr RS500

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Exactly what i wrote on page 1 ,,just put into words a lot better

dave cos4x4

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i agree Karl....or Paul.

i would have to do what you did Lynne,get one aswell as the cosworth,then decide.

Staffi

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Dave,


You're Ford blooded mate, you'd sell the Evo after a month i know you would.

Staffi

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Rod,

I bet driving a 600bhp cossie is fun though as you put it..

dave cos4x4

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staffi

your probably right Pete.

lamb chops

I would like an EVO as an everyday car I must say but don’t think I could sell the cossie for one. I just couldn’t put up with the huge deprecation that you just don’t get with a cossie. I could keep my car for 5 years and I suspect it will still be worth around the same money.. If it hasn’t rusted away

Its not just the money though of course I love the charater of the cosworths and the pedigree, plus im just an 80’s throw back anyway!! Now where’s my DepecheMode CD

pete mcrash

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all the lad asked was about drag strip 0-60's and 1/4's..............then all this bollacks started..^^^^^^^^^...........

Redkop

I mentioned earlier that it's stupid to compare the oldest cossie to the newest Evo.... technology has evolved so much with the Evo, that's why they're called an Evolution.

Dave, if you are really, really, reeeeaaaaally nice tomorrow, I'll let you have a drive of my Evo

lamb chops Depreciation isn't as much as you think it is, a good V will still fetch £10k and that's for a car nearly 10 yrs old. A good low mileage Evo VIII still commands £15k+ depending on which model it is.

I always said I would never sell my Escos but when faced with which car to keep, I had no regrets selling it. I doubt if I would have sold it for an Evo, but I was lucky enough to buy an Evo and own both at the same time which made the decision easier.

dave cos4x4

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Redkop

thanks for the offer Lynne,but i will gladly decline your offer as i might like it.

no, i love my cossies and i don't need to have another car to look after,i have enough already.

the mk.2 will keep me happy.

Redkop