Johnny Knoxville

A mate wants one but wants to know if they are cheaper to run than a cosworth?
What are prices like for parts?
And what deos he needed to look out for when buying one?

Ginge !

crank walk i think its called

i LOVE the look of EVO V's but crank walk

Daviet

as ginge said.crank walk is supposed to be bad on them.but most have had there engine changed by now anyway just like a cossie

Ginge !

for another engine with the same problem though

seriously they pukka cars, think all upto VI where group A spec or made for that hence the non gsr come with some cool touches ( and no toys )

Johnny Knoxville

Whats crank walk?

Daviet

no most have been replaced with a newer engine.its only the 4's that suffer it.well thats what i read when i was looking in to it.and i know a guy that had a four which had the engine replaced with a 5engine and he said they had sorted the problem with them on these engines.
im not sure excactly what it is but they said it was like the crank trying to walk out the engine that was enough for me to know stay away lol

Daviet

go on the mlr forum mate theres so really good infor on there and can compare model to model

Ginge !

oh, thought the VI was the one that was sorted, they seem to hold such a bigger price compared to the rest

i prefer the V as its got larger fog lamps and plate where its MENT to be

gonna have tp look back into it i guess

Daviet

the V for sale on here i think is gorgeous
the 4k service interval puts me off alot aswell
https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=299229

Ginge !

bit rich for me that one

4k service i aint worried with,,, well considering i get filters at 80% cheeper than retail i service the BM 3 times a year,,, just cause theres fuck al i can do to it

just done it tonght as i checked the oil and it was low, rather than topping up i serviced it,,, only 1 green bar has gone out too

the oil aint even black like it usually is when servicing these days, just dark like treacle

Daviet

i like to service my car alot to and do anything needing done aswell but it uses tyres brakes and clutchs at almost the same rate aswell lol.
and i forgot ginge you can get parts for everything cheaper than anyone can make them for why not build a car from new bit you can get cheaper
and changing oil to soon isnt always the best thng to do either. oil takes time to work

Ginge !

davie i work for a company that makes aftermarket parts aswell as supplies motorfactors with parts to sell on to garages/customers to make a profit and theres HUGE mark ups in service parts ( 5 litres of oil just over 4 quid, filters just under a quid)

cant make a car though as we dont do body work and we make pattern parts so aint any point

still shity pads for my car, 4 quid rear and 7 quid front aint bad

though the fucking wheel bearing was 18 quid

Ginge !

on a serious note though if you did need anything and was going to a show ect then just ask and ill bring it down for ya

be warned though its basic stuff we specialise in, things like ford focus 1.6 cats are 30ish quid,,, cat for my peice of shite is 90 fucking quid the bastards

Red16

I think crank walk is when the thrust bearings wear prematurely meaning the crank is free to walk from side to side.

As already said above the engines were revised and the crank walk problem cured in the Evo 5 onwards

Prices for parts aint too cheap but they never are with performance cars in general so nothing new there. With regards to servicing Mitsubishi state 4500 mile intervals which drops to 1500 miles if the car is driven hard (which i imagine is track use and not just fast road), this service includes AYC oil, engine oil & filter, not sure if its diff oils aswell.

Clutch's are shite as standard and will not last long, so be prepared to change it for a bigger Evo 7,8,9 clutch at some point, paddle clutches or twin/triple plate seems the popular choice with modified Evo's.

Redkop

It's 4.5k or 6 monthly actually. I can't see why people says it puts them off... surely most people who have their cossies serviced around this sort of mileage/time. I know I did when I had my Escos.

Crankwalk on MLR

Chip

iTrader: (3)

I agree, there is no reason for an evo to be serviced more often than a cossie, mitsi were just more realistic about it than ford, so publish figures more in line with what the car really needs, anyone doing less servicing than that on their cossie is asking for troubles IMHO

xxshepxx

evo4 yeah as said crank walk,

check the breather system has no leaks, they commonly leak before the inlet manifold on the egr system, s-bend on the exhausts are bad for corroding and perforating at the top, (most aftermarket systems do away with the s-bend though) also clutches go and head gaskets, so see if any of these have been changed

then just general stuff, check the service history, belts been changed? how many owners,

tuning parts arent all that expensive,

first few monds should be, (as ever)

exhaust full 3" s/s (£350)
tubular equal length manifold (£200)
Induction kit


then
evo7 camshafts
uprated fuel pump
fuel pump relay
evo 5/6/7 ecu (these are mappable whereas the evo4 ecu is not)

and there is a few other small bits and pieces (big list on the mlr forum)

350bhp for under a grand and they are really nice to drive.

anything over 350-380bhp and you need to start taking the engine apart for stronger internals if you want it to be 'safe' power

Azrael

OEM parts are very expensive though - much more expensive then Evo 7-9. Diffs, driveshafts (those fail a lot on older cars), (the dreaded) transfer box etc. Of course most probablythere is 2nd hand market in the UK, but still newones may be needed. I reckon it's cheaper to buy more expensive newer Evo and pay less for parts and repairs.

Daviet

did you get your diff oils etc changed aswell every 4500? im not saying its a bad thing i change my oil what seems like constantly but didnt think you needed to do the diffs etc on cossies at they intervals?obv wouldnt be a bad thing.
so do you reckon it costs the same to service and run the evo as a cossie?
i really do like evos and im not saying bad things about them just that some folk thing cause there a cheap performance car they can run them on a cheap budget and the fact is you cant .

Azrael

There is no such thing as cheap performance (if the car is going to be properly used)

Redkop

It gets all oils changed when it goes in for a 4.5k (in my case it's 6 monthly as I don't even do 4.5k miles in a year ) service inc AYC. I find the price I'm charged by the tuner I use is on a par with what I used to pay for a cossie service.