Rich_bloor

how do i go about runnin me van of chip fat or whateva it is ???

im self employed, i do about 100 miles a day, and its bloody expensive !!!

i saw that 'red diesel' the other morning on the news, people are treating it with sulpha and making it clear ??? sounds interesting because red diesel is only 37p per litre !!!
no, no, thats illigal, i couldn't do that !!!

Any other ideas then ???

-beefy-

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dont know about treating cherry with sulphur

as far i as know theres more to it that that ,

granted it is only a red dye in all accounts ,

all i know mate is if you get caught using it , ur going to get stung witha bloody hefty fine ,

not saying i know or have personally but its worth what u pay for it .,


ohh and i can get it cheaper then what u said lol

Rich_bloor

i could go to ireland in me van with a couple of bath tubs siliconed together in the back, fill em up with cheap diesel and put it in me gararge for later use.

Eagle

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there is a chemical added to it that will stay in thee fuel system for ages, if you get caught they look for traces of this chemical.. and you will get shafted if caught...

Rich_bloor

dont fancy being shafted, sounds unconfortable.

Micky The Finn

no you could not because you would not get passed customs.

and diesel will eat the silicone anyway,and the plug!

Lee Reynolds

Self employed? Put your prices up a few pence per day to cover the inflation...after all thats all it is...inflation.

Dangerous Malcolm..

I heard something about treating red diesel, but I'm pretty sure it was sulphuric acid they were using. IIRC it was pikeys and they were selling it on as normal derv.

BM08

Rs Baz

rich my dad has a mondeo he just puts chip fat in it and drive's

there is a place in telford mate that does a little kit that only costs £55

S1rst

Im self employed but do a good few hundred miles a day, mainly 300-400 and very often over 600. Imagine how i feel about it! Especially when im buying another van and maybe even two more.

The thing is, i cant just put my price up a couple of pence per mile, as the type of business im in is very competitive so id risk losing customers. So i have to just take it and lose a chunk of money every month, the more it rises the more i lose.

LPG is the way forward for me. Id save loads, but then again it still rises just like petrol and diesel.

Another reason i cant increase my rates slightly is due to the number of other people offering to do it for peanuts in the first place. Ive lost many customers as it is due to loads of polish round my area who are willing to do it for pocket money, but thats a different issue altogether.

Rs Baz

i have tha same problem here i run my own taxi service

Charlie Chalk

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Deal with it

Lee Reynolds

I agree. Theres nothing we can do about it, and if we did do something and got them to lower the tax duty on fuel, we'd pay it on something else anyways.

dave cos4x4

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but would we ALL pay in other ways or just the motorists.

cozzfather

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i am surprised there is not more hoo haa over the prices these days,
the government must think we like these prices and don't care paying
top whack, my near by pakistani garage owner with a petrol station charges 85p a litre for bio diesel, thats what i use, and he is well busy.
i have to phone before hand to check he aint run out as it sells so well.
if your doing big miles you have to look into bio

Lee Reynolds

Dunno how they would do it Dave. But how many families anyway arent motorists?

Its one thing i never really complain about, tax as i couldnt think of any other place you could live like we do and pay sod all tax

Martin-Hadland

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Buy a van that gives better fuel economy

S1rst

cozzfather, so this bio diesel i can just fill up with it and thats it, a 15p per litre saving, duty paid and everything? That would be about a fiver a day saving for me!

Lee Reynolds

bio diesel has duty on it but is cheaper yeah! Its finding it

rabmc

Whats this bio diesel ??

Im self employe dand im around £120-£180ih per month , depending on where im working, can you run it on normal diesel still if it can run this bio??

Feel as if im forever filling he van up at 45 a whack usually ! then theres the focus

Lee Reynolds

rabmc


Its basically veg oil but with stuff added to make it ok to use.

http://www.pdm-group.co.uk/renewable...biodiesel.html

My uncle was MD of this firm till he retired this year. I was hoping for a few tankers full lmao

Turbo Zetec

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IMPORTANT INFORMATION.... YOU NEED TO READ THIS!!



right, vegetable oil is perfectly legal for road use and is easily converted for use in cars.

the easiest way to do it is either use a 50/50 mix with diesel, or use non kerosene based white spirit, 3ml every 1 litre of oil. if using the latter, its best to leave it for a week to break the oil down before using it.

if using second hand oil, its bedt to strain it through a 25 micron filter to remove all the bad bits.

now for the important bit:
YOU PAY NO TAX FOR THE FIRST 2500 LITRES USED, WHICH MEANS AT 40MPG, YOU COULD DO OVER 16,000 MILES TAX FREE!!!

there are articles on the net about this somewhere, do a google search for them

i hope this helps some people, as i only found all this out the other week

Micky The Finn

yes but where do you buy cheap vegtable oil?

Turbo Zetec

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the supermarket!?! way cheaper than diesel anyway! or get rid of it from your local chippy who usually have to pay to have it taken away!

Lee Reynolds

tesco. Works out about 45p per litre iirc. I ran my old escort van on it for a while but i got fed up with going getting cartons of veg oil and the stink of chips all the time

Rich_bloor

Thats the info i was after. wonder how much veg oil is at my local wholesalers. http://www.makro.co.uk/

neilm

I was just going to say, those of you who have businesses just go to your local cash and carry and buy neat, clean veg oil in catering drums.

A lot of the more modern diesels need the oil to be thinner so it atomises properly, thats when you mix in the non-kerosene based white spirit.

But on older diesels just chuck it in.

Neil Clark

BIO-DIESEL

Its 80p a litre near me, i run my 1998 Hackney taxi (london type) on it NEAT, no messing, no mixing

Saving me a fiver a day or £30 a week whichever like

radiant red

same boat mate, mobile mechanic costing me about £10 to £15 a day!!

But then its a 98 citroen with starship milage so something more up to date should pull a third or so back

Alan s1

My lorry has a 500/600lrt tank my car loves it But thats comint to a end soon as we have a new fuel set up and there notice if im not careful

cozzfather

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just keep your eyes peeled for bio, i personally can't tell the differance
between normal diesel and bio exept for the price, oh and bio is enviroment friendly, so its worth while
imo the cheesy old petrol stations that sell red and kerosene usually
have a pump with bio, you could always get the yellow pages out and ring around for a supplier.
i buy it totally legally and get a recipt

and that bollocks about red being crap makes me laugh, my mate has
2 brand new lambo tractors every couple of years,and they run it no probs.
and if you get caught running veggie home brew or red its at least a £500
fine, one lad i know got done at a car auction by customs,and they were
going to seize his car if he didn't pay up there and then

stevieturbo

Do you have a fuel account with a local oil supplier ?? They usually do deals for bulk buyers ?

I buy my diesel from one, and at the minute, they are 89p/l and thats with no account.

Apparently some brands of kitty litter can be used to remove the dye from red...never tried it myself though.

or as mentioned, the Thieving Gypsy Bastard types use acid to remove it...wont do your pump any favours though.

As for LPG....a few options.

big red propane cylinders are one, but perhaps awkward.

Getting an LPG tank at the house, for say your speedboats fuel supply, or LPG central heating ? generator ? then you wont have to pay the road duty on it, so it will get cheaper.
Obviously you would never then fill a car up from it

Alan s1

Well i can say 100% its not good on Landrover 90 TD5 my m8 found out the hard way He's a farmer and was using "abit" from time to time and it caused him alot of problems it cut out and was a bitch to start had to clean ALL the fuel lines new filter and get it to start on EASY START

So just becareful its ok on older motors as the fuel filters are'nt as fine as the newer motors

stevieturbo

I can safely say that that is bollox...

I know people who have used red for over 10 years, in cars from Rovers, to BMW's, to Mercs, Volvos etc etc and never a problem.
Even a lot of Taxi drivers too, van drivers.

Alan s1

WELL I CAN SAY 100% IT BUGGERED HIS LANDROVER TD5 AND WHEN SPOKE TO A LANDROVER DEALER AND THEY ASKED IF IT HAD USED RED as they have had the TD5s in before

andyt

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Red diesel WILL NOT damage a diesel engine

stevieturbo

But of course a car dealer fearing a warranty claim, will use any excuse.

Imagine all those diesel engines in expensive machinery, trains, boats getting destroyed by that terrible red diesel

oh, it doesnt do them any harm....

And I bet more Taxi drivers etc, are using it that a lot of people think. I know Ive seen them fill up in their brand new Merc etc over here.

Alan s1

Did'nt say it will HARM the engine It kust caused him alot of hassle IE getting it running again ect once it was all flushed out it was fine once he got it to start on easy start

andyt

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sorry mate, so what does buggered mean then