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Old 03-11-2007, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Chip....I feel that you are directly attacking me by calling me simple in your reply...

Please can you edit your post or I will be directing it to the attention of the mods.
I am indeed calling your knowledge of engines simple, I havent said it as clearly as you have in this thread though with your ridiculous claims, so NO I will not delete it.

The ONLY reason I have done so is because Alan has questioned me about why Im saying its frightening you leaving his business believing such rubbish, if I delete the reply to Alan saying that its obviously not his fault you are making guesses you arent educated enough to make, then it will again look to him like I am slandering him.

I believe the mods will support my right to reply to Alan in this instance.
Old 03-11-2007, 05:59 PM
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Alan and I get on just fine Chip so Im sure he will be cool.

I didnt say Alan at AVA told me my car lost 50 bhp so it must be true did i?
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Alan and I get on just fine Chip so Im sure he will be cool.

I didnt say Alan at AVA told me my car lost 50 bhp so it must be true did i?
When you start making claims and then backing it up with "We have monitored on the rollers."

YES thats exactly what you are implying.
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Chip, you wrote

Its perfectly possible that Euan is just too simple to really be trying to make conclusions on his own and didnt talk to you about it,

I can assure you that Im anything apart from simple....

This looks like a comment on me personally not on my knowledge of engines.
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Alan and I get on just fine Chip so Im sure he will be cool.

I didnt say Alan at AVA told me my car lost 50 bhp so it must be true did i?
When you start making claims and then backing it up with "We have monitored on the rollers."

YES thats exactly what you are implying.
Sorry, ALan monitored a power loss on the rollers.

hope that clears it up.


Old 03-11-2007, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Chip, you wrote

Its perfectly possible that Euan is just too simple to really be trying to make conclusions on his own and didnt talk to you about it,

I can assure you that Im anything apart from simple....

This looks like a comment on me personally not on my knowledge of engines.
Well then Euan I apologise completely to you and I would like to take this opportunity to clear up exactly what my statement meant.


Its only engines that I believe you to be lacking sufficient understanding about to be commenting about, for all I know your knowledge of Knitting or Cross Stitch or something else that I havent encountered may well be fantastic and I wouldnt like to imply otherwise.
Old 03-11-2007, 06:08 PM
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Thanks mate

Now away and jump on someone else's innaccurate commets
Old 03-11-2007, 06:08 PM
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on a side note this topic has taken me over 10k posts
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
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Alan and I get on just fine Chip so Im sure he will be cool.

I didnt say Alan at AVA told me my car lost 50 bhp so it must be true did i?
When you start making claims and then backing it up with "We have monitored on the rollers."

YES thats exactly what you are implying.
Sorry, ALan monitored a power loss on the rollers.

hope that clears it up.



But Alan did not monitor a power loss as a result of warmer fuel, you made that bit up.

In much the same way that if I put my car on the rollers with one plug lead missing and chris moyles on the radio, Alan may monitor a 50bhp drop in power while its on the rollers with chris moyles on the radio, but I wouldnt go around implying that meant chris moyles lost me power, I would chalk it down to the lead that was off instead.

My belief is this:
SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED TOO TO YOUR CAR OR THE ROLLERS ON THAT RUN BEYOND JUST FUEL TEMP

By you saying "Alan saw 50bhp difference when my fuel was cooler" you are NOT portraying the situation accurately, and worse still are implying that Alan's belief was that it was the fuel losing you power too.
Old 03-11-2007, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt J
Yet another thread turned to shit by the post whore
Beat me to it,i was just thinking that

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Originally Posted by Matt J
Yet another thread turned to shit by the post whore
By "turned to shit" you mean "corrected for technical innacuracies" presumabley?


As if it wasnt for my intervention in this thread, Euan possibly wouldnt have learnt he was wrong about the fuel situation and many others may have believed his nonsense too.
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Originally Posted by B16 YBB
Originally Posted by Matt J
Yet another thread turned to shit by the post whore
Beat me to it,i was just thinking that

mark
That becuase neither of you know or care about engines, so all you see is the arguing and not the very good reasons behind it, Im not dumbing down my posts to suit the less clued up members of the site, I enjoy tehcnical discussions on here and wont stop doing so cause you dont, if you dont like my replies scroll past them.
Old 03-11-2007, 06:12 PM
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I do now believe that I got my figures wrong but stick by my comment that Alan monitored a loss in power due to fuel temps.
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Originally Posted by Matt J
its just the way you go about it that makes you come across as a complete cunt, it turned to shit the minute you offered to go all the way up to AVA to prove he was wrong by testing with different temp fuel.

Bit of tact and a little less direct character asassination might help slightly.
Nonsense, only finally now after my very blunt replies has it finally sunk into Euan that he is mistaken, if I wasnt so forceful with the facts, he would still be misguided.

YOU are the one that is contributing nothing but spam to this thread, not me.

My posts may not be in a style that you enjoy, but it doesnt change the fact they belong in this post because they have tecnical merit, you continual following me around the board informing everyone you dont like me is of NO merit whatsoever IMHO as its not relevant to the discussion.

If you wish to tell me something, then I think it would be better if you do it by PM so it doesnt fill the board with this sort of nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Matt J
PMSL @ scrolling past your posts, that would be about 95% of the thread then

Yes, the 95% where we actually establish the truth about something that happens with engines, if that doesnt interest you, then go and read a cartoon or something.
Old 03-11-2007, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt J
its just the way you go about it that makes you come across as a complete cunt, it turned to shit the minute you offered to go all the way up to AVA to prove he was wrong by testing with different temp fuel.

Bit of tact and a little less direct character asassination might help slightly.

PMSL @ scrolling past your posts, that would be about 95% of the thread then


regards mark
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
I do now believe that I got my figures wrong but stick by my comment that Alan monitored a loss in power due to fuel temps.
No, thats NOT quite what Alan monitored.

What he monitored was "A loss in power due to more than one factor, possibly including fuel temp"

You have absolutely and categorically NOT conducted an experiment where you have monitored the effects of fuel temp, and neither did Alan on this occaison (although may have at some point as he is obviously a clued up guy)
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Originally Posted by B16 YBB
Originally Posted by Matt J
its just the way you go about it that makes you come across as a complete cunt, it turned to shit the minute you offered to go all the way up to AVA to prove he was wrong by testing with different temp fuel.

Bit of tact and a little less direct character asassination might help slightly.

PMSL @ scrolling past your posts, that would be about 95% of the thread then


regards mark
Yet another completely worthless spam post in a technical thread by one of the regular PF bandwagon jumpers who are incapable of joining in the forum usefully it would appear.
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Originally Posted by Matt J
what bollocks are you on about now? following you around the board

I think I've only posted on this thread and the thread about Phils car sale exploits which you have recently, the only reason it may seem like I'm "following" you is becasue I like to read threads regardless of whether I can add to them, those I cant add to I learn from, my trouble is I just cant ignore your posting style.

Makes me laugh cause you were soon on the moral high horse regarding the car sale yet you dont think twice about insulting someone just to win a pathetic argument, irony at its best.

carry on.


Alan challenged me on my post, so I expanded it with further detail about the possible reasons that Euan could leave Ava believing a load of nonsense and implying to others that it was Ava's findings.

You and Mark between have now added half a page of posts to a technical thread, without ANY of them having any technical merit whatsoever.

If you want to talk to me about me, kindly do so by PM so as not to cause this sort of disruption to a techncial thread.
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by B16 YBB
Originally Posted by Matt J
its just the way you go about it that makes you come across as a complete cunt, it turned to shit the minute you offered to go all the way up to AVA to prove he was wrong by testing with different temp fuel.

Bit of tact and a little less direct character asassination might help slightly.

PMSL @ scrolling past your posts, that would be about 95% of the thread then


regards mark
Yet another completely worthless spam post in a technical thread by one of the regular PF bandwagon jumpers who are incapable of joining in the forum usefully it would appear.
its true though mate, its your style of writing/posting, your doing a good job of pissing everyone off on DW too, ive had a few PMs about it so far (mods and normal folk) as its obvious i know you and wondered what the crack was.
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Alan, another post where Euan speaks about findings made at Ava is here:

https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...643&highlight=

Im not expressing any opinion wether its right or wrong what he is saying in that thread as I dont feel qualified to draw that conclusion, but I just thought it may interest you that Euan reguarly posts the sort of thing that he has in this thread with regards to him putting forward the opinion of your company and im sure reguarly people draw the same conclusion that I did here about how he could have left your company thinking some of the things he does.
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if there was 50 bhp to be gained or loosed,,,,you should be correcting for it

if its 2 bhp,,,, i dont think we'll bother with the correction,,,, ummm now which one is it?
Old 03-11-2007, 07:22 PM
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oh! no what have i started here
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
if there was 50 bhp to be gained or loosed,,,,you should be correcting for it

if its 2 bhp,,,, i dont think we'll bother with the correction,,,, ummm now which one is it?
Correcting for it?

Im not taking figures as that gets me in trouble with Chip...

needless to say it was a noticable amount.
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if its noticeable,,, it SHOULD be corrected for!

unless you are wasting your time monitoring it
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corrected for in what way?

I dont really need to put a fuel cooler on the car as it never driven hard with less than half a tank on the road..
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heres my fuel temp correction map



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You mean correct it with the map...

By having a fuel temp senosr and thn adding more fuel as the temp rises?
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
corrected for in what way?

I dont really need to put a fuel cooler on the car as it never driven hard with less than half a tank on the road..
ah right,, so its just the amount of fuel you have in the tank which dictates the temperature of it
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if the car runs plenty fuel in the tank then its cool.
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
if the car runs plenty fuel in the tank then its cool.
under ANY conditions? it may take longer to heat a larger amount of liquid but on a very hot day it (a full tank)will still be able to exceed the temp of a quarter of a tank on a cold day.
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Thats what I mean mate...

I know the fuel is still being heated but it takes to long to heat that its unoticable..
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
It makes a difference, but not a huge one, and even less so on a more basic spec of car.
So how come the Germans use them on alot of there tdi engines i have often wondered about this an what gain s that they must get from them ?
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Originally Posted by gym-rst
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
It makes a difference, but not a huge one, and even less so on a more basic spec of car.
So how come the Germans use them on alot of there tdi engines i have often wondered about this an what gain s that they must get from them ?
Because without them, the pressures involved would mean the fuel being VERY hot and that starts to change the flash point, so all they are doing is trying to get it back down to "normal" temps.

Dont confuse common rail diesel with petrol injection, very different situations.
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i was really enjoying this post untill the guys that started with chip entered ot ffs get over it..you dont like him or his replys..dont read them..dont stop the rest of us being educated just beacuse you want to fcuk around
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if someone claims such a major significance in power for a particular issue on a forum such as this then imo it deserves to be challenged. complaining about the style of the challenger or indeed about whether the challenger is correct is a side show compared to the central issue: IS THE CLAIM VALID


Quick Reply: cooler the fuel the more power it produces?any body coment?



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