boXXer

Hiya everyone. I was just wondering what would be the best stg1 chip to go for? either traders on this site, or advertisers in the ford magazines. Im basically after the chip, and a -31 act.

Anyone had any good personal experiences with the chips? i just dont wanna see my engine due to detting/overfuelling.

Cheers for your help guys.....
Mike

SapphyMike

Hi Mike,

I had an NMS (Karl Norris) Stage 1 gunship style chip fitted in April. I also have a T34 and 4x4 Intercooler.

All i can say is it really made my car go well. Shame i'm used to it already, but i'll be in for Stage 3 in April again

My car runs 20psi, then drops to a bar at 6k rpm.

Jim Galbally

www.motorsport-developments.co.uk / sales@remapping.co.uk / 01253 508400

www.norrismororsport.co.uk

NMS do a "stage1 gunship" like mine said, but these aren't suitable for everyone...

the MSD chip will be fine for you, and they do a bundle with all the things you need like -31 etc. etc. worth getting it all fitted+setup by a pro you're looking at Ł200 for the chip+actuator from MSD

Ian2wdsaffcos

Personally I would go with Motorsport Developments in Blackpool if I were you, I was very pleased with everything I had done there. My car went like fuck when I got a chip & setup done by them, far quicker than the Castle Performance one that was already in there..........plus it passed MOT's

CabrioTurbo

Gunship, Gunship, Gunship!

boXXer

i like the idea of the gunship, but im trying to make it an economical (if thats possbile ) driveable car. Plus im trying to keep it standard as possible, so i dont wanna be changing intercoolers and stuff like that. Cheers for your replies, theyve been very helpful. Keep them coming.

Mike

SapphyMike

you dont need to change the intercooler, i just chose to

I've used more fuel, but then i keep putting my foot down

My car is very drivable, as i have the standard compression ratio. You can use it on your T3 providing it is in good condition, as well as the rest of the engine!

Matt

i think tiffs and pops performance figures speak for themselves

boXXer

anyone got the figures i could have a look at?

Cheers
Mike

Paddy

boXXer - I live in Camberley/Farnborough and made the trip to Karl for Stage 1 on my S2. I can't reccommend him enough mate, it's WELL worth the journey

TIFF

Hello Mate

Me and Pops both run (well i did till i went stage 4) Gunship Stage 1 conversions on our Cossie's and the cars were proven to be FAST

Performance Ford did a feature on both of them and we were running mid 5's to 60, 13 second quater mile times and top speeds of 157mph PROVEN.

The cars are faster than stage 3 convertions as you can see in the Tech Spec in Performance Ford

My car was MUCH better on Fuel once it had the conversion done than it was from standard.

Look on the Norris Motorsport web site

www.norrismotorsport.co.uk

boXXer

cool. Sounds good.
Paddy: where do you all meet up in berkshire? im in windsor so im not too far away.

Cheers
Mike

RS500/364

a1rallysport
cost Ł150 setup say no more

robhaugen

How is that gunship chip and the performance with that one? and is the gunship the stage 1+ ?
What's the cost on those?

I would need a chip for L8 4x4 with cat setup even though i have a 3dr... i have all kind of bastardparts on the car...

TIFF

Rob

The Gunship is the Stage 1+ on Karls website mate

ImaRacing 700

Get an SECS S8 ecu and i will map it for you

Its Karl or Stu mate...if you are getting a chip with setup..go to whoever is closest.

BUT if its DIY tuff fookin call .In this case i'd spin a coin to be fair to both.

TIFF

@ You Phil

Dave Henshall

justa quicky on this... ive read the nms site about hte stg1+ chip, and syas it boosts upto 22 psi - is this on std injectors?

i always thought that 14.5 to 15 psi was the max boost on these injecotrs on a cossie? or is that 14.5 to 15 psi the max boost at full revs, not midrange as the site says, ?

ImaRacing 700

Dave...thats the mid range figures!..Tails off to a safe limit....i think its also got something to do with the mulltipliers aswell but aint sure

TIFF

Mid-range the boost is 22psi + but like you say at higher revs it drops to 15-16psi

I did 4000mile in mine when it was on the convesion and it never missed a beat. That was with a few TOP SPEED runs at brunters and "Private roads" and many launchs

IMHO THE best conversion for a Cossie, i miss it still and i am now on T34 with Greys

robhaugen

yeah, i'll call you when i need it mapped...
if you were talking to me that is...

the one's that are closest to me? well, i guess if i take the trip a couple of hundred miles either way wouldn't matter..

i have to get a premade chip anyways.. the gunship thingie sounds cool atleast.. don't know if it is but it sounds cool to brag to the mates that i've got a proper gunship engine...

and all the IMAstuff, i mean DIYstuff, i'd be doing is mounting the chip anywho..

Dave Henshall

this sounds so good and obvious then, how come its not been explored before..? could a similar idea be used with greens then and give a third gear snapping wollop of midrange trque in the midrange?

Karl

Yes Dave the same mapping principle can be done with any car on any injectors. The reason I think it has'nt been done before is because there are'nt that many tuners out there who actually write their own chips from scratch, so simply have never bothered to explore the limits of the std car, when its easier and gives more profit to sell someone 803's, a 3 bar and off the shelf chip.

Dave Henshall

"i see" said the blind mad

so as a rule of thumb,, where do the generic maps come from, when stu for example live maps a car, it it basically tweaking a base map to match the car, or is it starting from scratch to gie the best power/drivabilty/emmisions compromise?

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Sorry, but your siggy has totally put me off what i was going to say!!


ROFLMFAO @ THAT

Dave Henshall

Karl

LOL at your sig.

I can't answer for Stu, but I have my own base maps that I use in each broadly categorised car (usually categorised by injector and compression ratio) and then modify my base maps on an individual basis for each car, until its ideal for the exact spec of the engine.

If of course like is most common you have a car with the same or similar spec to another I've mapped then we'll start with that base map and go from there as it's much easier.

I'm sure Stu will agree with this but, the vast majority of cossies fall into this category where by one of our existing chips will suit, and just need minor alteration to suit any slight differences. It's only when you get an engine thats wildly different or on huge injectors that you really need to start from a fresh base map.

Dave Henshall

but a gunship type map could be adapted for greens/3bar etc,, have u tried it yet?

Karl

Have I tried what?

Dave Henshall

a mega boost midrange map on greens?

ImaRacing 700

Dave....my very own stage 3 conversion had a 2 bar mid range peak and then a held 1.7bar........it was weird,it felt like a huge hand giving you a push and then power dropping off to normal stage 3

Paddy

Boxxer - we meet at the Bull in Arborfield on the dates below, PM me if you want directions or if you'd like to meet up before to follow

We're sorting out a few other things for the Berkshire Branch, I'll put a post up later

Dave Henshall

so phil, how have u mapped the fuelling etc to match the boost midrange?

RichardPON

Dave,

My brother has a 7.8:1, greens, T34 saff cossie.

It was built with an off the shelf chip (I presume Ahmed) and it ran fine, and was a really quick driveable car.

Karl remapped it not so long ago, and it is now like driving a completely different car! I cannot stress what a difference it makes - the mid range boost is awesome - I've never been in a Stage 3 car like it, and I have a Stage 3 saff!

Dave Henshall

but my ahmed chip is on a pectel board on a P8, these can't be remapped "easilly" so would i be best selling that , after having a custom live mapped chip fitted without baby board?

ImaRacing 700

Dave..i cheated i upped the fuel pressure on a Collins chip......BUT to be honest if you have an open ended chip you can run as much boost as you want anywhere aslong as you have the fuelling!...I just played a little safe as i was holding 1.7bar at the redline ..done 8000miles like it then i wanted more bhp so rebuilt...the pistons were mint no det anywhere

That was 7.8-1 t34.48 4xgreens

Dave Henshall

but if u upped the fuel pressue to meet the demad at full boost, does that noke make it rich when at idle etc ?

ImaRacing 700

Dave...i used the FSE...which only enriched on boost....BUT it dont work or greys as Stu tested it...but does work on greens only a touch though but was enuff not to cause me any probs.

Dave Henshall

cool - might have a p8 board and chip up for sale soon then

Matt

could always try a mega boost mid range map on gerys