Paddy

DON'T WRITE ANY LETTERS BEFORE YOU CONTACT THE OFT/TRADING STANDARDS.

You could shoot yourself in the foot.

Ring them tomorrow, get a reference number and the name of who you talk to.

fordsportjay

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good advice mate

Paddy

The problem is mate, there's too many barrack room lawyers about that claim to know everything and know the total sum of fuck all and in turn they fill people's heads full of unsubstantiated shit!

When my teeth hurt I go to a dentist, when I feel ill I go to a doctor, when I have a legal problem.... I do a bunk

He never gave you the opportunity to fix it.

End of story as far as I'm concerned. Especially as all the expensive work he had done didn't even cure the problem from what I understand?

dangerbrian

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as above mate you both signed on the dotted line sold as seen

Chip

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Vids?

fordsportjay

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its not a pretty sight mate

ill have to get her 16 year old daughter to join in........hang on,im her stepdad!

Paddy

"Sold as Seen" doesn't mean anything [it is in fact illegal for a business to use restrictive comments like this on signs or receipts] unless it's inspected by an "expert" or someone deemed to know what they're looking for... a mechanic, MOT tester etc....

In which case it becomes a Trade Sale and should be written on the receipt to avoid any ambiguity....

...and this was written on the receipt.

But even THEN it's not exactly black and white.

foreigneRS

so many ignorant cunts do that sort of thing - why do they think the diagnostic procedures were invented in the first place?

RWD_cossie_wil

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lol and I can't spell either by the looks of it

Paddy

Because 90% of the people that work in main dealers are thick as fuck "plug-n-play-technicians-come-fitters" rather than properly trained mechanics?

Only pussies use diagnostics! Real men just need a screwdriver with a lightbulb in the end!

Chip

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fordsportjay

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behave yourself chip.....

Chip

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LOL

Paddy

Too old for chip!

But dead centre of my age range so PICS OR STFU!

ben_frst

first off do not send any money as you may aswell be admitting fault be firm from the start the car is sold as seen

dojj

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i think they were trying to diagnose which procedures they wern't going to foolow while trying to stick jay up for a few quid

Garage19

Was the garage Landspeed by any chance?

If so what colour was the M3? Dark Blue?

Was the guy that bought it a bit posh?

3i_gaz

its an n-reg car and he payed trade money, some people expect far too much from a used car whether its bought off a dealer or not.

what a penis if he had half a clue in the 1st place he would of told the so called "specialist" to get fucked when the bill came in at over a grand and was found out to be a lambda sensor fault.

what a grade A penis.

jay ps

Please note dont tell him to fuck off ,you may regret it

Trade sale is illegal to use in the motor trade and there is now no such thing as sold as seen unless its through a motor trade auction
Ebay according to my sources doesnt count .

Saying that you ARE responsible for the first six months as a "motor dealer " against any major fault occuring and the rectification work to fix them.
Ive had this happen a couple of times and my legal advice given was to pay a sum towards costs to avoid court and huge costs awarded against me .
I cant see how any legal eagle would expect you to pay for a car you didnt get the chance to see and fix ,but we live in Britain and anything is possible
Its seems the law is designed to protect these scumbags and i personally think this is a scam to get money from you .
Please take legal advice before you go any further
I had to pay out for a steeering rack and air con pump on a £4k Volvo V70 two years ago that cost me loads against the car and i settled out of court to avoid paying court costs and the repair bill at Volvos

Carlsworth

not read all the thread, cause i cant be arsed....

but one thing that stands out is

"cleared all fault codes"
then later on "oxygen sensor fault" code




hi bud its jay
FUCK OFF

bye



carl

m_nettleship

LOL

Same problem as my bro has with his 3.0 litre, the vans is supposed to be bullet proof on the 3.0, and the 3.2 is were the problems are.

So his had a hesatation prob, didnt go down the vanos route, spent nearly £2000 tryin to find it,, new lambas etc etc,, even then had the vanos re sealed etc. it wasent till he got hold of a diffrent vanos unit it cleared up.

But i dnt really like bms, but 4 300bhp, the chassis and handlin were mint, well impressed, Take alot of power to shake one of ur arse, with a decent driver.

Well thought i wud contribute. Good Luck.

Kevin Sharp

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the fact he went to someone else and autourised the repairs before contacting you means you can simply wash your hands of it

vendor should have the opportunity to rectify any faults......so tell him to fuck off


ps...stop selling sheds

dangerbrian

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i know what you getting at but at the end of the day he went and looked at the car test drove it then looked at again then bought it and was happy with it what ever happens to the car after the sale his own problem ive bought cars in the past then found problems with it and never went back to the previous owner and complained

3i_gaz

6 months?

i thought it was 3 months you had to give with a trade sale minimum

Micky The Finn

agree with kev on this one,but just one question jay.has he tried calling you and you ignored his call?or ignored private numbers etc?if so he could say he tried to contact you with no response,if he hasn't then you should be ok,

BUT if he does file it in court you cannot stop the legal process,once its started unless he drops it you will have to see it through and defend your self,total nitemare and un neccesary but out of your control.

next time you have a "trade sale" you sell it as "spares or repairs"that way you dont have to stand on future repairs.

the garage selling the jeep has no relevence in this case and i would just drop that now as your only adding to the confusion,what they do is nothing to do with you,if they are in the wrong they are in the wrong but have not sold eother of you a car so its 100% irellevent,your only going to wind them up,then they mite back your problem customer up even more just to get back at you.

if the car had a misfire due to faulty coil pack etc then this could well have damage the lambda sensor could it not?

why not ring him and say you think the garage are at fault for not diagnosing the fault correctly first and his gripe should be with them for carrying out work that was not required.he mite switch his attact to them if you do a bit of smooth talking with him to get him to aggree with you and blame them,sometimes being nice and friendly pays dividends.

dojj

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me thinks that the buyer and the garage are possibly in cahoots with each other, which is why he's after jay's money

fordsportjay

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i think the easiest thing to do is to ring trading standards this morning before replying.
each incident is different in the eyes of trading standards,so ill see what they say and advice they give.


by the way garage 19
yes,yes and yes.

Micky The Finn

jay,garage 19 asked you 4 questions.

fordsportjay

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even if this is the case-there has not been a major fault on the car,has there?apart from the steering wheel slightly out of alignment

fordsportjay

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...........and yes

Micky The Finn

wheel aglignement could have been him clipping a kerb once he left you,that would not stand up in any court,

if this does go to court an engineer would back you up by saying any of the "faults" could be caused by contaminated fuel,or over revving or abuse of the vehicle by accident or otherwise.

nothing here holds any water with regards blaming you for the faults especially after a fair time scale and milage covered.
its just the cost to clear your name that are the shitty thing.

Jb's ladie

i wouldnt even give him the £100

fordsportjay

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its just all annoying,i know there was nothing wrong with that car as i was using it myself for a while.i then sold it to a mate of mine who loved it but couldnt get 3 baby seats in the back ,so he then bought an impreza off me.
i then used it again for a couple of weeks before selling it.

The Rapid 1

What does this "trade sale" actually mean as want to look at a car and it states this in the advert

Cheers

Steve

fordsportjay

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just had a legthy conversation with trading standards who have told me he is completely out of order and has no right whatsoever to try to claim the money back from me.

he broke any agreement we had by taking the car elsewhere rather than give me my legal right to inspect/repair the car myself if there was an issue that was not along the lines of wear and tear on an old car.

because he went into an agreement with another party to repair the car without my consent he has to pay the lot.

they have told me i shouldnt even offer him the gesture of £100 as i am not obliged to pay anything,but if i state its a gesture and not an admission then i could-but they told me not to.

very helpful indeed and nice to know they work for both sides.

The Rapid 1

BUT what is a "trade sale" what it actually mean ?

With/without warranty ?

Help

Steve

RWD_cossie_wil

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fordsportjay

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i have just had this reply from the garage that did the repairs on the m3 regarding the jeep they have for sale as a "trade sale"

Good Morning Jason,


The Jeep is for sale on a sold as seen basis, no warranty given or implied. The sale includes MOT until 10.06.2008 and tax until 1.1.2008.


Hope that helps, please do not hesiate to call us if you would like a test drive.


good job he never bought the m3 from them

Chip

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Im not sure there is really a clear definition in law of it TBH, so its probably effectively meaningless.

But basically its supposed to imply that you are selling it to someone else in the trade who will be capable of fixing any minor niggles before selling it on to a final consumer.
The crucial difference is meant to be that the consumer rights you have in terms of something being "fit for purpose" wouldnt actually refer to the car being fit for use on the road, as you havent sold it to be used, you have sold it to a trader who will then sell it on to be used.

As I said though, Ive no knowledge of any precedant in law as to wether writing that on the receipt really has the intended effect in the eyes of a court of law.

The Rapid 1

Cheers Chip

So in affect it like buying private in that the sellor, who is actually a trader, doesnt have to give any sort of warranty on it.

Where as normaly a trader has to offer "some" sort of warranty

Steve