Cocked up really bad.......UPDATE - Back together & runn
24-09-2007, 09:37 AM
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Cocked up really bad.......UPDATE - Back together & runn
Finally got my newly rebuilt engine back in the Quadra on Saturday evening, started first time, ran it at 3000rpm to bed the cam in for 15mins, fans all kicked in a couple of times everything seemed groovy!! Took it out for a test spin came back everything still seemed great - checked the header cap & there was a bit of mayo in there.....odd I thought but it has just been rebuilt & have seen this before so didnt think much of it.
Did 250miles in her yesterday - paid a quick visit to Dingy, had a coffee & a shit at his LOL, then got off, everything again seemed hunky dory, shoved 18psi down & her she goes very well - boost threshold is a little high - boost doesnt come in till 3500-4000 but when it does, its off like a rocket!!!
Then I got home & checked everything again, still mayo in the cap & could see it in the underside of the rocker, and I'd lost from the max to the min amount of water & I then found a liner seal that somehow I'd inadvertantly 'forgotten' to fit to one of the new steel liners - that explains it then.......I really wanna punch myself in the kipper for being a complete & utter COCK - cant believe I'd forget summat like that.
So anyway.....4 days till I go away in it, just ordered another thicker uprated headgasket from France on express delivery - I hope to have it Wednesday/Thursday so then I can take the head off, fit the liner seal & rebuild it & have it ready for Thursday evening for Belgium where I'm taking it to get remapped!!
Nothing is ever simple!!!!
Did 250miles in her yesterday - paid a quick visit to Dingy, had a coffee & a shit at his LOL, then got off, everything again seemed hunky dory, shoved 18psi down & her she goes very well - boost threshold is a little high - boost doesnt come in till 3500-4000 but when it does, its off like a rocket!!!
Then I got home & checked everything again, still mayo in the cap & could see it in the underside of the rocker, and I'd lost from the max to the min amount of water & I then found a liner seal that somehow I'd inadvertantly 'forgotten' to fit to one of the new steel liners - that explains it then.......I really wanna punch myself in the kipper for being a complete & utter COCK - cant believe I'd forget summat like that.
So anyway.....4 days till I go away in it, just ordered another thicker uprated headgasket from France on express delivery - I hope to have it Wednesday/Thursday so then I can take the head off, fit the liner seal & rebuild it & have it ready for Thursday evening for Belgium where I'm taking it to get remapped!!
Nothing is ever simple!!!!
Nothing like leaving it til the last minute 
24-09-2007, 10:39 AM
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Very blonde moment that tho mate.......really soul destroying!!! What is really more annoying is that if my liner seals had been sat ontop of my workbench rather than me putting them under it I'd of clocked that there was still one left remaining!!!!
Plus its cost me another Ł120 or so for another gasket - I was going to pikey it & use the one thats on there again as its only done 250 miles but then knowing my luck it wont work so its not worth it! LOL!
Bloody cars!!!
Plus its cost me another Ł120 or so for another gasket - I was going to pikey it & use the one thats on there again as its only done 250 miles but then knowing my luck it wont work so its not worth it! LOL!
Bloody cars!!!
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24-09-2007, 10:46 AM
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I done something very blonde with mine over the a weekend a week ago...... Left the boost vacumn pipe off of the ECU 
Pop....... heads just been checked and its all sweet, straight as a still....Phew!
I dunno what boost it runs with that pipe off, but fuck me it went some
Pop....... heads just been checked and its all sweet, straight as a still....Phew!
I dunno what boost it runs with that pipe off, but fuck me it went some
24-09-2007, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
explain why you are ging all the way to chocolatesville to get it mapped when stu is quite literaly on your doorstep please 
and top marks for soptting the bit you left out before it went kaplowiee big style
and top marks for soptting the bit you left out before it went kaplowiee big style
I doubt it would of fucked the engine anyway as it only lost from the max to the min line of coolant in 250miles but its far from ideal as its mixing - the oil is still very fresh & clean & its just evaporating off inside the rocker cover!!
Ryan.....tell me about it - but after driving it yesterday - I'd found the love again....well up until I'd realised what I'd done - but I can hardly blame the car for the mixing if a seal isnt there thats supposed to be!!! LOL! Other than that the car was going well....no surge or anything anymore either.
Lambchop - no, different bloke mate.
Gonna strip it tonight & hope that I get the gasket in time. Wont take long to do its just a complete ballache, maybe I should just velcro everything inplace quick release stylee!!!!
24-09-2007, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
explain why you are ging all the way to chocolatesville to get it mapped when stu is quite literaly on your doorstep please
and top marks for soptting the bit you left out before it went kaplowiee big style
and top marks for soptting the bit you left out before it went kaplowiee big style
24-09-2007, 09:10 PM
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Well...update time.....
Quite literally whipped the head off this evening in double quick time - 50mins & that included taking the bonnet off for easier access! LOL!
....and what I found was quite interesting......infact perhaps me not fitting the liner seal was a blessing in disguise....
This is how my 2.1mm uprated headgasket now looks like....
On cylinder 1 its blown the firering out diagnonally downwards....cylinder 2 its elongated the firerings which then in turn as mis-shapen the top of cylinder 3!!!!
Strangely enough the car still ran mint, didnt overheat, didnt pressurise & didnt misfire! LOL! Good job I took it apart anyway otherwise the mapping session in Belgium would certainly of blown it completely!!!
I believe I know wot caused it but what in peoples opinions think may of caused it???
Quite literally whipped the head off this evening in double quick time - 50mins & that included taking the bonnet off for easier access! LOL!
....and what I found was quite interesting......infact perhaps me not fitting the liner seal was a blessing in disguise....
This is how my 2.1mm uprated headgasket now looks like....
On cylinder 1 its blown the firering out diagnonally downwards....cylinder 2 its elongated the firerings which then in turn as mis-shapen the top of cylinder 3!!!!
Strangely enough the car still ran mint, didnt overheat, didnt pressurise & didnt misfire! LOL! Good job I took it apart anyway otherwise the mapping session in Belgium would certainly of blown it completely!!!
I believe I know wot caused it but what in peoples opinions think may of caused it???
24-09-2007, 09:40 PM
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looks like the cylinder pressure has pushed them out IMO it looks a poor design in the fact that there is so little "meat" around the firing ring next to the cooling jacket gallerys.. fook knows how to fix that..
steve
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problem is though if its lack of support in the gasket, what are your options for other gaskets?
24-09-2007, 09:50 PM
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peevee - nope strangely enough it wasnt that one missing the seal - it was the cylinder 3 (left of pic)....
Heres another pic....you can see its had room to crease!!
I agree that the cylinder pressure has pushed it out which leads me to either think....
1.) My torque wrench is fooooked (odd but possible its not that old either!)
2.) I hadnt re-torqued the head down again after running it up like recommended BUT I've never done this in the past until I've done about 1000miles usually and its been fine in the past!!
Chip......this it basically the king of 21T gaskets - thickest strongest one you can get from France.
Jamz - not copper - 'Treated inox' apparently.
Bloody cars!!!
Heres another pic....you can see its had room to crease!!
I agree that the cylinder pressure has pushed it out which leads me to either think....
1.) My torque wrench is fooooked (odd but possible its not that old either!)
2.) I hadnt re-torqued the head down again after running it up like recommended BUT I've never done this in the past until I've done about 1000miles usually and its been fine in the past!!
Chip......this it basically the king of 21T gaskets - thickest strongest one you can get from France.
Jamz - not copper - 'Treated inox' apparently.
Bloody cars!!!
24-09-2007, 09:55 PM
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Good luck Lee, you deserve a break with that damn car!
My lodger did a rebuild on his Cossie lump years ago. Craned it all back into the car and did it all up.
Then saw the rear crankshaft oil seal still in the gasket pack
Engine out again, seal in, engine back in again. Still going strong 3 years later
Sure things will be the same for you, bit of graft now will be worth it when it starts to make the numbers
Si
My lodger did a rebuild on his Cossie lump years ago. Craned it all back into the car and did it all up.
Then saw the rear crankshaft oil seal still in the gasket pack
Engine out again, seal in, engine back in again. Still going strong 3 years later
Sure things will be the same for you, bit of graft now will be worth it when it starts to make the numbers
Si
24-09-2007, 10:05 PM
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Maybe so......BUT thats how they are standard & I've NEVER seen a standard one go like that ever & they are thinner!!! Problem is you cant really get any more meat around that cylinder due to the design of the water jacket etc. Also the next 3 cylinders have mis-shapen too & they've got more meat!!!
Also could it be possible that it just is TOO thick for the application so actually weakens the joins??
Also could it be possible that it just is TOO thick for the application so actually weakens the joins??
24-09-2007, 10:07 PM
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Other problem you have changing the design at all of course, is the extra bit wouldnt be under any pressure from the head and block, so would be of very limited support.
fuck it, given the timescales just get another one on there and get on with it without thinking too much mate, might be ok this time
fuck it, given the timescales just get another one on there and get on with it without thinking too much mate, might be ok this time
24-09-2007, 10:11 PM
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Also.....the head eventually gets torqued down to 70lb/ft (95nm) in the 3rd stage of tightening - how does this compare to other performance car cylinder head tightening torque - should I perhaps be contemplating tightening it up more than standard considering what I've done to the engine & what I'm asking it to do???
24-09-2007, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
thats about 15lbft less than most, but if the head bolts are thinner that might be for the best!
can you get an ARP kit for it?
can you get an ARP kit for it?
ARP kit.....not a chance! LOL!
24-09-2007, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Also.....the head eventually gets torqued down to 70lb/ft (95nm) in the 3rd stage of tightening - how does this compare to other performance car cylinder head tightening torque - should I perhaps be contemplating tightening it up more than standard considering what I've done to the engine & what I'm asking it to do???
Tis very strange in such a short time, is deffo not clamping the fire ring sufficiently mate, but without knowing about wet liner set ups i can't really comment. But, i take it the liners sit on the o rings, so move a little when the head is tightened down. Are you sure your new liners are the correct length? May be worth a check while you have the one out.
Hope my 2 penneth may help, but if not good luck mate, and if you need a hand give me a bell mate, i'll pop up
24-09-2007, 10:37 PM
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The bolts arent classed as stretch bolts mate for the 21T!!
Yeah thats correct they sit on the O ring - will check the height of them against a old one or two I have here just to make sure - if they are wrong then a certain company is going to get a serious bollocking!!!
Cheers for the offer of help fella - will let you know how I get on!!!
Yeah thats correct they sit on the O ring - will check the height of them against a old one or two I have here just to make sure - if they are wrong then a certain company is going to get a serious bollocking!!!
Cheers for the offer of help fella - will let you know how I get on!!!
