General Car Related Discussion. To discuss anything that is related to cars and automotive technology that doesnt naturally fit into another forum catagory.

uprated gearbox for a 4x4 saph

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 18-09-2007 | 12:14 PM
  #1  
warrenja1's Avatar
warrenja1
Thread Starter
I'm Finding My Feet Here Now
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 109
Likes: 0
From: ireland
Default uprated gearbox for a 4x4 saph

Hi
Im looking for a gearbox for my cossie which would be well capable of handling 500bhp and many full throttle launches The car will be used for 1/4 miles and some normal driving.

Can anyone recommend anything or know where i would even find one. Im not really sure what my options are.
Are there many uprated gear kits available for cossies. I wont mind building the box myself if i could get hold of the bits.

Also, sequential would be the prefered option but H pattern might have to do if it comes down to my budget limitations!

Thanks
Old 18-09-2007 | 12:18 PM
  #2  
Billabong's Avatar
Billabong
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 9,076
Likes: 0
From: Northants
Default

Try Martin Hadland @ Reyland:

H-pattern uprated gearkit: http://www.reyland.co.uk/Details.asp?ProductID=132

'Skyline' conversion: http://www.reyland.co.uk/Details.asp?ProductID=69

Otherwise, I guess you're looking at ex-motorsport 'boxes like FFD etc.

You'll be needing to look at uprating your diff's too if launching.
Old 18-09-2007 | 12:23 PM
  #3  
Spiky's Avatar
Spiky
Professional Waffler
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 26,931
Likes: 0
From: Cardiff
Default Re: uprated gearbox for a 4x4 saph

Originally Posted by warrenja1
it comes down to my budget limitations!

Thanks

thats your limiting factor


as bill's post

depending on your budget,
Old 18-09-2007 | 02:37 PM
  #4  
warrenja1's Avatar
warrenja1
Thread Starter
I'm Finding My Feet Here Now
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 109
Likes: 0
From: ireland
Default

I meant budget was the deciding factor for the gearbox.


I have allowed for the cost of upgraded diffs already
Old 18-09-2007 | 02:53 PM
  #5  
rog's Avatar
rog
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 8,275
Likes: 69
From: Aberdeen
Default

What about the "mullet" box I've heard about, does anyone have more info on that?
Old 18-09-2007 | 03:03 PM
  #6  
Billabong's Avatar
Billabong
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 9,076
Likes: 0
From: Northants
Default

First link in my post above is the "Mullet 'box"
Old 18-09-2007 | 03:08 PM
  #7  
rog's Avatar
rog
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 8,275
Likes: 69
From: Aberdeen
Default

Ah ok, it doesn't say, i did wonder. Ta.

Trending Topics

Old 18-09-2007 | 03:09 PM
  #8  
andrewg's Avatar
andrewg
PassionFord Post Troll
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,552
Likes: 1
From: ayrshire
Default

try bara motorsport they do one .01527880011
Old 18-09-2007 | 03:35 PM
  #9  
Porkie's Avatar
Porkie
20K+ Super Poster.
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 21,512
Likes: 0
From: Essex... and Birmingham!
Default

Whats your budget Warren mate?
Old 18-09-2007 | 03:36 PM
  #10  
Si B's Avatar
Si B
2Evos & 1 Escort Van :-)
iTrader: (59)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,937
Likes: 0
From: Somerset
Default

Originally Posted by andrewfgallacher
try bara motorsport they do one .01527880011
Just for clarity -

Martin Hadland, Marco Polo and Bara motorsport all sell the same box (Barra could prob do stuff from Ricardo, FFD etc as well) that some know as the Mullet box. All costs the same from wherever you get it.

I got mine via Marco and he was and is great to deal with.

Martin Hadland @ Reyland is also a sound bloke to deal with. Who you use is up to you, what you get at the end is basically rhe same thing.

I had one and it was faultless. Great box - with the uprated main shaft you will need it will set you back a fair bit over £4.5k though... but worth it to be able to use the power.

Without the main shaft upgrade you're looking around £3250-3500 ish. Speak to whoever takes your fancy for latest prices

Si
Old 18-09-2007 | 03:37 PM
  #11  
Mike Rainbird's Avatar
Mike Rainbird
Caraholic
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 26,403
Likes: 2
From: Norwich
Default

Bara's sequential is £15k .

A good bullet proof sequential transmission will cost the best part of £25-27k once fitted (9" rear diff / 7½" front plus uprated drive shafts). You can knock £4k off that price if you go for the Skyline transmission though.

The "Mullet" box is no good what-so-ever for quarter-miling - not because it can't take the power (which if fitted with the uprated main shaft and first gear, it should), but because it uses the standard shonky Ford syncro rings, so is as slow to change gear as the standard box. Therefore over the quarter you would loose around 1 - 1.5s compared to a quick changing box.
Old 18-09-2007 | 03:41 PM
  #12  
Si B's Avatar
Si B
2Evos & 1 Escort Van :-)
iTrader: (59)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,937
Likes: 0
From: Somerset
Default

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Bara's sequential is £15k .

A good bullet proof sequential transmission will cost the best part of £25-27k once fitted (9" rear diff / 7½" front plus uprated drive shafts). You can knock £4k off that price if you go for the Skyline transmission though.

The "Mullet" box is no good what-so-ever for quarter-miling - not because it can't take the power (which if fitted with the uprated main shaft and first gear, it should), but because it uses the standard shonky Ford syncro rings, so is as slow to change gear as the standard box. Therefore over the quarter you would loose around 1 - 1.5s compared to a quick changing box.
Ah yes, good point.... Dog box or sequential etc is what you'll be needing....

In which case SADEV is another option. French company, wanted IIRC around £16k for a 6sp sequential box rated to 650lb/ft (my memory is pretty vague on the numbers, think thats was it)

OS Giken / Skyline / Reyland hybrid conversion is the other good option there....

Si
Old 18-09-2007 | 04:21 PM
  #13  
Porkie's Avatar
Porkie
20K+ Super Poster.
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 21,512
Likes: 0
From: Essex... and Birmingham!
Default

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
The "Mullet" box is no good what-so-ever for quarter-miling - not because it can't take the power (which if fitted with the uprated main shaft and first gear, it should), but because it uses the standard shonky Ford syncro rings, so is as slow to change gear as the standard box. Therefore over the quarter you would loose around 1 - 1.5s compared to a quick changing box.
Hasn't someone just gone sub 10secs with a Fixit?

So syncro boxes hardly totally useless....

And if the bloke doesn't have £10k to spend on a FFD or doesn't want to Risk trying the 6 speed R&D dogbox then he doesn't have that many options other than a Reyland/Bara box or a Fixit does he faggot boy?!?!?
Old 18-09-2007 | 04:40 PM
  #14  
Mike Rainbird's Avatar
Mike Rainbird
Caraholic
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 26,403
Likes: 2
From: Norwich
Default

Do you mean the guy from Sweden, who has done just over 10s?

The car has over 700bhp and runs drag radial 16" tyres when he races it.

He would easily be IN the 9s with a proper box.

Martin used to get 11s with a syncro based MT75 type box with 520bhp.

I was just pointing out that it isn't the fastest of boxes to use for the highlighted event - if it's for fun, then it doesn't matter.

A 500bhp 4x4 Cossie equipped with a quick changing dog box should see high 10s .
Old 18-09-2007 | 06:40 PM
  #15  
Nash's Avatar
Nash
Cake lover!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 4,234
Likes: 11
From: Crewe
Default

Elite Transmissions are developing a Gear kit for the MT75, you will still have the problem of the Synco's like Mike has pointed out with this kit though.
Old 18-09-2007 | 07:26 PM
  #16  
GUZZLER's Avatar
GUZZLER
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 8,223
Likes: 1
From: Northants
Default

Originally Posted by Nash
Elite Transmissions are developing a Gear kit for the MT75, you will still have the problem of the Synco's like Mike has pointed out with this kit though.

any more info???
Old 18-09-2007 | 07:34 PM
  #17  
Ryan's Avatar
Ryan
15K+ Super Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 18,589
Likes: 0
From: Southampton
Default

as has been said elite might be able to help you.
Old 20-09-2007 | 09:11 AM
  #18  
warrenja1's Avatar
warrenja1
Thread Starter
I'm Finding My Feet Here Now
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 109
Likes: 0
From: ireland
Default

Originally Posted by Porkie
Whats your budget Warren mate?
About 5k


Id really want to go down the sequential route, but f**k me I couldnt spend that kinda money on a box
Thanks for the info anyway lads
Old 20-09-2007 | 09:28 AM
  #19  
Mike Rainbird's Avatar
Mike Rainbird
Caraholic
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 26,403
Likes: 2
From: Norwich
Default

Bara Motorsport box it is then .
Old 20-09-2007 | 09:34 AM
  #20  
NEIL A's Avatar
NEIL A
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,297
Likes: 9
From: LEVEN , FIFE
Default

Might be worth seeing Marco for a price on the new Bara dog box if you want it for 1/4's .
Old 20-09-2007 | 09:40 AM
  #21  
wayne thomas's Avatar
wayne thomas
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 321
Likes: 4
From: lancs
Default

Originally Posted by warrenja1
Originally Posted by Porkie
Whats your budget Warren mate?
About 5k


Id really want to go down the sequential route, but f**k me I couldnt spend that kinda money on a box
Thanks for the info anyway lads
You may just pick up a 7sp FFD non handbrake release model for that sort of money, but it defo wont be sequential.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
rog
Cars & Parts Wanted.
2
16-09-2015 03:00 PM
landaqmabba
Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth
7
15-09-2015 07:16 PM
dojj
General Car Related Discussion.
28
11-09-2015 10:00 PM
truffleshuffle
Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth
1
10-09-2015 09:35 PM
Adam Graham
Restorations, Rebuilds & Projects.
7
06-09-2015 06:04 AM



Quick Reply: uprated gearbox for a 4x4 saph



All times are GMT. The time now is 03:55 PM.