a link would be good

 

Not true! Idiot!

This is as far as it's got:

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...726626,00.html

 

No they dont

All constructor points and fined $100million.

Hamilton and Alonso keep points.

2008 car scrutinised in detail.



jake

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/6991147.stm

 

WAS ON NEWS 2 SECONDS AGO HAMILTON KEEPS HIS THO JUST CONSTRUCTOR LOSES POINTS

 

nice so ferrari should win then

 

Yep drivers keep theirs and that link I posted is already out of date

 

i bet ron dennis cries in the press conference

 

DogSmoke
YEH U IDIOT LOL

 

CUNTS!

Ferrari are scum, far too far in with the fucking FIA!

So yet again the cunts win by default, great!

At least Hamilton has kept his points, Ferrari won't get the drivers title which is the one that matters!

 

Yep that's me LOL.

 

cockends whoever called the poster of this thread an idiot!!!

He said FUCKING MCLAREN lose all their points, not the DRIVERS, and guess what mclaren are losing all their points.

So you're the idiots .

BTW topic starter you are an idiot for speeling mclaren wrong .

PF, spacko spelling city

 

LOL U KNOW WHO I MEAN

 

good outcome

 

just as it should be, team loses points drivers dont


Dave

 

True!! I fucking hate the Ferrari F1 team

 

says this spacko!

 

If you cheat and get found out,you will have to pay the consequences...and McLaren have!!
If they did profit from the cheating(which it looks like they did),surely the drivers have profited as well?...so theoretically they should have lost thier points as well!
I guess the FIA didn't want to lose viewing figures and revenue for the climax of the season and so let the 2 McLaren drivers off!
People are moaning that the punishment is harsh,but remember what happened to Toyota(in rallying) when they got caught cheating!!

 

So explain this one then!

They've been done for cheating and fined Millions of pounds and have to now have their car scrutineered next year AND they have also had all their Constructors points taken away for benefiting from Ferrari Data in THIS years championship....

... yet after ALL this they are allowed to continue to race this season with the same car using the same technology!

Fucking FIA are as bad as that white haired, jumped up prick pensioner Bernie Ecclestone!

 

fair outcome they cheated so they should pay the price

 

Where does the fine money go ...who gets that then?

 

as long as hamilton still has his points thats the main thing

 

Lol at all the ferrari haters

 

they don't pay the fine , they will not get any sponsership money from the tele companys

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40651

 

and mr ecclestone wants to come in to the premiership???

him the fia and the fa should all go nicely together, all as bent as each other

 

 

fuck me thats some punishment!

 

an unfair statement in my onion
this years car was designed last year and had to be approved at the start of the season
the techy stuff is from data ferarri were using to design next years car, so that's why if there is anything that looks fishy with the car design next year they won't be able to get it officialised by the scrutiner types who decide if the car will be allowed to race when they submit the official designs
so the data they gathered from feararri this year would have gone into the design of rons car next year, which would give them an unfair advantage

that's why they are going to be docked points for this year because they've been found to have been guilty of the charge of not telling the truth, thus rendering them status of cheating toerags in the eyes of the law, regardless of anyone actually seeing or using the informatin they might have had
as soon as the documents were handed over someone should have grassed, the fact that they didn't, and that it wasn't just 2 people (stephney and couglan) who knew about them as they have now prooved because there were a few other names mentioned, their integrity has been called into question

you can't say that you've go into an exam with a list of the questions that might be asked already in your pocket and then claim you didn't gain any unfair advantage, this is your very dictionary deffinition of technical cloack and dagger espionage, like wot the russiins etc used to do

 

I love the fact that so many people hate Bernie. And are blaming him for this.

Bernie (fundamentally) just controls the TV rights, where the races are and the trackside adverts. Hes not even on the WMSC, so had no (official) capacity on determining a punishment.


However, this seems extraordinarily harsh. $100M is a substantial proportion of McLaren's operating budget. But its more about the constructors points. They loose the decent garage, the paddock space for the 3 storey motorhome. They wil be further down than Aguri.

Its my personal belief that Coughlan acted alone. He was proposing with Stepney to go to Honda. (Both men were not favourites at their respective teams) So any information is highly unlikely to have gotton into this years Mp4-22. In fact as most will know that car was concieved and testing before the end of last year. So a few details in March/May (depending on who your sources) won't of made a slow car fast.

I do wonder abut the adage "Win as a team, lose as a team" Lewis and Fernando have been driving cars that the FIA has deemed to be influenced by Ferrari information. By extension they are guiltly of using that advantage to gain race wins (and will continue to if either wins the WDC) so the decision to indemnify them is a political one. Which of course begs the question how Political was the sentancing?

The main issue right now is that a) The FIA have not revealed the exact reasons for the punishment and b) The FIA have a wreckless habit of increasing sanctions if an Appeal fails. (Some will remember Eddie Irvines problems in 93ish)

They will appeal though, nothing upsets RD more than being called a cheat. Which most believe he isnt for his sins. I fear that the thought process of the FIA may behave like a spoilt child though...

 

So, is the mclaren illegal or not? If so, then why is it allowed to race for the rest of the season? If not, why dock the points?

 

DUH?

Look up irony

Spacko

 

Errmmm have you been following the story or not?

I'm glad to see you think its ok for another team to have a document big enough and detailed enough to allow to them to build/test/use/pass off as their own F1 car

 

Dan..thats why mclaren have been so quick as they have had ferrari secrets

 

Ron is pissed was going to take a back seat next year/ retire

wont be now will be back in full flight for the FIGHT#

CUMON MASSA/KIMI

 

if this had been two teams at the back end of the grid it would have all been forgoten about by now
this sort of thing has & always will go on in top class raceing

 

gotta say if I was maclaren, id say " screew you guys were going home" stick your fine up your arse, we aint paying fuck all, and withdraw from f1!

that would be highly amusing

 

me too......it does seem a little OTT. Like how the hell will they prove their new car for next year, has no ferarri technology on it !!!!!

Bin F1 and go rallying...F1 is boring crap anyway.

 

Have they FUCK! YOU read into the 'story' properly!

They cannot punish McLaren in the way in which they've done so and continue to let them use the same fucking car!

Are McLaredn not allowed to receive any further constructors points for the rest of the season now then either!? If so point well made about the pit boxes and subsquently their garages being down the crap end of the pit lane, exactly what I thought earlier when the penalty was announced!

 

dan the FIA are inspecting the current car to lol calm down dear