there was nothing in the statement regarding the pit boxes, that is for next year as they won't have any points, which means they will have lost out the money for geeting points (circa £30mill) which means they will have the crappest pit box
the reason they can drive this years race with the same car is, as previously stated, you can't submit a car in december and then change it radically in may bceause of the time and effort needed to get it through all the testing etc
which explains why they will be looking very carefully at next years car to make sure that none of the "secrets" that may or may not have been contained in the 780 pages that caused the problem in the first place, have been used or have influenced the design of the car in any way

the basics are that the fia has said "look, we can't be sure if you have or haven't gained anything from this escapade, but to show that we have to cinsider you bringing hte sport into disrepute by not telling anyone right from the off of what was going on as soon as you mac boys knew there was something fishy, we've got to hammer you good and proper, it's not like you can't afford it, you aren't the size and budget of something like the spiker cars really, and because we can't actually give you a clobbering for this year as the season is almost over, we're going to clober you for next year, and if you still kick up a fuss then you won't be racing at all, so take the punishment dished out like a man and deal with it" or words to that efect

personally, i think it's the only decision they could have reached, stripping the drivers of points would have ammounted to nothing but a backlash against the fia because they've done nothing wrong really

 

it's about 1/5th which is actually fuck all

and fuck mclaren ive always been a maclaren fan but rons been talking out his fucking arse lately. and hamilton is the next twatting shumi cheating wanker in the making.

 

i should think that £50 million will hurt but at the same time its about time the FIA lad the law down

 

except he's English, so it doesn't matter.

 

there was talk of them appealing to the british high court, but wtf have they got to do with anything?
ron should take it lke a man, the captain always goes down with his ship so if someones; going to get the blame he should shoulder it

 

lets just hope that one of drivers can win the championship ( i.e lewis )

i cant stand ferrari there stuck up cunts!

 

i would say Alonso/lewis and ron dennis are far more arrogant than

(pissed up mainly) kimi/massa and jean todt

 

The reason Mclaren have been punished is in rule 151 c.

"151. Breach of rules
Any of the following offences in addition to any offences specifically referred to previously, shall be deemed to be a breach of these rules :
a) All bribery or attempt, directly or indirectly, to bribe any person having official duties in relation to a competition or being employed in any manner in connection with a competition and the acceptance of, or offer to accept, any bribe by such an official or employee.
b) Any action having as its object the entry or participation in a competition of an automobile known to be ineligible therefor.
c) Any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally."

Ferrari have been just as negligent in letting one of their staff remove "secrets" from their organisation, as Mclaren have for allowing one of theirs to receive the secrets.

I can see an appeal to the F.I A based on that coming soon.

An appeal to the High Court could be on the basis of a contract dispute between F.I.A and Mclaren.

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This aint no commercial Jay!

 

but ferarri haven't actually comitted any "fraud" and they are also taking their ex mechanic to court over this matter as well
maclaren should have made a noise as soon as anyone found out, the fact that the photocopier place caleld up marenallo and said "we've got a load of stuff here that seems to belong to you and says "do not copy" on it, do you want us to continue" has fucked them, regardless of who did or didn';t know about it at the time, someone shudl have blown the whistle
sacking someone because your competition has found out they were skying against them for you is a bit of a pathetic way to try and cover your tracks

 

CHEATS...

 

F1 is now officially finished

The FIA are so far in Ferarris power that nothing fair would ever happen.

The documents were to prove that Ferarri were cheating in the early races of this season with a moveable undertray......which they have removed..and funnily enough lost their performance advantage when they did! None of the hearings have had any proof in them that Mclaren have gained any performance advantage. In the eyes of the law guilt must be proven


This decision is so bad for the sport...potential and current sponsors will not want to be associated with this especially when F1 is struggling for decent investors as it is!

 

i'd rather watch my dad t-boning my mum whilst my uncle humms on my dads ballox than watch F1.

 

weird

 

I THINK IT'S A BIT BORING PERSONALLY... LIKE MUCH CIRCUIT RACING.
I FAR RATHER RALLYING WHERE EVERY SPECIAL STAGE IS A DIFFERENT CHALLENGE

BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.

 

So Fararri have not been affected at all.. even though it was one of their staff that game the information over?

Typical Farrari running the F1 also..

 

Its a fifth of their turnover. However, as some will of seen it turns out to be actually less than $100M. Because this years prize money (points means money obviously) will be allocated towards the fine. (Which explains why the team will contiune to race in an effort to lower that figure as much as possible) Even though McLaren won't actually get a cheque. Intertestingly its due within 3 months in full. But it will be somewhere closer to £25-30M which Ron could pay himself. (He wont though)

If you are interested you can read the full 14 page statement by the FIA on their site Link Here REad point 8.8

To summarise though.

* De La Rosa, Coughlan and Alonso exchanged emails with specific details of Ferraris car and strategy at the Australian Race. Details they knew to have come from Ferrari illegally. Which contradicts the main crux of McLaren's argument that only Coughlan knew about the details.

* Coughlan and Stepney exchanged 288 texts and 35 Phone calls in the period from March to July. Which goes against Coughlans affadavit that he only had contact with Stepney a handful of times

* Jonathan Neale (MD McLaren Racing) saw the dossier, but decided the information in it was not helpful to McLaren so didnt look at it. (Thats not a typo, thats actually McLarens counter. "We looked at it but we couldnt use it so we didnt look at it" )

* McLaren argued that the FIA couldn't proove they'd used the details to a hign enough standard that would pass a regular court case. And as such they couldnt impose any sanction on the team. The FIA said "Its out championship and we run it, so of course we have the clout to impose sancitons" Which personally I agree with. In the same way FIFA can impose sanctions on footballers.


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Having seen the evidence I do not expect McLaren to appeal to the FIA (and if they are sensible they wont go through the Civil courts either) The main problem here was emails between other people within McLaren. Without that the case would of been far more circumstantial. As it is they are Guilty. Thats not to say other teams dont also do this sort of thing. But they got caught. And realistically the FIA HAD to do something. However, as above if it had been Spyker vs Toro Rosso no one would really of cared.

I also dont expect De La Rosa or Alonso to be at McLaren from the end of the year.

 

its all a load of hyped up bullshit. 100 mil££££
its a joke.you could buy the fia for that or at least set up another motor sport regulating body??? call it the FNI.........

FERARRIS NOT INCLUDED

 

I agree with them continuing to use the same car

They should have just chucked them out for 2 years!

 

exactly...i couldnt be arsed to write that lot.

 

them bits in bold are what's fucked it up for maclaren, no one who is arguing seems to have actually read them bits of the report, once they have it's a cut and dried case
the fact that ron says he didn't know about it is probably true, but ever other fucker in teh team was talking baout it so how he didn't hear it through the grapevine is a little difficult to believe, but not impossible

and if the md of teh company has seen stuff he shouldn't have, he should have gone running to ferarri and said "hey up lad, we've got some paper you might want to have a luke at" instead of filing it under "useless info"
how much time and effort would it have needed for maclarean to have gained the same information that ferarri had? even if they didn't use it

the funniest thing of the whole case is that the print shop they used to copy the files (which had confidential marked on evey page accodinrg to someone i know who works in f1) called up maranello and said "excuse me cahp, we've got some paperwork ehre that says we aren't supposed to copy, can we copy it please?"

so it's hardly like ferarri were in anyway shape or form the guilty party here or had anythng other than their memebr of staff doing a dirty on them, so all this ferarri hating isn't justified

macalarena are so far up their own arses they thought they'd get awa with it, if they had pleadded guilty to the thing form the start i'm sure it wouldn't have been so harsh