engine management for 600bhp???
09-09-2007, 09:47 AM
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I personally wouldn't use Omex, Megasquirt or DTA to run a 600bhp engine.
By the time you have built an engine like that, you should really be looking at the likes of MoTeC, due to it's advanced features, logging capabilities, processor speeds etc etc.
By the time you have built an engine like that, you should really be looking at the likes of MoTeC, due to it's advanced features, logging capabilities, processor speeds etc etc.
09-09-2007, 09:49 AM
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depends how much you are able to spend. from low to high:
megasquirt
emerald (jaycos uses this on his sierra cos)
autronic (yum and all the boys from MAD use it)
omex
DTA
pectel (works teams, Harvey Gibbs uses it)
motec
i might not be 100% accurate, havent looked at prices since i bought my pectel T6 which works a treat in my escos
megasquirt
emerald (jaycos uses this on his sierra cos)
autronic (yum and all the boys from MAD use it)
omex
DTA
pectel (works teams, Harvey Gibbs uses it)
motec
i might not be 100% accurate, havent looked at prices since i bought my pectel T6 which works a treat in my escos
09-09-2007, 10:41 AM
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most ecus are capable of runing 600bhp isnt the dolomite that karl sets up on l8. surely its down to resolution and transients to how the ecu copes with it theres loads of v8s in the states on megasquirt doing 1000+bhp so your question really should be what does your tuner prefer oh also what ad ons do you need traction launc ect
09-09-2007, 08:35 PM
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L8 imo,,,,, as jaycos says,,,,, find what your tuner prefers and go from there,, though dont be sold " you need this ecu for 600bhp",,, as thats bollocks and time to look for another tuner
as for autronic being proved,,, erm its been MARKETED to look like its proven,,, look about and see as autronic is fucking expensive in this country !!!!
as for autronic being proved,,, erm its been MARKETED to look like its proven,,, look about and see as autronic is fucking expensive in this country !!!!
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09-09-2007, 09:04 PM
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When i had Autronic on my Evo i found it had better Fuel control and better spark to and i'm sure this would be the same compared to the L8
BUT i'm sure an L8 would be fine for 600 bhp..
Oh, EDITED to say, ANTI- LAG/LAUNCH CONTROL aswell..
BUT i'm sure an L8 would be fine for 600 bhp..
Oh, EDITED to say, ANTI- LAG/LAUNCH CONTROL aswell..
09-09-2007, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by glancy2081
would be intresting to see a engine of marks run with a l8, and autronic and compare results
everyones cars that are proved dave aint standard engines with a management swop,,,,, they are highly modded cars with autronic,, bet if they was PAYED to have meggasquirt they would see similer results,,,, but it aint gonna happen to prove it
has to be said that management is only as good as the person mapping it,,,, that means MOST aftermarkets will not be as good as factory UNLESS the guy tuning it understands it and also sets it all up proper rather than a base map and tweek certain areas,, cold starts ect are where the time and skill get involved and MOST cars ive seen on aftermarket LACK them
09-09-2007, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
Originally Posted by glancy2081
would be intresting to see a engine of marks run with a l8, and autronic and compare results
everyones cars that are proved dave aint standard engines with a management swop,,,,, they are highly modded cars with autronic,, bet if they was PAYED to have meggasquirt they would see similer results,,,, but it aint gonna happen to prove it
has to be said that management is only as good as the person mapping it,,,, that means MOST aftermarkets will not be as good as factory UNLESS the guy tuning it understands it and also sets it all up proper rather than a base map and tweek certain areas,, cold starts ect are where the time and skill get involved and MOST cars ive seen on aftermarket LACK them
09-09-2007, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
Originally Posted by glancy2081
would be intresting to see a engine of marks run with a l8, and autronic and compare results
everyones cars that are proved dave aint standard engines with a management swop,,,,, they are highly modded cars with autronic,, bet if they was PAYED to have meggasquirt they would see similer results,,,, but it aint gonna happen to prove it
has to be said that management is only as good as the person mapping it,,,, that means MOST aftermarkets will not be as good as factory UNLESS the guy tuning it understands it and also sets it all up proper rather than a base map and tweek certain areas,, cold starts ect are where the time and skill get involved and MOST cars ive seen on aftermarket LACK them
Yes we have Autronic 500R direct fire CDI unit
09-09-2007, 09:29 PM
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as for autronic being proved,,, erm its been MARKETED to look like its proven,,, look about and see as autronic is fucking expensive in this country !!!![/quote]
Ginge
Realy http://www.autronic.com/page_files/hall_of_fame.htm
The Zen performance car that won The Time Attack champinship also runs on Autronic and mapped by Paul himself,
Your comment is very wrong there are many more cars running around the world on Autronic it just seems you havent seen them
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Also there are many other Ecu's out there of different makes also just to keep this balanced comment 
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Realy http://www.autronic.com/page_files/hall_of_fame.htm
The Zen performance car that won The Time Attack champinship also runs on Autronic and mapped by Paul himself,
Your comment is very wrong there are many more cars running around the world on Autronic it just seems you havent seen them
,Also there are many other Ecu's out there of different makes also just to keep this balanced
comment .Mark
09-09-2007, 09:58 PM
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I thought Paul @ Zen was using Motec ? obviously not lol
Serious cars on that list, however there is probably as many equivalent cars running different ecu's giving the results that Autronic ecu'd cars do.
Serious cars on that list, however there is probably as many equivalent cars running different ecu's giving the results that Autronic ecu'd cars do.
09-09-2007, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
as for autronic being proved,,, erm its been MARKETED to look like its proven,,, look about and see as autronic is fucking expensive in this country !!!!
Realy http://www.autronic.com/page_files/hall_of_fame.htm
The Zen performance car that won The Time Attack champinship also runs on Autronic and mapped by Paul himself,
Your comment is very wrong there are many more cars running around the world on Autronic it just seems you havent seen them
,Also there are many other Ecu's out there of different makes also just to keep this balanced
comment .Mark[/quote]
mark it wasnt a dig at you
it was more to explain that its not just the ecu that makes these cars run well but a total package,, it seems that the " autronic is proven" coment is sort of true but in most cases its about as much use as fitting cossie managment to a 200bhp cossie and claiming that its proven to work
and it is expensive here also compared to elsewhere but thats just what ive seen,,, not a dig at you,, i also think that hayward and scott are fucking expensive for exhausts too
09-09-2007, 10:16 PM
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mark i also think your mistaken me for some blinkered ford only person
i know that autronic is good and used all over the world HENCE i know the price elsewhere too
i know that alot of japcars benifit from aftermarket due to issues with the stock ecu's also
but cossies are a little differentas theres people out there who can crack the ecus and there a little more simple in the way the engine managment works,,,, fitting aftermarket is VERY expensive,, not just the fitting but then the actual time to get it working right,,,,, for a car worth 5k,,is it a needed idea for some ????
i know that autronic is good and used all over the world HENCE i know the price elsewhere too
i know that alot of japcars benifit from aftermarket due to issues with the stock ecu's also
but cossies are a little differentas theres people out there who can crack the ecus and there a little more simple in the way the engine managment works,,,, fitting aftermarket is VERY expensive,, not just the fitting but then the actual time to get it working right,,,,, for a car worth 5k,,is it a needed idea for some ????
10-09-2007, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Keith Cowie, Kev Atkins, Rod Terry
All diffrent fields and all proved
All diffrent fields and all proved
The ZEN Scoob won Pro class TA & Kev Club class can someone tell me how these are marketing ploys.
Oops Mark has already said this
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10-09-2007, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MadRod
Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Keith Cowie, Kev Atkins, Rod Terry
All diffrent fields and all proved
All diffrent fields and all proved
The ZEN Scoob won Pro class TA & Kev Club class can someone tell me how these are marketing ploys.
Oops Mark has already said this
.people actually claim they notice the difference from a ecu swop too,,,, and they think its the ecu thats done it,,,,, but its the man mapping it
if autronic was fitted to a 1.0 fiesta would that mean its for slow cars ?
meggasquirt works well for most people,,, but everyone belives " this costs 4 months wages so it MUST be good "
when people talk about what cars its fitted to and the results it is to give the impression that the ecu was the secret to the success,,,, but thats the part im unsure of
though it IS one of the better aftermarket ecus and works very very well,,,, just not the sole reason why the cars win
10-09-2007, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
.... i never ment it as a marketing "ploy" but the general sales of autronic is " these cars run autronic and win/go fast ect showing that autronic is the best
people actually claim they notice the difference from a ecu swop too,,,, and they think its the ecu thats done it,,,,, but its the man mapping it
if autronic was fitted to a 1.0 fiesta would that mean its for slow cars ?
meggasquirt works well for most people,,, but everyone belives " this costs 4 months wages so it MUST be good "
when people talk about what cars its fitted to and the results it is to give the impression that the ecu was the secret to the success,,,, but thats the part im unsure of
though it IS one of the better aftermarket ecus and works very very well,,,, just not the sole reason why the cars win
people actually claim they notice the difference from a ecu swop too,,,, and they think its the ecu thats done it,,,,, but its the man mapping it
if autronic was fitted to a 1.0 fiesta would that mean its for slow cars ?
meggasquirt works well for most people,,, but everyone belives " this costs 4 months wages so it MUST be good "
when people talk about what cars its fitted to and the results it is to give the impression that the ecu was the secret to the success,,,, but thats the part im unsure of
though it IS one of the better aftermarket ecus and works very very well,,,, just not the sole reason why the cars win
(No diss to the autronic brand intended before anyone suggests otherwise)
10-09-2007, 06:54 PM
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ps: i use a secs ecu,,,, just cause my project time scales work well with your product deliverys
simon can you give me a list of what my s8 can actually do at the moment as im gonna start using it for the next car
also can i use a 36 to 1 trigger or is it for a 4 to 1
oh and coil pack,,,, does it run one of them ?
wiring diagram for the loom would also be pukka if poss please
simon can you give me a list of what my s8 can actually do at the moment as im gonna start using it for the next car
also can i use a 36 to 1 trigger or is it for a 4 to 1
oh and coil pack,,,, does it run one of them ?
wiring diagram for the loom would also be pukka if poss please
10-09-2007, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
ps: i use a secs ecu,,,, just cause my project time scales work well with your product deliverys
simon can you give me a list of what my s8 can actually do at the moment as im gonna start using it for the next car
also can i use a 36 to 1 trigger or is it for a 4 to 1
oh and coil pack,,,, does it run one of them ?
wiring diagram for the loom would also be pukka if poss please
simon can you give me a list of what my s8 can actually do at the moment as im gonna start using it for the next car
also can i use a 36 to 1 trigger or is it for a 4 to 1
oh and coil pack,,,, does it run one of them ?
wiring diagram for the loom would also be pukka if poss please
CoontAll the features are listed in the instruction manual files on the disk.
Coilpack yes, duplicate the same wiring as the original ignition coil
but use pin 26 to fire the second coil. (Ask ryan, he can help with details)
36-1 yes it can use that no problem.
10-09-2007, 07:07 PM
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i dont have instructions though, you said the info would be up on the website in a few weeks,,,,, that was a few weeks ago too
ill pay for a disk mate as i need one,,,, mac format would be nice but i can also install it on one of my pc's at work
ill pay for a disk mate as i need one,,,, mac format would be nice but i can also install it on one of my pc's at work
10-09-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
i dont have instructions though, you said the info would be up on the website in a few weeks,,,,, that was a few weeks ago too
ill pay for a disk mate as i need one,,,, mac format would be nice but i can also install it on one of my pc's at work
ill pay for a disk mate as i need one,,,, mac format would be nice but i can also install it on one of my pc's at work
(PM me if I forget LOL)
10-09-2007, 07:17 PM
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The Nissan GTI-R grp.A car I had ran on Motec.
It was fast that's all I know really
Oh, and it had a knob to switch between certain settings although I never really figured out what
It was fast that's all I know really
Oh, and it had a knob to switch between certain settings although I never really figured out what
10-09-2007, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Flux Capacitor
Originally Posted by Ginge !
i dont have instructions though, you said the info would be up on the website in a few weeks,,,,, that was a few weeks ago too
ill pay for a disk mate as i need one,,,, mac format would be nice but i can also install it on one of my pc's at work
ill pay for a disk mate as i need one,,,, mac format would be nice but i can also install it on one of my pc's at work
(PM me if I forget LOL)
10-09-2007, 08:14 PM
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Ginge, l understand what you are saying, but l think that it is marketed well as you say because people are so happy with it, I for one am very happy with it, the package includes ECU and engine no sense in swapping different tuners for these items in my honest opinion
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10-09-2007, 08:30 PM
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My mapper has mapped almost every ECU out there and reckons the autronic is pretty good.
As with all systems it takes a while to get the used to the ins and outs of each one.
What other system can you down load your map then email to THE UK expert for him to have a look at ten o clock at nite?
As with all systems it takes a while to get the used to the ins and outs of each one.
What other system can you down load your map then email to THE UK expert for him to have a look at ten o clock at nite?