Rear adjustable beam options for the Cosworth. Discuss!
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A few questions for those with high powered cosworth's regarding the best setup for over all handling on the rear end?
1)Is the GrpA Square beam the best you can get?
2)what are all the parts needed to be able to fit the complete setup to a 2wd Cosworth?
Who has this item fitted and any pics?
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1)Is the GrpA Square beam the best you can get?
2)what are all the parts needed to be able to fit the complete setup to a 2wd Cosworth?
Who has this item fitted and any pics?
Thanks in advance.
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havent driven my car yet but from what i hear the adrenaline adjustable beam is the best u can get
the old mag stuff is prone to crack in the worst moment cause of age so would not be my choice. ah, and with the square beam u gotta have side exhaust aswell.
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the old mag stuff is prone to crack in the worst moment cause of age so would not be my choice. ah, and with the square beam u gotta have side exhaust aswell.
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The Mag setup may crack on the Rally car it was designed for due to the harsh treatment it takes every time it is used. However on a Track car would this still have the same issues without the hard wearing off road abuse? Is the mag setup legal for road use?
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It's not a square grp A one
Don't know what is the best you can get tbh, i've got a stg1 adrenaline beam (adjustable camber)
Danny is fantastic to deal with as well
It's not a square grp A one
Don't know what is the best you can get tbh, i've got a stg1 adrenaline beam (adjustable camber)
Danny is fantastic to deal with as well
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Originally Posted by Versus_Creations
I had a look at your restore thread and the beam you have does look good. But compared to the GrpA type is it better?
The Zoo beam i have used is fantastic, it's heavy though but very strong. The geometry stays spot on under full droop etc.
I have only seen pics of the adrenaline beam...it looks good but i have to agree with others that it doesn't look that strong....although Danny B says it is! it's more expensive than the zoo beam too.
The square beam i would guess is much much lighter, especially when you are using the proper mag arms etc...and if it's good enough for rallying then it must be good!!...i expect you need to use proper uprights and other bits and pieces though, meaning it may work out pretty dear.
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
I have only seen pics of the adrenaline beam...it looks good but i have to agree with others that it doesn't look that strong....although Danny B says it is! it's more expensive than the zoo beam too.
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
The square beam i would guess is much much lighter, especially when you are using the proper mag arms etc...and if it's good enough for rallying then it must be good!!...i expect you need to use proper uprights and other bits and pieces though, meaning it may work out pretty dear.
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The AdrenalineZoo/Ahmed set ups are a better option as they allow you to use a normal exhaust and also Danny and Brom can adapt them fopr different diffs
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Agreed
for a road car i think either beam is a fantastic upgrade from a standard beam...and for an occasional track car
Danny B knows what he's doing so i dare say you'll never bend that beam...i bet i could though
And as you say the Square beam/mag arms have been abused for years..and the arms corrode badly too don't they?
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for a road car i think either beam is a fantastic upgrade from a standard beam...and for an occasional track car
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Danny B knows what he's doing so i dare say you'll never bend that beam...i bet i could though
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And as you say the Square beam/mag arms have been abused for years..and the arms corrode badly too don't they?
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Originally Posted by Versus_Creations
1)Is the GrpA Square beam the best you can get?
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
Originally Posted by Versus_Creations
1)Is the GrpA Square beam the best you can get?
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i think what gareth means is grpA reg restricted how far they were aloud to be modified and a 9 degree angle was set.
I think according to some 6 degree is the optimum, personally i have no experience of a 9 degree on the road so i cant say, but i think its more than just the beam that needs to be sorted.
so you could spend a grand on a nice custom beam and then have it let down by, shit suspension, cheap tyres, poorly setup geometry etc etc.
So many factors affect the cars handling its not just 1 sole thing.
I think according to some 6 degree is the optimum, personally i have no experience of a 9 degree on the road so i cant say, but i think its more than just the beam that needs to be sorted.
so you could spend a grand on a nice custom beam and then have it let down by, shit suspension, cheap tyres, poorly setup geometry etc etc.
So many factors affect the cars handling its not just 1 sole thing.
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oh and micheal u dont have to have a side exit with a square beam, granted the exhaust needs to be modified to suit the new beam, but i think you'll find 95% of after market beam need the exhaust modifiying due to it fouling on the longer pickup points.
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
what ryn said
But the worst thing about square rear beams is their mag parts, I assume they are just as breakable than mag wheels + as it was said, they had hard used along the years.
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Ahmed beam is the one i will be going for i think.
I have had Mark and Ahmed adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
I have had Mark and Ahmed adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
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Some great info comming to light now.
Any more thoughts on the subject would be great. I need to sort out the rear end of my motor so what ever the best way forward is the way i will go..
What brake setup is needed for the GprA Rear end. Will it need a Hydrolic handbrake? Will it work with AVO coilovers which is whats on the car at the mo..
Any help would be great.
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Any more thoughts on the subject would be great. I need to sort out the rear end of my motor so what ever the best way forward is the way i will go..
What brake setup is needed for the GprA Rear end. Will it need a Hydrolic handbrake? Will it work with AVO coilovers which is whats on the car at the mo..
Any help would be great.
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Originally Posted by Nash
Ahmed beam is the one i will be going for i think.
I have had Mark and Ahmed £1200adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
I have had Mark and Ahmed £1200adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
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Depends on which setup you want to go, tarmac, gravel. Gravel for example used to have 16" wheels with 315mm discs and 4 pots calipers. All serious rallycars does have an hydraulic handbrake and for 4wd the best (and unfortunetly very expensive) would be a clutch release for the handbrake, but well be ready to spend fortune there, and it is only the rear of the car mate.
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Originally Posted by Nash
Ahmed beam is the one i will be going for i think.
I have had Mark and Ahmed £1200adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
I have had Mark and Ahmed £1200adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
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Originally Posted by Nash
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Ahmed beam is the one i will be going for i think.
I have had Mark and Ahmed £1200adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
I have had Mark and Ahmed £1200adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
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Originally Posted by Nash
Ahmed beam is the one i will be going for i think.
I have had Mark and Ahmed £1200adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
I have had Mark and Ahmed £1200adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
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And less expensive.
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Yes yes I know mate. Well the choice of a rear axle is quite hard to do due to the customers beeing all happy with them whatever you choose I don't you'll be disapointed, but for ultimate performance I still would consider the real group a stuff the way to go, altrough I ain't as expert as the real experts there.
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so there are 3 to chose from, what are the price options and what do they do?
and how many are exchange?
and how many are exchange?
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Originally Posted by dojj
so there are 3 to chose from, what are the price options and what do they do?
and how many are exchange?
and how many are exchange?
Strapped is £650
and i think there is another version or two.
Ahmed beam is around £1000
Danny B's i'm not too sure tbh...but he has different options available.
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Originally Posted by Nash
Ahmed beam is the one i will be going for i think.
I have had Mark and Ahmed adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
I have had Mark and Ahmed adjusted the camber and toe on my standard beam using various shims etc. Although not the ideal solution its transformed the handling and for the fraction of the cost of a full beam which i cannot afford the the moment.
I should imagine the WRC style setup Brom made for his 3 Door would be better than them all.
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the problem is that i have an estate, and the suspension pick up points are slightly different in relation to where the struts and springs sit so i don't want to fork out loads of cash only to find it doesn't work because it's different
if you see what i mean
the arms are different but the beam is the same so i'd have to provide estate arms to be modded, but they've got to be matched to the sturs i've got because they are different on the normla estates because of the bolt spacing on the bottoms
i don't have any camber issues, but other peole who run estates have loads of them so i don't know what the difference in mine is to theirs, i don't want to have to remove the beam off of my car to send up, but theren again, i don't nwat to give another beam to mod and then find it won't fit back in again or hasn't made a difference
if you see what i mean
the arms are different but the beam is the same so i'd have to provide estate arms to be modded, but they've got to be matched to the sturs i've got because they are different on the normla estates because of the bolt spacing on the bottoms
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i don't have any camber issues, but other peole who run estates have loads of them so i don't know what the difference in mine is to theirs, i don't want to have to remove the beam off of my car to send up, but theren again, i don't nwat to give another beam to mod and then find it won't fit back in again or hasn't made a difference
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