Mr Whippy

http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...hreadid=166533

How cheap is that

Seriously worth thinking about for a 500BHP jap taxi

PS this is not a for sale post

MAD EVO 4

Yep thats a good price but im thinking of going for mark sheads on developed stroker kit

Mr Whippy

Granted there are better kits out there, but for people who HAVE to do a rebuild (andy/morto on here springs to mind) then this price is tops. Not waiting for parts from the states, no import duties, nothing.

Uncle Winnett

theres a lot more that is needed to get 500bhp

john

Mr Whippy

Well duh!

Only kidding, i know that, but internally its a start.

morto

chris or you gona buy that kit? your doing a 2.3 arnt you, btw ollie has admitted today hes given me the wrong bearings

andy

Mr Whippy

Thats good news Andy!! Well, not as good as if he had got it right 1st time, but at least you know whats what now.......

As for that kit, yeah im thinking that for the money its worth a try. Throw all that in the spare and bolt on an FP green and i should have a very very responsive engine. Not after chasing figures, just want a drivable car. Well, a drivable QUICKER car i should say

morto

who you thinkin of buildin it mate, dave ears would be my choise he deals in both rs,s and evo,s ive been talkin to him today

andy

Mr Whippy

Yeah Dave is a good chap, but im thinking either Pete at autofixed or maybe martoon. Seeing as martin is only round the corner from me he would be the logical choice, and he obviously knows how to throw an engine together

Red16

got my stroker kit (Eagle crank, Eagle rods, JE pistons) delivered to my front door for 864 quid

glad i didnt get stung with import duty like i normally do

Mr Whippy

Thats the thing though, IF you can get away with avoiding the duty then its possible to get it cheaper. But for a ton i would rather have someone in this country i can shout at if it doesnt turn up........

Red16

true, i would too, but the option wasnt available when i bought it

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

How much would a similar kit cost for a Cossie? The crank alone would be more than that.

Disabled Account

A new STANDARD crank is £ 1500 + VAT from Cosworth

JonnyBravo

What are those parts rated to power wise though ?

Disabled Account

Ask Huss (the seller) by e-mail. info@performancepartsonline.co.uk

I believe he uses that kit on his own big power track-day car.

EDITED:
The Eagle Crank is rated at about 1500bhp. It is a Billet Crank, and weighs less than the Mitsubishi Crank.
The Yanks really like this crank, and is considered to be a far superior Crank(on paper).
Cheers,
Huss.

Chip

iTrader: (3)

Thats fucking insanely cheap!

GARETH T

thats so cheap

Chip

iTrader: (3)

I'm fairly tempted to buy one of those kits, even though I dont have an evo and im not likely to any time soon, you are NEVER going to lose money on the kit at that price im sure, and I bet they wont be available at that money for long, so as I intend to get an evo at some point in the future, it would almost make sense getting the kit "just in case" then I can always sell it later on if I dont use it.

JonnyBravo

Cheers mate,

I dont own a evo or plan to buy one but as others are saying it might be worth investing in one for the future as I can't see them coming back up for sale that cheap again !

M.A.D.RST

MikeR

Sounds like a good deal, watch out for a shed load of 500brake Evo's now

Mike

Red16

forgot to mention earlier you can also have a few different stroke options with the Eagle crank...

standard replacement 88mm... a middle of the road 94mm... and the long 100mm option

i stumped for the 100mm

Gary@APT runs the 100mm K1 crank in his Evo along with GT35 and other mods and he seems ery happy with the results... i suppose Christian is able to comment too, saying as hes been out in the car once or twice.

Red16

check out the price of this billet Eagle crank... if you can manage to escape import duty its incredibly cheap

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4G63-...spagenameZWDVW

£350 or $699 delivered to your English front door

or for the full kit with pistons and rods

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MITSU...spagenameZWDVW

Uncle Winnett

im runing the Eagle crank 100mm im well happy with the rsults i got just a shame im selling my car




john

Mr Whippy

With the exchange rate the way it is at the moment it makes sense to grab these american parts while they are so cheap.

Just wish i had the dough to grab 3 or 4 and leave them on the shelf

Azrael

To the owners of early Evos - does it really matter if it's stroked or standard on big turbo - the transfer will brake anyway

Mr Whippy

Been there done that

I seriously have 3 spare gearboxes But when funds allow ive found a properly strong dog box either from NZ or America for just shy of 3k. Used in an 800AWHP evo 2 so they are good for the numbers

Azrael

It is not the gearbox but the transfer box that is a problem

New Evo's are much better in this department but still not problem free. For Evo 4-6 I have heard good swap is transfer box from Evo 8 US (non ACD).

Mr Whippy

I have 2 spare of them too

Azrael

Youre sorted then for now

Mr Whippy

i really think i should just sell every early evo part i own, break the car, and put all the money towards an 8 lol

Azrael

Mr Whippy the only proble with new Evo's is that they have grown so heavy

Mr Whippy

Yeah its a shame really. Mind you, that just gives me an excuse to do the typical turbocharged car owners response........ and turn the boost up

Si B

iTrader: (59)

Prices looks good -the full kit for £740ish plus postage.

Any idea how you avoid the import duty ?

Not the old "Gift" idea - not with a parcel worth that amount... any one got any advice?

Si

ON-UJAH

K1 stuff is better than Eagle - a chap who used to work for Oliver started them and was propptly bought up by PMI (Carillo, JE, Wiseco, Perfect Bore, Chambon group) - the parts are produced in China then finished in USA.

Eagle are produced in China then matched in USA.

There's a major problem these days in the Evo scene with people dealing parts from their bedroom or small premesis - they take advantage of years of work by official importers then buy the same parts in bulk through the US and flood the market - often making a few pounds on items costing hundreds if not thousands.

Obviously genuine traders are not happy and a lot of long term businesses have gone under recently.

Of course every customer likes to make a bargain, but it's almost out of control on the evo scene these days.

Often you read things like "I won't support UK tuners with their fat wallets" on the MLR - it would be interesting to see how the same people would react if their employer decided to relocate to somewhere where the workers were cheaper, leaving them behind.

There are two sides to every coin, I agree the exchange rate is great but there is a flip side.

How long do you think Arrow will survive, or will they be forced to relocate to China?

The UK has a long tradition in engineering and quality race parts, and official importers have been serving Evo customers for years as well as supporting the UK firms and tuners.

Please consider these points before importing yourself or using a grey importer.

Mr Whippy

A good point and very well put across, but come on, you cant really expect people to pay MORE money for basically the same stuff simply because some manufacturers have higher costs than others....... Its a dog eat dog world, be competitive price wise, not necessarily the cheapest but not massively more expensive and if the quality is good then you will survive while the cheaper opposition dont.

ON-UJAH

Yes I agree completely - the official sources must, and do, react to the situation.

I firmly believe the best way to run a business is to work with the official sources and follow their RRPs. You can make deals, face to face or by email etc. but published prices should be RRP or very close to it.

Unfortunately (most of) the US and Chinese manufacturers couldn't care less if you have been their partner for years, and the US wholesalers have so much competition that they are keen for any new trade - if some guy running a firm out of his bedroom starts emailing with 5 grand to spend, they all supply him, regardless of their being an official distributor or not.

If they then choose to knock everything on at very little profit, they can do so - thats the only way they can buy themselves into the market, really. I actually believe some on the MLR do it just so they can feel they have some friends...

But they won't make any long term friends in the trade, and you need long term relationships to really build a business.

Read the MLR for a week and you'll soon see that there is a small conglomerate of small scale firms helping each other out and knocking out goods for silly prices.

What they do isn't wrong - but it's also not right either.

Red16

SiB avoiding the import duty is just pot luck... sometimes you do... sometimes you dont

morto

the thing is the world is changing, and alot of it is to do with the internet! gone r the days when we just had a handfull of shops to go to , now you can shop anywere in the world from the comfort of your home, its like me i took a chance on a new turbo from the usa at a fantastic price it arrived in record time and i coud track it all the way from the states when it arrived it was mint and has been fantastic for probaly half the price of a turbo from the uk..


big 16g factory ported will produce an easy 380bhp

im also just looking into getting a new crank from the states for $600 thats 300 quid to ya door as the yanks or well into the evo thers lots of parts plus they use the evo engine in a couple of other cars

andy