markk

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i had it done many years ago by MSD, have a chat with stu/kenny about it

RS500/364

i should have though the chip surply voltage on off stu is it that simple

Big G

Good thread, keep it up peoples

Turbosystems

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all these options require the fitment of a pectel p8 board from then on it is software on the chip

Stu @ M Developments

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As an alternative we offer all those options on both L8 and P8 without any form of Pectel board.

markk

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not any more pal

RWD_cossie_wil

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everytime Stu

Turbosystems

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mark there are far more functions available on the pectel conversion to the p8 than non pectel add ons.Do remeber the pectel products were developed for the works rally cars over a decade ago and the products have moved on as have the cars the p8 is obsolite and the pectel t6 and t10 ecu's power the escort in it's latter years and currently the mighty focus.So bin the l8 and p8 and any add ons and just buy a pectel t6
How this got into a stu's is better than pectels i don't know
Maybe it was when stu decided to post that the pectel cpv2 boards fail

I stand by my original statement in answer to the post topic the p8 is superior to the l8 as is the p8's standard ability to run wasted spark

Chip

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RP Labs L8 gets my vote, just to add to the confusion, although I cant comment on long term reliability yet i guess.

Turbosystems

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an RP labs p8 would be better chip

markk

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one would be very nieve to think that weber only had functions for the cosworth variants tony,
the reason pectel produced their own boards as it was an easy way to cheat for group N to start with then a cheaper decodeing option to fords then mappers as weber would not - quite rightly give them the coding options to their current production brand ecu.

i agree that my prefered weber ecu is still the P8 - purely becuase ive used it to more of an extent than most and have had excellant results and reliability.

Oh and, thanks for the T6 info, but i have already bought one a while back for my new car even though T6 2000 is miles out of date now compared to pectels newest range

Chip

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Not available as far as im aware.

Turbosystems

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correct chip the l8 version uses the pectel datastream but apparently it appears that the pectel stuff isn't any good according to some on this post

Chip

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I thought it used a completely custom data stream TBH tony.

bud-weis

It's amazing how narrow minded people become eh??

You'd think there was only 1 tuning company in the world

Turbosystems

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if you have an l8 and want wasted spark buy the after market secs board if you have a p8 use the p8's internal ability to run wasted spark

markk

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i did as at the time the reliability of the SECS board could not be trusted, this has since been sorted but that was probably 5 years ago perhaps.

P8 did everything i wanted in a competition car superbly without pectels help.

Turbosystems

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mark according to this post the l8 is better than the p8 lol
what software did you use in your p8 mark

markk

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i met some very clever people many years ago who, just like pectel had the ability to work wonders with ECU data protocols and adress software, and this was trialled by me for a few years, probably developed into some of the products you see on the market today.

Stu @ M Developments

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How did such a simple topic turn so sour?

I stand by my original advice. The L8 properly mapped will be fine for 95% of applications. It's more reliable, and that counts for a lot. Not to mention its usually several hundred pounds cheaper.

For the record since the issue was mentioned on this topic, dont forget those people who want WS on the P8 also have the hidden cost of buying a new rev counter if they wish to use the internal WS strategy. Thats why we sell the driver board for the P8 as well as L8 as to some people that isnt an option.


Thats one of the reasons we sell, it, others are:
Different boost levels.
Different rev limits.
Different fuel altogether.

The most common of all is as a Valet switch. We supply it as a keyswitch so that when the key is removed, you have a 3500rpm rev limiter (any limit of your choice) and no boost at all. This is good for when you leave the car with a garage or maybe painter so they cant go out ragging your car while they have it, but they can move it around as required. The system is available for all Weber Cosworth ECU's.

RS500/364

how does that switch on ? good idea

Stu @ M Developments

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Sorry pal, how do you mean?
Its on either a flick switch, or a security key switch so you can take the key out of the car with you to prevent them turning it back on.

RS500/364

i meat to wire into the ecu does it take it to earth or something like that on a ecu pin ?

Mike Rainbird

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If you have L8, the obviously stick with this, if you have P8, then I would personally rather use the wasted spark set-up on this, as it works fantastically (albeit with the problems with the rev counter reading half engine speed that Stu mentions).

I have had P8 / Super P8 on my car for the whole time I have had it, and it has never been an issue .

Stu @ M Developments

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Ah, no mate it connects to a wire on teh chip i sell you at the time.

RS500/364

does it cost ? or can you do on my chip ?
chip ant there tonight FFS but i will sort out meeting him before your wedding and pay him or i sure he will pay you and i give it to him on the next meeting

Chip

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Yeah I dont mind collecting and paying for it this weekend if Stu happens to have one with him at his wedding

SillyFezzaMk1

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Ok fellas looks like i'll use the P8 as I have a chocie of rev counters and such....its going in a mk1 fiesta 4x4 cossie anyhow so can pretty much do what I want dash wise.

I have a choice of ecu's and I like the idea of closed loop and wasted spark...not to mention what i'd like to do i nthe future... if the P8 as std is better equipped to run these then its a no brainer.

Thanks for the info guys...

Dan

RS500/364

i think he will send it so i can get it fit the weekend only need Ł65 to pay him for a lamda and boss fitting if you pay for me i sort you out next time if your ok with that !!

SillyFezzaMk1

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This is the ECU I should be getting in the post very soon; can you tell me any info from the label? obv other than the fact its a P8 LOL




Cheers
Dan

Dave Henshall

pretty sure that its an air con compatible one aswell from teh part no. whihch means when a certain pin is earthed (when the air con comes on) the ecu knows about it and raises the idle speed slightly so that its doen't almost stall the car

bud-weis

isn't that a L8??

Jasesapphy

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I use a P8, and use the wasted spark within the ECU, i got a P8 because it came up very cheap, but would of been more than happy with a L8.
As Stu does my chip what i gained by not paying for the wasted spark driver from Stu had to be put into buting a rev gauge, (which ended up a full stack dash) .

I would be more than happy to use both, however now Stu does launch control on the L8 kind of wish i went that way, i realise i can still have the anti lag though .

The ecu works great with closed loop and wasted spark and as Dan will vouch pulled over 38 to the gallon on the way to ford fair, as we were sat at about 70mph all the way there.


As a compasrison while im on about closed loop, myself and a friend both did national day he is running greys and a T34.63, im on Blacks and a T34.55 he done Over Ł80.00 in fuel i did Ł50.00

Spot cock on

As for the P8 and L8 i know Stu likes the L8 as they are more reliable than P8s, and for me really reliability is the most important issue

SillyFezzaMk1

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What when it says P8 at the end of the top line of the label.....and the L8's i've seen all have green or red labels not white.

Dan

Mad Matt

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He's kidding mate.

Or is he ?

SillyFezzaMk1

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anyone know where I can get wiring diagrams for the loom I need to make? Its going to be P8 with coilpack and closed loop....But I'l also Like to wire in water injection but just not connect it up as thats a planned future mod.

Cheers
Dan

Jasesapphy

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Buy a complete loom of Ryan job jobbed, get it in 2 days with everything you could want

Jasesapphy

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He did Mine, P8 on wasted Spark with Closed Loop, Secs Lead, everything, top quality as well

SillyFezzaMk1

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I agree but my bank manager doesnt; plus I have a very nifty electronics friend who's offered to do it for free if I supply connectors, wire and diagrams.

Plus I dont think a std loom layout will work as its a fiesta project so things might be in odd places meaning a std cossie layout might not work too well.

What sort of csah does a Ryan loom with all the trimmings cost btw?

Dan