nos fake power?
27-09-2004, 12:27 PM
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nos fake power?
do ye guys think nos should be included in a cars real power specs?
don't fly off the handle anyone that runs it!I know its helps greatly for 1/4 mile cars,but for on road runs ain't it useless?
don't fly off the handle anyone that runs it!I know its helps greatly for 1/4 mile cars,but for on road runs ain't it useless?
27-09-2004, 12:35 PM
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My only problem with nitrous is that in PROPER amounts (ie 100+bhp) it dont last any time at all, so useless for the road, and now im seing how little time it lasts im put right off it actually.
And unles a car has been RRd/Dynod with the nitrous on they shouldnt say a power figure for it as its a total guess (eg- 600bhp without gas, 750with).
Its NOT cheating tho IMO, but its nowt to be super proud of (ie 700bhp with gas is nowhere near as impressive from same engine same power no gas).
Remember its similar to a turbo, just gives the car more oxygen to burn, just unfortunatley it lasts fuck all time.
Its not as bad as using racefuel tho i reckon as thats much more effort than the other 2, drain the tank and refill with race gas, expensive and time consuming for a road car, it makes it not a road car IMO.
Ive no problem with slicks, but then again almost everybody uses roadlegal slicks anyhow so no bother.
And unles a car has been RRd/Dynod with the nitrous on they shouldnt say a power figure for it as its a total guess (eg- 600bhp without gas, 750with).
Its NOT cheating tho IMO, but its nowt to be super proud of (ie 700bhp with gas is nowhere near as impressive from same engine same power no gas).
Remember its similar to a turbo, just gives the car more oxygen to burn, just unfortunatley it lasts fuck all time.
Its not as bad as using racefuel tho i reckon as thats much more effort than the other 2, drain the tank and refill with race gas, expensive and time consuming for a road car, it makes it not a road car IMO.
Ive no problem with slicks, but then again almost everybody uses roadlegal slicks anyhow so no bother.
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If Nitrous is cheating, so is turbo charging and super charging, it's a liquid turbo that runs out.
Power's power, doesn't matter how you get it
Do it Justin
Power's power, doesn't matter how you get it
Do it Justin
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27-09-2004, 12:37 PM
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On teh subject of NOS being "Cheating" 
Whenever i ask a customer "Why?"?
I always get a response similar to:
"Its only fast until the NOS runs out"
Well ive got news for you guys, my respose is usually:
"your car without NOS is only fast until your petrol runs out too" 
Seriously, whats the difference?
NOS is simply another way of getting compressed oxygen into our cylinders, just like a turbo but with the bonus that it doesnt cost us power as soon as we bolt it onto an engine like a conventional turbo does...
Whenever i ask a customer "Why?"?
I always get a response similar to:
"Its only fast until the NOS runs out"
Well ive got news for you guys, my respose is usually:
"your car without NOS is only fast until your petrol runs out too"
Seriously, whats the difference?
NOS is simply another way of getting compressed oxygen into our cylinders, just like a turbo but with the bonus that it doesnt cost us power as soon as we bolt it onto an engine like a conventional turbo does...
27-09-2004, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PF Dave
If Nitrous is cheating, so is turbo charging and super charging, it's a liquid turbo that runs out.
Power's power, doesn't matter how you get it
Do it Justin
Power's power, doesn't matter how you get it
Do it Justin
27-09-2004, 12:40 PM
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I don't think nitrous is cheating. It's just another way of making power. However I do feel that when power figures are quoted they should be quoted with and without the gas. Just my opinion though
27-09-2004, 12:44 PM
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How much is it to fill a decent sized car nitrous bottle, and how long does it last with say, 100bhp, or 150bhp, nitrous jet(s)?
I dont know the exact figures (tho its been mentioned before), but the answers somewhere long the lines of "not that cheap" and "no time at all" which is what totaly puts me off.
I dont know the exact figures (tho its been mentioned before), but the answers somewhere long the lines of "not that cheap" and "no time at all" which is what totaly puts me off.
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fair points steve..
maybe its just me but i have more respect for cars that make the figures on (real) power and by real i mean power that's there all the time!
should there be separate classes for cars that run nos
maybe its just me but i have more respect for cars that make the figures on (real) power and by real i mean power that's there all the time!
should there be separate classes for cars that run nos
27-09-2004, 12:52 PM
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If we talking TOTB here then...
Seperate classes for Non Pump Fuel and Non Roadlegal Tyres, too...
Needing to use pump fuel will piss on a LOT of peoples bonfires as a lot of cars (tho not many RS's yet) are blatantly built for race fuel and run with far far less power when on pump fuel.
Non roadlegal tyres should have a different class too, but at TOTB there was cars running MT baloon slicks that mightve had a few grooves in em, but im pretty certain they not roadlegal...
Hard to say if seperate class for nitrous, id say yes and no...
YES to seperate them from n/a cars, should be a class for Turbo/SC/Nitrous at least.
BUT as Nitrous is in very limited amounts, maybe a class on its own...
Seperate classes for Non Pump Fuel and Non Roadlegal Tyres, too...
Needing to use pump fuel will piss on a LOT of peoples bonfires as a lot of cars (tho not many RS's yet) are blatantly built for race fuel and run with far far less power when on pump fuel.
Non roadlegal tyres should have a different class too, but at TOTB there was cars running MT baloon slicks that mightve had a few grooves in em, but im pretty certain they not roadlegal...
Hard to say if seperate class for nitrous, id say yes and no...
YES to seperate them from n/a cars, should be a class for Turbo/SC/Nitrous at least.
BUT as Nitrous is in very limited amounts, maybe a class on its own...
27-09-2004, 12:53 PM
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don't get me wrong guys nos work brilliant when done right but doesn't it take the road car element away from the car?records over the years were always set on pump fuel...doesn't nos go against this rule
27-09-2004, 12:54 PM
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I have absolutely no doubt it is quick! lol dynoed at 600hp 
Just I found nos to be ace at bring in boost MUCH earlier as well as top end power so is perfect for brunters attempt.....hence why I was going to cheat with nos at the 1st PF shootout that never happened ROFLOL
Just I found nos to be ace at bring in boost MUCH earlier as well as top end power so is perfect for brunters attempt.....hence why I was going to cheat with nos at the 1st PF shootout that never happened ROFLOL
27-09-2004, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by justin.e
don't get me wrong guys nos work brilliant when done right but doesn't it take the road car element away from the car?records over the years were always set on pump fuel...doesn't nos go against this rule
27-09-2004, 12:57 PM
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don't get me wrong guys nos work brilliant when done right but doesn't it take the road car element away from the car?records over the years were always set on pump fuel...doesn't nos go against this rule
27-09-2004, 12:58 PM
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NOS IMO is ok and not cheating, but i wouldnt compare a car with NOS with one that doesnt.
you wouldnt compare a n/a engine with a car that is turbo'd would u? there just in different catagories.
you wouldnt compare a n/a engine with a car that is turbo'd would u? there just in different catagories.
27-09-2004, 12:58 PM
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Justin if a car does something good as all turbo i am sure it will be recognised but i would take nothing away from the nos cars as i have seen so many that dont work and deffo make no extra top end power!
27-09-2004, 01:05 PM
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Different classes.
N/A (Inc varous categories for engine size)
FWD/RWD/4WD
Turbo/Supercharged (Sub 2.6litre and 2.6litre+ will do there IMO)
Nitrous
Race Fuel
Non-Roadlegal Tyres
Non-Road Car
You cant properly judge cars performances in different classes as they just too different...
You might even have to go further and have a class for cars with "Normal" rear ends compared to ones with tubbed inner rear arches and/or drag rear suspension setup, ladder bar etc (like DannyBs saff), as that makes a HUGE difference, and i know in the USA for example more n more Supras are having drag rear ends and you cant really compare their performance to ones with the traditional Supra rear suspension setup.
N/A (Inc varous categories for engine size)
FWD/RWD/4WD
Turbo/Supercharged (Sub 2.6litre and 2.6litre+ will do there IMO)
Nitrous
Race Fuel
Non-Roadlegal Tyres
Non-Road Car
You cant properly judge cars performances in different classes as they just too different...
You might even have to go further and have a class for cars with "Normal" rear ends compared to ones with tubbed inner rear arches and/or drag rear suspension setup, ladder bar etc (like DannyBs saff), as that makes a HUGE difference, and i know in the USA for example more n more Supras are having drag rear ends and you cant really compare their performance to ones with the traditional Supra rear suspension setup.
27-09-2004, 01:07 PM
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well ive got it and it sure as hell aint fake i can tell you that
admitedly its a pisser when it runs out (i get circa 3 minutes continuous use from a full 11lb bottle (and most places can only fill a bottle to about 7lb) but when it is working it sure as hell aint fake! lol
admitedly its a pisser when it runs out (i get circa 3 minutes continuous use from a full 11lb bottle (and most places can only fill a bottle to about 7lb) but when it is working it sure as hell aint fake! lol
27-09-2004, 01:07 PM
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it aint cheating but for example
if I run a 13.5 @110 and matey boy runs 13.5 @110 but he has 100bhp of Nitrous then who's is the more impressive time- seeing as I could whack nitrous on and go faster still.
I dont agree its cheating everyone is out for the most power for the least money- I just dont think its AS impressive as a car without doing the same.
J
if I run a 13.5 @110 and matey boy runs 13.5 @110 but he has 100bhp of Nitrous then who's is the more impressive time- seeing as I could whack nitrous on and go faster still.
I dont agree its cheating everyone is out for the most power for the least money- I just dont think its AS impressive as a car without doing the same.
J
27-09-2004, 01:10 PM
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cheapest quote from a "normal" place is 3.80 per LB
so about 40quid a refil
thats a lot of money for 3mins! lol (but then youll never use it for more than about 10secs at a time imho unless you got a shit slow car)
i can get it cheaper using other methods tho (and no, not theft )
so about 40quid a refil
thats a lot of money for 3mins! lol (but then youll never use it for more than about 10secs at a time imho unless you got a shit slow car)
i can get it cheaper using other methods tho (and no, not theft
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27-09-2004, 01:12 PM
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also daves quote of 50jets lasting 11mins is based on a 50 nitrous jet (aka 25bhp increase) as you'd use a 100 jet for a 50bhp increase (approximately) i've got 150 nitrous, 40 fuel in mine...
moving upto to 100 jets on thursday tho
moving upto to 100 jets on thursday tho
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waste of money imo, totally impractical for a road car as said above .
NOS is for the strip and thats all its good for
i know that petrol runs out as well but you cant exactly go to your local petrol station and fill your bottle up now can you??
also i should hope that a tank of fuel lasts more than 3 mins
NOS is for the strip and thats all its good for
i know that petrol runs out as well but you cant exactly go to your local petrol station and fill your bottle up now can you??
also i should hope that a tank of fuel lasts more than 3 mins
27-09-2004, 02:16 PM
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Well you can run a seperate tank and inject methanol from the fuel pulsoid and nitrous I believe, but technically your still using the same pump fuel as the rest of the engine so it's doing nothing other than creating much more powerful combustion! LOL
Jim's figures are right BUT for N/A use, on turbo cars, that benefit enormously from the cooler ACT's caused by the nitrous you can usually see closer to the jet size, and sometimes even more.
Jim's figures are right BUT for N/A use, on turbo cars, that benefit enormously from the cooler ACT's caused by the nitrous you can usually see closer to the jet size, and sometimes even more.
