RS 500 Stamping Debate
23-07-2007, 11:53 AM
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RS 500 Stamping Debate
I have just read April/Mays RSOC Rallye News where it states there would be a write up on the stamping issues in July/August edition. Well i have just read the newest Rallye News edition and theres not a mention anywhere of it. Whos hiding what here ? This has been talked bout to death i know but why say there explaining it all and then they don't ? 
23-07-2007, 12:00 PM
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Fuck, my apologys if it is I read both of em on a flight to Spain last week and gave them away to someone in Spain when i read em so cant check lol....
I read both of em on a flight to Spain last week and gave them away to someone in Spain when i read em so cant check lol....
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23-07-2007, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
"Limited" investigation? 
Is that it?
Is that it?
So just asked someone who used to work there
23-07-2007, 01:25 PM
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as long as you got the id who care except the next buyer or someone that will never get one
and i sure there are a few that have been REBOURN and built better than tickfords did
and i sure there are a few that have been REBOURN and built better than tickfords did
23-07-2007, 01:30 PM
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didnt mike raibird solve thatone ? i sent him pictures of my mates RS500 who is chassis number 1. it was given to eggenberger for winning the championship by ford...i dont think that car could be doubted.....
now go ask mike and stop the damn debate....
michael
now go ask mike and stop the damn debate....
michael
23-07-2007, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by EsCosRacer
didnt mike raibird solve thatone ? i sent him pictures of my mates RS500 who is chassis number 1. it was given to eggenberger for winning the championship by ford...i dont think that car could be doubted.....
now go ask mike and stop the damn debate....
michael
now go ask mike and stop the damn debate....
michael
This is old news about the stamp issues
I personaly have been involved in helping 3 people buy a 500 in the last week , and not one person ,,eithe buyer OR seller mentioned the chassie stamp issue , all 3 cars were checked for the correct chassie numbers to verify they were gen 500"s ( all were correct ) and all 3 sales went through without any concern on if they were up or down
,ITS OLD NEWS PEOPLE ,,,,,,,, As it says in The latest Rallye news , they were stamped up and down
Paul
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23-07-2007, 04:46 PM
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It is great to hear the issue is understood, everybody is happy and we can rely on the RSOC statement, I do hope whoever caused this problem has been barred from the RSOC then it all can be forgotten.
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23-07-2007, 04:49 PM
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hi peeps
this is my version i dont care what anyone says 98% of the floor numbers were shamped up
the 500 is an evolution and these were the 10% that ford kept back or maybe the last on the production line . They were all built as 3drs not 500
there are also 3dr's with GG chasiss numbers aswell
if the numbers are stamped down and they have the proper "ford Star" at the begining and at the end of the number then it is ligit ford stamped chassis number if its hasn't got the ford star at the begining or the end , then it's stamped in jobbie
what you have to understand with the stamping of the numbers when doing alot of cars the stamps have to be changed as they lose their sharpness and the production line is still continuose so the cars missed with the up numbers will be done later on
i was told this form a lad the use to work and it still goes on today
marco
this is my version i dont care what anyone says 98% of the floor numbers were shamped up
the 500 is an evolution and these were the 10% that ford kept back or maybe the last on the production line . They were all built as 3drs not 500
there are also 3dr's with GG chasiss numbers aswell
if the numbers are stamped down and they have the proper "ford Star" at the begining and at the end of the number then it is ligit ford stamped chassis number if its hasn't got the ford star at the begining or the end , then it's stamped in jobbie
what you have to understand with the stamping of the numbers when doing alot of cars the stamps have to be changed as they lose their sharpness and the production line is still continuose so the cars missed with the up numbers will be done later on
i was told this form a lad the use to work and it still goes on today
marco
23-07-2007, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by marco polo
hi peeps
this is my version i dont care what anyone says 98% of the floor numbers were shamped up
the 500 is an evolution and these were the 10% that ford kept back or maybe the last on the production line . They were all built as 3drs not 500
there are also 3dr's with GG chasiss numbers aswell
if the numbers are stamped down and they have the proper "ford Star" at the begining and at the end of the number then it is ligit ford stamped chassis number if its hasn't got the ford star at the begining or the end , then it's stamped in jobbie
what you have to understand with the stamping of the numbers when doing alot of cars the stamps have to be changed as they lose their sharpness and the production line is still continuose so the cars missed with the up numbers will be done later on
i was told this form a lad the use to work and it still goes on today
marco
this is my version i dont care what anyone says 98% of the floor numbers were shamped up
the 500 is an evolution and these were the 10% that ford kept back or maybe the last on the production line . They were all built as 3drs not 500
there are also 3dr's with GG chasiss numbers aswell
if the numbers are stamped down and they have the proper "ford Star" at the begining and at the end of the number then it is ligit ford stamped chassis number if its hasn't got the ford star at the begining or the end , then it's stamped in jobbie
what you have to understand with the stamping of the numbers when doing alot of cars the stamps have to be changed as they lose their sharpness and the production line is still continuose so the cars missed with the up numbers will be done later on
i was told this form a lad the use to work and it still goes on today
marco
Thanks for your reply
Just one thing tho
Its a lot lot less than 98% that were atamped up ,,people would be amazed how many are stamped down ,,and there are blocks of cars that are all stamped down in succession , just one of the bits of evidence that was used to sort this issue
23-07-2007, 05:15 PM
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hi paul
thats cool i never knew that, im only going on what i was told but then again he wasn't on the production line with the cosworths
like you said if theres blocks of cars that are all stamped down in succesion well that proves it which is good to know
marco
thats cool i never knew that, im only going on what i was told but then again he wasn't on the production line with the cosworths
like you said if theres blocks of cars that are all stamped down in succesion well that proves it which is good to know
marco
23-07-2007, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pugo
i worked at ford's lates 80's early 90's and the number up and down things is a load of crap in respect of its originality
if you look at some mk3 fiestas, some of them are up and some are down too
the reason why, is the stamps last circa 1000 to 1100 cars so need to be replaced.....and they are every 6 hrs......this takes about 10 to 20 mins to realign in the machine (as they are not hand stamped by a numpty with a hammer) whilst the tooling is being changed the line carries on so ten odd cars go through with no numbers, they get finished i.e fully trimmed up....at the end of the line any missed items off the car or wrongly fitted parts are changed by teams including chassis numbers....obviously they cannot fit the machine in the car as it now has seats and carpet in the way so are issued from the underside i.e up
cossies like any other car chassis number did not run concurrently on the production line nor did they ever make ten in a row, they are built on the line as per order number...so they will never run in batches of specific models so the numbers up and down will be purely random, also if the chassis number of said shell had not been assigned or the ticket is ineligible or even ifthe stamp man decided he was rolling a fag or just decided to miss a couple for any reason.....he knew they would get picked up at the end (any excuse really to get 5 mins off that line lol )
so as you can hopefully see..........it is all just crap...!
HTH
Pugo
if you look at some mk3 fiestas, some of them are up and some are down too
the reason why, is the stamps last circa 1000 to 1100 cars so need to be replaced.....and they are every 6 hrs......this takes about 10 to 20 mins to realign in the machine (as they are not hand stamped by a numpty with a hammer) whilst the tooling is being changed the line carries on so ten odd cars go through with no numbers, they get finished i.e fully trimmed up....at the end of the line any missed items off the car or wrongly fitted parts are changed by teams including chassis numbers....obviously they cannot fit the machine in the car as it now has seats and carpet in the way so are issued from the underside i.e up
cossies like any other car chassis number did not run concurrently on the production line nor did they ever make ten in a row, they are built on the line as per order number...so they will never run in batches of specific models so the numbers up and down will be purely random, also if the chassis number of said shell had not been assigned or the ticket is ineligible or even ifthe stamp man decided he was rolling a fag or just decided to miss a couple for any reason.....he knew they would get picked up at the end (any excuse really to get 5 mins off that line lol )
so as you can hopefully see..........it is all just crap...!
HTH
Pugo
https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...67815&start=38
Few more quotes from same thread
Originally Posted by Shings
Originally Posted by lloyd
Originally Posted by Karting
Originally Posted by lloyd
just to clear up a few comments,when the new engine went in the rs500 the old engine went back in the crate and went back to ford.the 500 engine was allocated to a particular rs 500 chassis number.tickford did not stamp any engine or chassis numbers.
Tickford did not stamp any engine or chassis numbers
Cosworth stamped YBD numbers(at Cosworth before they went to Tickford) they were put in random in the RS500's
Jake
Originally Posted by lloyd
i dont know why but the chassis numbers where stamped up and down. how do i know? because i had to check them when they arrived at tickford,and it was discussed by the mechanics at the time.end of argument. .
how do i know? because i had to check them when they arrived at tickford,and it was discussed by the mechanics at the time.end of argument. .Was disappointed with RSOC statement, the Passionford thread made far better reading
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