First pictures of new engine/turbo .
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Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Lists them at the bottom as coming soon
http://www.mongooseexhausts.com/Coll...components.htm
http://www.mongooseexhausts.com/Coll...components.htm
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
They'll be weak and shit
Great for N/A use in cars where weight matters and there is no torque, but shit for a turbo.
Thats my prediction anyway!
Great for N/A use in cars where weight matters and there is no torque, but shit for a turbo.
Thats my prediction anyway!
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
They'll be weak and shit
Great for N/A use in cars where weight matters and there is no torque, but shit for a turbo.
Thats my prediction anyway!
Great for N/A use in cars where weight matters and there is no torque, but shit for a turbo.
Thats my prediction anyway!
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
This has been proven to work on the 700bhp engine that Harvey recently did, so I think it will be okay for my ickly baby 500 engine .
Mike
We are now over 800bhp
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Mike, if you could get that casting, but NOT in alloy, that would be the bollocks!
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
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Cosworth have released a new alloy block themselves have they not? Do they rate it for big power?
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Originally Posted by Porkie
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fantastic job guys - best of luck on the dyno
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how does that differ from the millington block ?? slowly this thread turns into something really really exciting
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Cosworth have released a new alloy block themselves have they not? Do they rate it for big power?
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how does that differ from the millington block ?? slowly this thread turns into something really really exciting
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
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get them to do a titanium one
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Originally Posted by MadRod
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
This has been proven to work on the 700bhp engine that Harvey recently did, so I think it will be okay for my ickly baby 500 engine .
Mike
We are now over 800bhp
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Originally Posted by jacko
get them to do a titanium one
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be interesting to see what them new blocks are truly good for rather than just speculating.
remember back in the RSOC days everyone who should know better saying RS500 spec was the ultimate and any more would cost millions of pounds, last 2 seconds, and be totally undrivable, and we all know how much bollocks that was
remember back in the RSOC days everyone who should know better saying RS500 spec was the ultimate and any more would cost millions of pounds, last 2 seconds, and be totally undrivable, and we all know how much bollocks that was
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Originally Posted by Stavros
be interesting to see what them new blocks are truly good for rather than just speculating.
remember back in the RSOC days everyone who should know better saying RS500 spec was the ultimate and any more would cost millions of pounds, last 2 seconds, and be totally undrivable, and we all know how much bollocks that was
remember back in the RSOC days everyone who should know better saying RS500 spec was the ultimate and any more would cost millions of pounds, last 2 seconds, and be totally undrivable, and we all know how much bollocks that was
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So your saying a RS500 T4's boost threashold is noticably much better than a GT35? In the cars ive been in it seemed about the same, both a bit shit.
And even if what your saying is bob on, its nothing compared to the crap that used to be spouted on the RSOC about how bad/expensive they would be
And even if what your saying is bob on, its nothing compared to the crap that used to be spouted on the RSOC about how bad/expensive they would be
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Originally Posted by Stavros
So your saying a RS500 T4's boost threashold is noticably much better than a GT35? In the cars ive been in it seemed about the same, both a bit shit.
And even if what your saying is bob on, its nothing compared to the crap that used to be spouted on the RSOC about how bad/expensive they would be
And even if what your saying is bob on, its nothing compared to the crap that used to be spouted on the RSOC about how bad/expensive they would be
So 2½ times as expensive is insignificant in your mind? Why do you think there are so few GENUINE 650+ cars about (and I'm not talking about the bullshit power cars from Norway etc ) ?
I still think that although the Brits may not have lead the way in innovation, they're certainly ahead in execution (having been to Gatebil and seen the Scandanavian cars in action).
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Chip,
I haven't experienced a GT30 for myself, but I I would be surprised if you could tell the difference between the latest roller-bearing cored T4s and a GT30 .
However, I agree that going beyond a particular size turbo on a 2 litre (as Doug found out) is pointless and a huge compromise JUST to chase numbers for down't pub .
I haven't experienced a GT30 for myself, but I I would be surprised if you could tell the difference between the latest roller-bearing cored T4s and a GT30 .
However, I agree that going beyond a particular size turbo on a 2 litre (as Doug found out) is pointless and a huge compromise JUST to chase numbers for down't pub .
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500rpm is NOT the kind of crap people were saying back in the day, 500rpm isnt much, and a lot of RS500 T4 setups seem to be more like 4500, so no change at all.
I dunno about you but id not expect a significant increase in price of a build just becuase the rev range has been extened by 500rpm
And of course 2.5times increase (if your using same crank, rods, pistons, cams, inlet, ehxuast, etc etc etc as a RS500 T4 setup to get an extra 50-100bhp, im not sure how it can be 2.5times more expensive anyhow?) is huge, but still pales into comparison to what used to get spoke about.
And what im talking about was before we started to see the Norwiegan cars anyhow.
I dunno about you but id not expect a significant increase in price of a build just becuase the rev range has been extened by 500rpm
And of course 2.5times increase (if your using same crank, rods, pistons, cams, inlet, ehxuast, etc etc etc as a RS500 T4 setup to get an extra 50-100bhp, im not sure how it can be 2.5times more expensive anyhow?) is huge, but still pales into comparison to what used to get spoke about.
And what im talking about was before we started to see the Norwiegan cars anyhow.
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Mike, can you tell the difference between the latest roller bearing T4 and the original RS500 one?
If so, stavros is right that things have moved on when people said they wouldnt.
Regards
Chip
If so, stavros is right that things have moved on when people said they wouldnt.
Regards
Chip
Originally Posted by Stavros
500rpm is NOT the kind of crap people were saying back in the day, 500rpm isnt much, and a lot of RS500 T4 setups seem to be more like 4500, so no change at all.
I dunno about you but id not expect a significant increase in price of a build just becuase the rev range has been extened by 500rpm
And of course 2.5times increase (if your using same crank, rods, pistons, cams, inlet, ehxuast, etc etc etc as a RS500 T4 setup to get an extra 50-100bhp, im not sure how it can be 2.5times more expensive anyhow?) is huge, but still pales into comparison to what used to get spoke about.
And what im talking about was before we started to see the Norwiegan cars anyhow.
I dunno about you but id not expect a significant increase in price of a build just becuase the rev range has been extened by 500rpm
And of course 2.5times increase (if your using same crank, rods, pistons, cams, inlet, ehxuast, etc etc etc as a RS500 T4 setup to get an extra 50-100bhp, im not sure how it can be 2.5times more expensive anyhow?) is huge, but still pales into comparison to what used to get spoke about.
And what im talking about was before we started to see the Norwiegan cars anyhow.
You're forgetting that when you get to this power level you HAVE to have the block linered, as it is almost impossible to find a good early 200 block that isn't made of monkey metal . So linered block - £2k ish.
Also you have to change the 2wd manifold for anything over 600bhp, which then adds the cost of a tubular manifold and external wastegate - £1.5-£2k.
Solid lifter top end (inc cams) to safely allow revs above 8k - £1k+
A suitable turbo will be £1,300ish.
Without mods, even the RS500 inlet becomes restrictive at 600bhp, so this needs changing / or modifying.
The costs just ramp up and up, as everything around it needs improving / changing as well (intercoolers / cooling systems).
I bet if you actually sat down and added up the costs even on the cheap you'd get to an horrendous figure.
Also, if you'd spent all that money, you wouldn't want to trust it all to the shonky OE loom and ECU , so at least another £1.5k to get a good ECU and loom.
All the above is without the internals (crank £1.5k, rods £750-£900, pistons £700 etc etc) and headwork yet .
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by Stavros
So your saying a RS500 T4's boost threashold is noticably much better than a GT35? In the cars ive been in it seemed about the same, both a bit shit.
And even if what your saying is bob on, its nothing compared to the crap that used to be spouted on the RSOC about how bad/expensive they would be
And even if what your saying is bob on, its nothing compared to the crap that used to be spouted on the RSOC about how bad/expensive they would be
So 2½ times as expensive is insignificant in your mind? Why do you think there are so few GENUINE 650+ cars about (and I'm not talking about the bullshit power cars from Norway etc ) ?
I still think that although the Brits may not have lead the way in innovation, they're certainly ahead in execution (having been to Gatebil and seen the Scandanavian cars in action).
Mike just take a look at my latest GT40/88 Graph it has more torgue at 4200rpm than my old T4 Spec & certainly my GT35 Spec would have biffed up the road while my old T4 was still wiping its arse.
One day Mike you will have to have a ride in a truely fast Cossie me thinks you would be shocked.
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Rod,
I'll take that offer up . Obviously when you go to a bored and stoked engine, it makes a BIG difference in spool up (hence why mine is as well) . It's one things the Yanks got right - there is no replacement for displacement .
If you're at Croft, I would like to reciprocate that offer on the basis of "Have a ride in a truely sorted Cossie - me thinks YOU would be shocked at the corner speed etc" .
I'll take that offer up . Obviously when you go to a bored and stoked engine, it makes a BIG difference in spool up (hence why mine is as well) . It's one things the Yanks got right - there is no replacement for displacement .
If you're at Croft, I would like to reciprocate that offer on the basis of "Have a ride in a truely sorted Cossie - me thinks YOU would be shocked at the corner speed etc" .