FAST FORD PERFORMANCE FORD ARE THEY THE BIBLE?
05-07-2007, 11:36 AM
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they not all the same because people will moan about it though.
they the same as people dont know any different.
the fact they whoop with excitment the moment someone actually fits some wheels that dont sit 3feet into the arches shows that.
but still nobody else bothers doing it.
scared to fuck it up.
its a very very "safe" scene.
they the same as people dont know any different.
the fact they whoop with excitment the moment someone actually fits some wheels that dont sit 3feet into the arches shows that.
but still nobody else bothers doing it.
scared to fuck it up.
its a very very "safe" scene.
05-07-2007, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by chadyfunster
maybe cos like i said people wont build anything different or voice a different opinion due to insults ie fuck off
people like you would just would piss on their party
people like you would just would piss on their party
I OWN A FUCKING FAST FORD COVER CAR THAT IS PAINTED IN MITSIBUSHI EVO YELLOW AND HAS THE WRONG LOGBOOK FOR THE PURISTS, ITS NOT CONFIRMING TO RULES ON TUNERS EITHER ITS MAPPED BY ME, ENGINE BUILT BY ME AND DOESNT CONFORM TO ANYTHING YOU KEEP SAYING IM SLAGGING PEOPLE OFF IF THEY DONT CONFORM TO
Do you not understand that basic concept?
For fucks sake my other car is a bastard nova with an engine in the boot, to say im telling people to fuck off for wanting to be different is a total nonsense.
Im not telling you to fuck off for saying the mags should try and feature cars that are different, im telling you to fuck off BECAUSE THEY ALREADY DO! that is what is pissing people off you are demanding they change to doing something that is what they are already doing anyway!
05-07-2007, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chadyfunster
im not talkin bodykits and massive stereo im talking of something that a lot of thought has gone into other engines and brakes to make a car unique
If its from the dub scene please don't let it be slammed to the floor, running hydraulics, gullwing doors, or feature frenched number plates as this has been done so many times before that it possibly could not be defined as unique
05-07-2007, 11:39 AM
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Gullwing doors on a Dub? Since when? 
If I had the money im confident I could easy build a very different and easily the best 3door/RS500 or whatever we have seen in the UK, its not hard as its all been so conservative so far.
But I cant, so fuck it.
If I had the money im confident I could easy build a very different and easily the best 3door/RS500 or whatever we have seen in the UK, its not hard as its all been so conservative so far.
But I cant, so fuck it.
05-07-2007, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Must admit though Chip, a respray in a different colour, escort cossie rims, and the usual T34 spec engine isnt what id go "ooooh, groundbreaking" about
Your still right tho
Your still right tho
Even the "usual T34" spec isnt actually that usual in the world of cossies when its done entirely by the owner
But I agree, I wasnt claiming to be ground breaking, I was just saying that im hardly a good example of someone who is part of this "conformist consipiracy" that he believes exists when it clearly doesnt at Fast Ford!
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Re: FAST FORD PERFORMANCE FORD ARE THEY THE BIBLE?
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by chadyfunster
i've seen many amazing modified cars in the ford scene that never seem to get the respect they deserve or the featurs to show others there is more to modifiing than mangement and stickers
If they are good or interesting and unsual cars that have been modified to a good standard then they WILL get featured. Its that simple.
If you have a larger brain than me
, then you could at least make some up and at least lie....
05-07-2007, 11:42 AM
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There is normally a pretty good reason for doing things the way they are done...
Why fuck about with a cossies ( of any sort) looks? 99.9% of the time you can only make it look worse IMHO, subtle toutchs like lights, a nice set of wheels, de-locking etc is all that is needed as they look so good out of the factory.. I'm sorry and call me what you like, but B19 KOS looks like a fucking dogs dinner
- Why ruin a nice spec car with chavvy spoliers and front bumpers?? The stripes would look good in an 80's way on a std car...
Engines- WHY fuck around trying to build a better engine from a Zetec etc, when the YB is without doubt one of THE best engines ever made ( cue the ford haters piping up here ) , has unlimited tuning options for any budget, and is tough as old boots if built correctly.
Again, I will probably get slated for this, but I really can't see the point in Dans project 3 door
- If you wanted a turbo RWD 3 door, buy a cossie ....better spec out of the factory and no hassle... but thats just me prob work out cheaper as well
Conversions like the Mk1 RWD fiesta cosworth, and Fiescos Dan's Mk3 4x4 cossie are what a project is about, somthing different and worthwhile
, that you can't just buy off the shelf.
And why do you always get people with an XR3i / Xr2i / 1.1 bonus asking if they can turbo it?? just buy the car that is already mad eby the factory, save loads of time and end up with a better car again....
All IMHO of course. And VW's are more boring than anything else I can think of, all euro styled and boooooooooooooring and those poxy vr6 engines
Why fuck about with a cossies ( of any sort) looks? 99.9% of the time you can only make it look worse IMHO, subtle toutchs like lights, a nice set of wheels, de-locking etc is all that is needed as they look so good out of the factory.. I'm sorry and call me what you like, but B19 KOS looks like a fucking dogs dinner
- Why ruin a nice spec car with chavvy spoliers and front bumpers?? The stripes would look good in an 80's way on a std car...Engines- WHY fuck around trying to build a better engine from a Zetec etc, when the YB is without doubt one of THE best engines ever made ( cue the ford haters piping up here
) , has unlimited tuning options for any budget, and is tough as old boots if built correctly.Again, I will probably get slated for this, but I really can't see the point in Dans project 3 door
- If you wanted a turbo RWD 3 door, buy a cossie ....better spec out of the factory and no hassle... but thats just me prob work out cheaper as well Conversions like the Mk1 RWD fiesta cosworth, and Fiescos Dan's Mk3 4x4 cossie are what a project is about, somthing different and worthwhile
, that you can't just buy off the shelf.And why do you always get people with an XR3i / Xr2i / 1.1 bonus asking if they can turbo it?? just buy the car that is already mad eby the factory, save loads of time and end up with a better car again....
All IMHO of course. And VW's are more boring than anything else I can think of, all euro styled and boooooooooooooring
and those poxy vr6 engines
05-07-2007, 11:47 AM
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i dont know if anyone has mentioned it in the posts above... i didnt see it if they did... but wouldnt the names indicate something??
i.e. FAST ford and PREFORMANCE ford... if you want styling then read max power...
its all down to the individual taste and the scene at the time...
the way i see it is that there are those that have the time and money like Martin Rainbird, to spend on developing ideas into useable ideas, while us mere mortals that have 9-5 jobs mix and match to suit our own needs... imo alot of DUB scene golfs look very similar, there are just variations on wheels and the ammount of smoothing that goes on the car...
mk1's and mk2's were used heavily in motorsport, as were cosworths, hence why there is alot of parts available for performance! and thats why you see them about...
as for the clickyness of the magazines, my mate recently sent in his photo's of his mk1 fezza and he got put into the projects section of (was either) performance or classic ford, with a note saying once he gets it finished to let them know and a full feature would be on his way... he knows nobody, barely knows about this forum, and has done all the work himself! so i doubt if they are that closed...
i.e. FAST ford and PREFORMANCE ford... if you want styling then read max power...
its all down to the individual taste and the scene at the time...
the way i see it is that there are those that have the time and money like Martin Rainbird, to spend on developing ideas into useable ideas, while us mere mortals that have 9-5 jobs mix and match to suit our own needs... imo alot of DUB scene golfs look very similar, there are just variations on wheels and the ammount of smoothing that goes on the car...
mk1's and mk2's were used heavily in motorsport, as were cosworths, hence why there is alot of parts available for performance! and thats why you see them about...
as for the clickyness of the magazines, my mate recently sent in his photo's of his mk1 fezza and he got put into the projects section of (was either) performance or classic ford, with a note saying once he gets it finished to let them know and a full feature would be on his way... he knows nobody, barely knows about this forum, and has done all the work himself! so i doubt if they are that closed...
05-07-2007, 11:49 AM
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Also, cars like steve scotts RWD focus cossie, 4x4 fiesta Mk6 fiesta cossie etc, both different and far better than anything ford have produced, Ian Howells WRC Escort cosworth is an awsome car with pukka carbon/kevlar kit, and actually finished to a very high spec, so it dosn't look cobbled together
Fords are about clean std looks with minor details, or full on competition cars like WRC reps and thundersaloon kits- and awsome driving machines. VW's are slow and boring, hence have to do shit like fill swage lines, gullwing thier doors, chrome thier fuel tank brackets etc to attract any sort of attention
Fords are about clean std looks with minor details, or full on competition cars like WRC reps and thundersaloon kits- and awsome driving machines. VW's are slow and boring, hence have to do shit like fill swage lines, gullwing thier doors, chrome thier fuel tank brackets etc to attract any sort of attention
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porkie you make me smile i've no need to list them youve seen them too
chip door 3 door its the quick draw off to shoot insults which holds back those that want to be a little different
i know your not directly insulting me
stavros you've got my point and i thank you
im not demanding change im asking for it
would a mag feature a red 200 bhp s2 that doesnt have a manegment system but looks really sweet (remember this is just an example)
chip door 3 door its the quick draw off to shoot insults which holds back those that want to be a little different
i know your not directly insulting me
stavros you've got my point and i thank you
im not demanding change im asking for it
would a mag feature a red 200 bhp s2 that doesnt have a manegment system but looks really sweet (remember this is just an example)
05-07-2007, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
VW's are slow and boring, hence have to do shit like fill swage lines, gullwing thier doors, chrome thier fuel tank brackets etc to attract any sort of attention
Dont think ive seen funny doors on a VW in years, thats chav spec shit, but more importantly, most of em are fast as fuck...
2 recent VW magazine feature cars I recall are a full interior nice and posh 10sec quarter 4wd Corrado, and a FWD Mk2 Golf that runs mid 10s. Not to mention all the 400bhp+ 1.8Ts
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Originally Posted by chadyfunster
porkie you make me smile i've no need to list them youve seen them too
chip door 3 door its the quick draw off to shoot insults which holds back those that want to be a little different
i know your not directly insulting me
stavros you've got my point and i thank you
im not demanding change im asking for it
would a mag feature a red 200 bhp s2 that doesnt have a manegment system but looks really sweet (remember this is just an example)
chip door 3 door its the quick draw off to shoot insults which holds back those that want to be a little different
i know your not directly insulting me
stavros you've got my point and i thank you
im not demanding change im asking for it
would a mag feature a red 200 bhp s2 that doesnt have a manegment system but looks really sweet (remember this is just an example)
Thing is, when you say it looks really sweet, is it a nice clean stdish car, or has it got some silly body kit on it?
... It is VERY hard to improve the looks of a decent RS IMHO.. post some pics up
05-07-2007, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Simon@FastFord
Originally Posted by Markb_s1
if you look at the older Fords you've got everything from mk1 escorts on 7x13s with stretched rubber bands and crossflows, to Al's castrol mk1, mk2s with standard arches, my gp2 arched zetec powered one, to dingy's car, to dave White's twin turbo V6 XXXX pack car... and that's just the escorts.. didnt' even mention the cortinas/anglias etc... 
Simon
more people are becoming interested in the older stuff and things are being done differently... mine's 6 linked but you couldn't describe any of the parts of that 6 link as group 4 other than the link bars...
you've got the one being built at Jtech (i think!) which has been fully spaceframed and was originally being prepped for a TVR engine. (althogh i think that's going cossie now too), neil at NTS with his twin turbo v8 mk2... i could go on...
I realise it's always gonna be a variation on a theme to a certain extent, but if you compare it to cossies which, very generally speaking are an exercise in massive power hikes and then nothing really different in the handling or styling department, (obviously ther will always be exceptions to this rule such as Martin Hadland's or Brom's cars, for example) then i still feel there are more people doing different things to their cars. this may well be a result of them pretty much all having crap engines and running gear to start off with, so you don't really have a lot of choice other than to change it all out, but that's a result as far as I'm concerned.
05-07-2007, 11:56 AM
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s2 escort spec 300 bhp standard interior 7 spokes
mk2 golf 300 engine swap custom interior porsche wheels and while the engine was out the engie bay was totally smoothed and cleaned
this was what was pointed out to me which made me take a hard look
mk2 golf 300 engine swap custom interior porsche wheels and while the engine was out the engie bay was totally smoothed and cleaned
this was what was pointed out to me which made me take a hard look
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Originally Posted by chadyfunster
porkie you make me smile i've no need to list them youve seen them too
chip door 3 door its the quick draw off to shoot insults which holds back those that want to be a little different
i know your not directly insulting me
stavros you've got my point and i thank you
im not demanding change im asking for it
would a mag feature a red 200 bhp s2 that doesnt have a manegment system but looks really sweet (remember this is just an example)
chip door 3 door its the quick draw off to shoot insults which holds back those that want to be a little different
i know your not directly insulting me
stavros you've got my point and i thank you
im not demanding change im asking for it
would a mag feature a red 200 bhp s2 that doesnt have a manegment system but looks really sweet (remember this is just an example)
I'd feature a 160bhp RST if it was worth it.
I personally look for cars that stand out one way or another.
If some plum had stuck a gay aftermarket kit on with some tacky extras, NO. But if there was a good story - eg. Built it himself and fused some great ideas from other scenes then yeah. Simple.
Take each car as it comes...just cause a Cossie has 450bhp with some nice tuning parts, it doesnt mean to say it will get in.
But if the Cossie was an all-out track car or had some sort of angle then yes again.
Cars dont just end up in mags because they have a Blue Oval on the front
05-07-2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chadyfunster
porkie you make me smile i've no need to list them youve seen them too
Personally i do what i want to my car because i like it, and at the end of the day it doesn't matter what people think because it's not their problem.
05-07-2007, 12:01 PM
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i dont have pics for the example just a thought and hopefully an insight to what i was thinking a little more effort makes for better cars all round and a more diverse scene
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the problem is that each scene has its own followings... as you and stavros have pointed out!
the way i see it
ford = motorsport orientated (i.e. performance & Handeling)
Dub = Styling & Performance
French = bit of everything...
American = all out straight line power
Jap = Drifting
they are very generalised so dont slate me, but i think you get the idea...
ford has its own following, as does the DUB scene... all mix over occasionally where they can... and all the scenes have a similar goal, but to some, different goals are more important... hence why every body likes different scenes... but can appreciate different scenes...
the way i see it
ford = motorsport orientated (i.e. performance & Handeling)
Dub = Styling & Performance
French = bit of everything...
American = all out straight line power
Jap = Drifting
they are very generalised so dont slate me, but i think you get the idea...
ford has its own following, as does the DUB scene... all mix over occasionally where they can... and all the scenes have a similar goal, but to some, different goals are more important... hence why every body likes different scenes... but can appreciate different scenes...
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but what is the point in being different just to be different? It's like ignoring brakes like APs'/ brembo's, and going for an Inferior make "cos everyone has AP's innit!"
The things that work well tend to sell best and get used by most people, because they are good!!
It's like ignoring brakes like APs'/ brembo's, and going for an Inferior make "cos everyone has AP's innit!" The things that work well tend to sell best and get used by most people, because they are good!!
05-07-2007, 12:05 PM
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i dont have pics for the example just a thought and hopefully an insight to what i was thinking a little more effort makes for better cars all round and a more diverse scene
Yeah, damn you to hell porkie with your lack of effort and totally conventional ford that is exactly the same as all the other multicoloured caged up 4wd 600bhp 3 doors out there, I get bored of seeing them all
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by chadyfunster
i dont have pics for the example just a thought and hopefully an insight to what i was thinking a little more effort makes for better cars all round and a more diverse scene
Yeah, damn you to hell porkie with your lack of effort and totally conventional ford that is exactly the same as all the other multicoloured caged up 4wd 600bhp 3 doors out there, I get bored of seeing them all
05-07-2007, 12:12 PM
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im just poining out what was said to me
why not when doing all that work hide a wiring loom and fit a nice subtle custom re-trim to contrast the paint scheme
why not when doing all that work hide a wiring loom and fit a nice subtle custom re-trim to contrast the paint scheme
IF you look in fast ford, you will see many examples
With regards to hiding wiring looms though, its alright for some chavvy showcar but tends to make fault finding a nightmare on a performance car IMHO!
05-07-2007, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chadyfunster
im just poining out what was said to me
why not when doing all that work hide a wiring loom and fit a nice subtle custom re-trim to contrast the paint scheme
why not when doing all that work hide a wiring loom and fit a nice subtle custom re-trim to contrast the paint scheme
05-07-2007, 12:19 PM
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i can agree with that but on the flip side a totally chromed engine bay as de cluttered as poss can only make it even better
as for fault finding well and repairs to mods like it would a nightmare but surely worth it in the end?
as for fault finding well and repairs to mods like it would a nightmare but surely worth it in the end?
05-07-2007, 12:19 PM
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ford = motorsport orientated (i.e. performance & Handeling)
Soz, cheap shot at fords
05-07-2007, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chadyfunster
porkie you make me smile i've no need to list them youve seen them too
come on!!! give me or make up 2 at least!!!!
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its all down to opinion and what you want to get out of the car... i would think that a tidy bay is good, not chromed, but a clean one is better... good accesibility, and useability...
if you want to build a show car that has a chrome bay, and get satisfaction from showing it and winning awards then thats great! but imo a car is there to be driven, and an engine bay like that would be both impracticle and hard to work on when things go wrong... hence why i dont think they are good...
i can see your point, but its about form against function...
if you want to build a show car that has a chrome bay, and get satisfaction from showing it and winning awards then thats great! but imo a car is there to be driven, and an engine bay like that would be both impracticle and hard to work on when things go wrong... hence why i dont think they are good...
i can see your point, but its about form against function...
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Originally Posted by nilrem
ford = motorsport orientated (i.e. performance & Handeling)
Soz, cheap shot at fords
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red s2 smooth engine bay vw wipers the list goes on
blue escort in pictures porsche wheels de locked hi spec brakes rear disc conversion turbo
white fiesta lowered smooted in places bbs wheels all very nice cars that have stood out for me
blue escort in pictures porsche wheels de locked hi spec brakes rear disc conversion turbo
white fiesta lowered smooted in places bbs wheels all very nice cars that have stood out for me
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the cabriolet that funster is talking about is mine and i agree fast ford pictured 1 wheel from fitp and performance ford just waffled about send some pics in because they didnt want to walk out in the rain im sure if i had a rally look they would have run over lmao and before anyone complains about my puntuation im on a mobile lmao
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Originally Posted by chadyfunster
im just poining out what was said to me
why not when doing all that work hide a wiring loom and fit a nice subtle custom re-trim to contrast the paint scheme
why not when doing all that work hide a wiring loom and fit a nice subtle custom re-trim to contrast the paint scheme
Its CLEAR you just don't the mags you are gobbing off about.... Chavyfuckster follow this simple guide
Step 1. Shut the fuck up
Step 2. Buy a copy of Fast Ford
Step 3. Buy a copy of Performance Ford
Step 4. Open eyes and look at features
Step 5. Read (if you can) afforementioned features
Step 6. Come back and discuss sensibly
There has been some mad cars built in the past. Stuff that most people won't like. They ALL get featured if they are good enough. Stuff like MJS nasty green TWIN Engined Escort PICK UP!!!! not my thing but mad...
What about DJ's Cossie engined KA's.... TRANVERSE mounted engines with Mitubishi EVO gearboxes!!!
Cossie powered 4x4 leathered up P100's, Skyline Gearboxed Cossies... there are lots of mad stuff featured... you just have to READ the mags
05-07-2007, 12:53 PM
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They keep turning down my mk1 mondeo converted to a waterski with suicide doors and a TV instead of a windscreen.
I want cover but they dont even reply sometimes.
Maybe I need to fit some Rondells and an alloy header tank.
I want cover but they dont even reply sometimes.
Maybe I need to fit some Rondells and an alloy header tank.
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Originally Posted by Stavros
They keep turning down my mk1 mondeo converted to a waterski with suicide doors and a TV instead of a windscreen.
I want cover but they dont even reply sometimes.
Maybe I need to fit some Rondells and an alloy header tank.
I want cover but they dont even reply sometimes.
Maybe I need to fit some Rondells and an alloy header tank.
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Originally Posted by rscabrio
the cabriolet that funster is talking about is mine and i agree fast ford pictured 1 wheel from fitp and performance ford just waffled about send some pics in because they didnt want to walk out in the rain im sure if i had a rally look they would have run over lmao and before anyone complains about my puntuation im on a mobile lmao
You want your car featured, FastFord were perhaps not keen enough on it to want to feature it.... and it was raining so the PF boys did not trot over BUT asked you for pics.
and so your friend Mr Funster has decided to start this thread as his pals car is getting ignored.
But rather than do the sensible thing and POST A FUCKING PICTURE OF THE CAR.... he has gone on bullshitting, ranting and slagging off the mags and the cars owners for being boring
Least we have got to the bottom of things now
P.S I would like to see car pics
05-07-2007, 01:03 PM
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its this car mate.
i know its only pics, but a Mk3 Escort Cabby on a set of skinny Teledials and a mild bit of smoothing and removing dont make a feature car, id hope its a lot better than it seems there if your gonna moan about them ignoring it.
i know its only pics, but a Mk3 Escort Cabby on a set of skinny Teledials and a mild bit of smoothing and removing dont make a feature car, id hope its a lot better than it seems there if your gonna moan about them ignoring it.