abdr500

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RWD_cossie_wil
i will second this 100%

Tarren

Interesting read this

mechanic28

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that is true but i well built 205 will cope

abdr500

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yes may be but why not use a block that is revised for it better strength do it once the rs 500 block were a revision from the 205 normal block they can be identified with small core plugs compared to the normal one this would be the only 205 block that i would use other wise its 200 blocks
so you can use the 205 rs 500 block or the 200 block

mechanic28

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hold tight i am in enfield as well

abdr500

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mechanic28
i c i drive the imperial blue escort cosworth rwd what car do you drive whats your name


just noticed you drive the 340 bhp cossie what coulor is yours

mechanic28

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magenta red 2wd sapp was u there on thursday name is dougie

abdr500

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yes i came a littel late but yes i came and parked alone

mechanic28

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ok i did not take mine cossie pulled up in my cavalier was talkin to the bloke with the green xr2

my cossie

abdr500

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looks realy nice

mechanic28

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ta just had it lived map etc was lookin to part ex it for a 3 door or sell it if i found a top 3 door but no joy so thinkin of going up too light blues or greys now

c0ss1e9i6

14k worth of running gear and tyres + 2k worth of boxer shorts!!

Alps Pacino

I might consider long studding the block tbh but this whole thread is a massive contradiction, fuck me there is a 750bhp mk2 escort running stud and nut kit but mine will 100% crack at 500bhp?????????????

Its all a personal opinion norris will map on l6 but no one else will, 200 block is better to 1 man and 205 is better to the next man. End of the day you hear so many storys about so many different things its best to just go with what you think and get on with it and if it breaks it breaks tuff shit imo.

mechanic28

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ahmed bajoo live maps L6 he done mine!

c0ss1e9i6

You need a one on one with whoever is doing the work (if your not!)

If they are the right man for the job you'll know just by talking to them!

Then leave it up to them!!

Alps Pacino

Agreed but norris will say different to stu and he will say differnt to ava, all of which obviously know there stuff which brings me back to my point its all just hear say and contradicting views, nobody would get anything done if they listened to ALL the top tuners as they all contradict each other lol

dovboy

i killed 2 205 blocks and now run 200 ,one on bolt and one on waterway.

will let you know how the 200 goes

like euan says i think an overlooked part is live mapping!!in the usa on a subaru they took it to 550 bhp on standard internals,turbo,cooler and mapping,,no mean feat on those piles of shit

dovboy

205 BLOCK WILL NOT LAST!!

JonnyBravo

Firstly you cannot guarantee that the 750hp mk2 has conventional arp stud and nut, we also don't know for sure if the block has been altered in any other way at all, the same goes with anyone elses engines, what the owner tells you isn't always exactly how it is unless they built it from scratch themselves.

ARP Stud and Nuts are shit end of, no idea how the people that use them get away with it tbh, standard bolts are miles better, long studding is the correct way to being doing things IMO, you don't hear of many proper Mountune engines failing like people mention do you ?

I think half the problem is that as good as some tuners are I don't personally believe they or whoever they use for machining are doing the job correctly if we are seeing such bad failures.

I wouldn't mind having a word with anyone that worked for the Ford wrc team when they were running the Escort as I very much doubt many of those engines were busting 200 blocks that often

If i was building a 500hp engine I wouldn't be starting with a shonky old 205 block and some micky mouse headbolts, 500bhp is not cheap and cant be done cheaply either so be prepared to open your wallet.

Personally I would get on the phone to a few companies who can long stud blocks and listen to what they have to say about it and blocks failing rather than a bunch of guys off a forum who 50% of cant guarantee you anything.

Alps Pacino

dovboy

Well i'll find out i suppose lol

Like i said my rs500 didnt last with less power so even at 400bhp its a gamble on any block obviously

dovboy

200 long studded block all the way!

do it once,do it rite!!

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...arch&plindex=6

c0ss1e9i6

Fookin hell!

Now I'm getting worried LOL!

Fook this, I'm getting another Skyline!!

Alps Pacino

JonnyBravo

Fair do's

dovboy

400 aint 500

oh sorry,an rs500 block is a different story.

Alps Pacino

dovboy

Thats my whole point if a rs500 block cant take 400bhp barring in mind its supposed to be the strongest block how the fuck is a 200 block going to cope with 500bhp lol

dovboy

ah u beat me to it!!

take into account that the 205 block is the weakest!! end off.

mechanic28

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out of interest why do u want to go up to 500bhp 2wd?when in town where i suppose u will be driving it 80%of time u wont be able to shake off a well set up 2wd 350 bhp one?

c0ss1e9i6

Its a good point!

Ian M500COS

Of course, Ford developed the 200 block for no reason at all. And all of the GroupA and WRC Escorts ran 200 blocks just for amusement didn't they.

And Mountune knew absolutely nothing when they developed the long studding process in the works rally engines

Alps Pacino

mechanic28

I dont specifically want 500bhp as such, the engine spec was a decent spec but was on a t35 and made 423bhp so i thought whilst i'm rebuilding it i'd get a t4 and go for some more power, tbh i aint aiming for 500bhp or building an engine specifically for 500bhp it will proably be 450 470 ish i'm guessing with the spec

dovboy

WHAT??? dont be a poof and you will wipe the floor with a 350bhp cos,,i would be inclined to think that a guy who can afford a 500bhp cos will have his better set up than a "well set up 350bhp cos"

Alps Pacino

Ian M500COS

It was mentioned before on here from a very reputable tuner that all the extra strenght of the 200 block is around the side near the transfer box and there is no extra strenght to the head bolt areas. That makes sense to me. Plus why would montune develop the long studding if they weren't having problems with cracking the 200 blocks around the bolt holes

mechanic28

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its called traction a bet in town there wont be much in it

Alps Pacino

mechanic28

If your racing around town and in built up areas you shouldnt have the pleasure of a fucking driving license let alone a 500bhp rwd cossie

JonnyBravo

Did the BTCC RS500's have a problem with breaking the blocks ?

I can't be sure but I very much doubt it.

Just because 10 people off passionford have found cracks in their 200 blocks this year it doesn't mean they are shit, no one on here seemed to want to give me a straight answer to what caused my block to crack, must of been because the well known tuner is known to be great on here.

I don't like to knock tuners but some people on here throw endless amounts of money at them and expect they are getting a perfect job when in the real world I dont think think they honestly know what there doing.

mechanic28

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cool i always thought it was in the front of the block around the water pump area they were stronger!thats what i heard but that always confused me

Ian M500COS

If that's the case, why can't you long stud a 205 block?

mechanic28

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i dont i am just saying that t is where we rive cars 80% of the time and in that driving conditions i dont think there will be much in it

JonnyBravo

Someone who actually knows what he is talking about

Well said Ian, quite obvious what works best for the job, its just the muppets putting them together that starts all these discussions again and again

Shorty

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dingy I heard about what power yours made, fair play, that must be SCARY in a MK2!