For the conspiracy naysayers.
23-06-2007, 07:15 PM
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For the conspiracy naysayers.
Nothing to see here... move along... 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2109513,00.html
But this is my favourite bit......
Yeah, OK, we beleive you. When did the CIA suddenly become a bastion of morality? This is about stuff up to the 70's. So are we talking, 81? 87? 92? 99? Last Tuesday?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2109513,00.html
The CIA is to declassify secret records detailing operations including illegal domestic surveillance, assassination plots and kidnapping, undertaken from the 1950s to the early 1970s, at the height of the cold war and the Vietnam conflict.
The records were compiled in 1973 at the behest of the then CIA director, James Schlesinger, and collected in a 693-page dossier known as the "family jewels". Although some of its contents have been leaked, the CIA has refused until now to put the full dossier in the public domain.
The records were compiled in 1973 at the behest of the then CIA director, James Schlesinger, and collected in a 693-page dossier known as the "family jewels". Although some of its contents have been leaked, the CIA has refused until now to put the full dossier in the public domain.
Domestic operations include the illegal detention and interrogation of a Russian defector, the wiretapping of columnists Robert Allen and Paul Scott, and the surveillance of other journalists including the late Jack Anderson. Several illegal break-ins are also listed.
In the minutes, Colby says some US citizens had been subjected to "unwitting" CIA drug experiments to induce "behaviour modification". The CIA also illegally amassed 9,900 files on Americans involved in anti-war activities.
In the minutes, Colby says some US citizens had been subjected to "unwitting" CIA drug experiments to induce "behaviour modification". The CIA also illegally amassed 9,900 files on Americans involved in anti-war activities.
The minutes state that the CIA "plotted the assassination of some foreign leaders including [Fidel] Castro, [Patrice] Lumumba [Democratic Republic of Congo] and [Rafael] Trujillo [Dominican Republic]." They go on: "With respect to Trujillo's assassination on May 30 1961, the CIA had 'no active part' but had a 'faint connection' with the groups that in fact did it."
General Michael Hayden, the CIA director, said they offered a "glimpse of a very different time and a very different agency".
23-06-2007, 07:21 PM
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OT a bit, but would you like to be an American Graham? Just asking case you like a lot of their internal affairs etc? When im sure there is a lot of stuff closer to home. Maybe because the "information" is not so easily acceseble?
23-06-2007, 08:08 PM
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OT a bit, but would you like to be an American Graham? Just asking case you like a lot of their internal affairs etc?
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When im sure there is a lot of stuff closer to home. Maybe because the "information" is not so easily acceseble?
What record am I playing here Rab?
25-06-2007, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rab
Is this record STILL playing?
Still playing for the thousands of First Responders who are now sick and dieing due to being told the air at Ground Zero was safe to breath.
Still playing for the thousands of troops dead because of an illegal war.
Still playing for the tens of thousands of injured and maimed soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan
Still playing for all the babies born with birth defects, because of our use of Depleted Uranium in our weaponry.
Still playing for the families of 9/11 and other False Flag operations victims around the world.
Happy with injustice Rab? Oh yeah, as long as it doesn't affect you.
25-06-2007, 03:16 PM
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just for you graham 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL9FIfSxBCk
pmsl at this reply
OIL is the blood of satan, stop worshipping it. OIL powers all the tanks and jets and cars and trucks etc that have killed 200 million+ in accidents and war. 20mph electric golf cart is the way of the lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL9FIfSxBCk
pmsl at this reply
OIL is the blood of satan, stop worshipping it. OIL powers all the tanks and jets and cars and trucks etc that have killed 200 million+ in accidents and war. 20mph electric golf cart is the way of the lord
25-06-2007, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Usual Suspect
seen that several times now. it works on several notes, with different results.any idea what the microscopic owl in the top right of a dollar bill is for?
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25-06-2007, 11:01 PM
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is all this conspiracy stuff gonna get you anywhere?
NO
do you do it so that you can be the biggest boring cock at the pub?
More than likely.
Do any of us actually care?
NO
NO
do you do it so that you can be the biggest boring cock at the pub?
More than likely.
Do any of us actually care?
NO
25-06-2007, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Usual Suspect
ive seen the tv Documentary program about it some strange shit going on there
26-06-2007, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SapphyMike
is all this conspiracy stuff gonna get you anywhere?
NO
do you do it so that you can be the biggest boring cock at the pub?
More than likely.
Do any of us actually care?
NO
NO
do you do it so that you can be the biggest boring cock at the pub?
More than likely.
Do any of us actually care?
NO
26-06-2007, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SapphyMike
is all this conspiracy stuff gonna get you anywhere?
NO
NO
It's one of many "hobbies" of mine.
Originally Posted by SapphyMike
do you do it so that you can be the biggest boring cock at the pub?
More than likely.
More than likely.
Originally Posted by SapphyMike
Do any of us actually care?
NO
NO
26-06-2007, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
when you say first responders at groudn zero you mean 9/11?
No one's actually commented on the post topic yet I see.
26-06-2007, 01:11 PM
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I cant understand why people shoot Graham down in flames everytime he posts up some conspiracy theory thread.
If you dont want to read about it, dont click the thread!
Simple!
If you dont want to read about it, dont click the thread!
Simple!
26-06-2007, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
Happy with injustice Rab? Oh yeah, as long as it doesn't affect you.
Look you stupid little cunt. Fuck off. Take your stupid fucking conspiracy theory bullshit and fuck off. Go somewhere else and preach you cunt. What the fuck would you know about how it affects me? Absolutley fuck all pal, thats fucking what. Maybe I'm one of the servicemen you're fucking harping on about. Now stop ramming this conspiracy bollocks down our fucking throats and get fucking lost...
26-06-2007, 07:35 PM
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See above 
Are you one of those servicemen? If so why don't YOU do something about it. If you are a serviceman, would you be happy being sent to war, because the CIA topped some dictator, and blamed it on someone else?
Do you accept the original post in this thread or deny it?
Are you one of those servicemen? If so why don't YOU do something about it. If you are a serviceman, would you be happy being sent to war, because the CIA topped some dictator, and blamed it on someone else?
Do you accept the original post in this thread or deny it?
27-06-2007, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
See above
Are you one of those servicemen? If so why don't YOU do something about it. If you are a serviceman, would you be happy being sent to war, because the CIA topped some dictator, and blamed it on someone else?
Do you accept the original post in this thread or deny it?
Are you one of those servicemen? If so why don't YOU do something about it. If you are a serviceman, would you be happy being sent to war, because the CIA topped some dictator, and blamed it on someone else?
Do you accept the original post in this thread or deny it?
It really fucks me off when parents bleat to the papers about fronting Blair, and asking why there son has died. What about all the soldiers killed in northern island? When they were getting shot or blown up every day no one gave a fuck.
I was a service man for 13 years, saw action in the first gulf war, ni, bosnia. Lost mates along the way.
No war is good. End of.
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27-06-2007, 09:31 AM
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i drive a Mondeo Diesel estate for work purposes, so your point being?
This is a fucking car forum, not conspiracy weekly..
and frankly, so what if x is fucking guilty of y. its not like anyone is going to do anything about it.
there aint no fucking magic wand to bring back the thousands of people who died is there!
so, I ask again, what good is going to come of it?
This is a fucking car forum, not conspiracy weekly..
and frankly, so what if x is fucking guilty of y. its not like anyone is going to do anything about it.
there aint no fucking magic wand to bring back the thousands of people who died is there!
so, I ask again, what good is going to come of it?
27-06-2007, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by arkley
Maybe none but it's better than some of the shite that gets posted on here, why do you care so much all you have to do is NOT read it?
besides, this is general discussion - therefore its in the public domain.
you dont have to read my replies.
27-06-2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by arkley
Exactly that's what I'm getting at you're bitching about it when all you have to do is the same!
besides, your replying is like a moth round a flame to me
27-06-2007, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
Originally Posted by The Usual Suspect
seen that several times now. it works on several notes, with different results.any idea what the microscopic owl in the top right of a dollar bill is for?
aye you carry on mate its good for the mind to think outside of the box we only know what we learn
ignorance is bliss so be in bliss bitches and fuck off grahams threads moanin bunch of cunts either that or post something as interesting like a flock of fuckin sheep baaahaaa baaahaaa weeeee eee dont liiiiiiiiike it so its not allowed
27-06-2007, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by The Usual Suspect
Originally Posted by Graham S1
Originally Posted by The Usual Suspect
seen that several times now. it works on several notes, with different results.any idea what the microscopic owl in the top right of a dollar bill is for?
27-06-2007, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
Still playing for the thousands of troops dead because of an illegal war.
Happy with injustice Rab? Oh yeah, as long as it doesn't affect you.
Happy with injustice Rab? Oh yeah, as long as it doesn't affect you.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Join the Army, see the world, meet interesting people - and kill them.
Fighting for peace though is like screwing for virginity.
27-06-2007, 06:11 PM
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Michael Moore touches on this issue in his new film 'Sicko'.
No one's actually commented on the post topic yet I see.
No one's actually commented on the post topic yet I see.
http://www.moorewatch.com/index.php/category/Sicko/
http://www.slate.com/id/2102723/
http://www.mooreexposed.com/
27-06-2007, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The Usual Suspect
who cares you do dont ya mate i bet your thier at your pc hitting the refresh button you mutton
have better things to do with my time..
27-06-2007, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rab
Is this record STILL playing?
Still playing for the thousands of First Responders who are now sick and dieing due to being told the air at Ground Zero was safe to breath.
Still playing for the thousands of troops dead because of an illegal war.
Still playing for the tens of thousands of injured and maimed soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan
Still playing for all the babies born with birth defects, because of our use of Depleted Uranium in our weaponry.
Still playing for the families of 9/11 and other False Flag operations victims around the world.
Happy with injustice Rab? Oh yeah, as long as it doesn't affect you.
27-06-2007, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
Still playing for the thousands of First Responders who are now sick and dieing due to being told the air at Ground Zero was safe to breath.
Still playing for the thousands of troops dead because of an illegal war.
Still playing for the tens of thousands of injured and maimed soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan
Still playing for all the babies born with birth defects, because of our use of Depleted Uranium in our weaponry.
Still playing for the families of 9/11 and other False Flag operations victims around the world.
2. dead troops...sadly its a risk of joining up to the services its not all paintball in the mountains. illegal war? what war is a correct war. sadly war is a shit thing but it happens. again you sign up to services you expect to go into a battle at some point. chance of death of course unless your blinkered.
3. again that's war/conflict for you you expect casualties..if you don't expect to hurt/die then your very very stupid. like i say there not firing paint balls at you.
4. I'm not 100% on this so i wont comment on it and bullshit thing. But i will say I'm sure Saddam used worse/just as bad things against the Kurds
5. Not everything is a false flag/conspiracy. a lot of people find something as harsh and spectacular as 9/11 wasn't a simple plane crashes and sadly the buildings fell which wasn't expected...but they did. so people think that its got to be something else that caused it and not the simplest answer that some sickos hijacked and crashed some planes with an ending that went better than I'm sure was planned.
i do feel really sorry for the dead and families but shit happens and its not always nice when it does. i just wished people would support their Leaders discision and the services that go out to these terrible places instead of constantly shitting on them. they are here to protect and fight for their country. Its not always a battle they agree with, but they signed up end of the day. there expected to do what there told. people who moan are as bad as them cunts that walk on there flag turn up to disrespect the dead at there funerals. in my eyes your as bad as the terrorist/extremist.
28-06-2007, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Diamonds
Originally Posted by Graham S1
Still playing for the thousands of First Responders who are now sick and dieing due to being told the air at Ground Zero was safe to breath.
Still playing for the thousands of troops dead because of an illegal war.
Still playing for the tens of thousands of injured and maimed soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan
Still playing for all the babies born with birth defects, because of our use of Depleted Uranium in our weaponry.
Still playing for the families of 9/11 and other False Flag operations victims around the world.
2. dead troops...sadly its a risk of joining up to the services its not all paintball in the mountains. illegal war? what war is a correct war. sadly war is a shit thing but it happens. again you sign up to services you expect to go into a battle at some point. chance of death of course unless your blinkered.
3. again that's war/conflict for you you expect casualties..if you don't expect to hurt/die then your very very stupid. like i say there not firing paint balls at you.
4. I'm not 100% on this so i wont comment on it and bullshit thing. But i will say I'm sure Saddam used worse/just as bad things against the Kurds
5. Not everything is a false flag/conspiracy. a lot of people find something as harsh and spectacular as 9/11 wasn't a simple plane crashes and sadly the buildings fell which wasn't expected...but they did. so people think that its got to be something else that caused it and not the simplest answer that some sickos hijacked and crashed some planes with an ending that went better than I'm sure was planned.
i do feel really sorry for the dead and families but shit happens and its not always nice when it does. i just wished people would support their Leaders discision and the services that go out to these terrible places instead of constantly shitting on them. they are here to protect and fight for their country. Its not always a battle they agree with, but they signed up end of the day. there expected to do what there told. people who moan are as bad as them cunts that walk on there flag turn up to disrespect the dead at there funerals. in my eyes your as bad as the terrorist/extremist.
Well said mate.
Smudge
28-06-2007, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
Happy with injustice Rab? Oh yeah, as long as it doesn't affect you.
Look you stupid little cunt. Fuck off. Take your stupid fucking conspiracy theory bullshit and fuck off. Go somewhere else and preach you cunt. What the fuck would you know about how it affects me? Absolutley fuck all pal, thats fucking what. Maybe I'm one of the servicemen you're fucking harping on about. Now stop ramming this conspiracy bollocks down our fucking throats and get fucking lost...
28-06-2007, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Diamonds
1. ok so then they should of stayed away from ground zero for 3/4days till the dust settled and increased the final death toll by leaving the injured to die. your an emergency service..you take risks
If I was emergency services, yes I would take a risk, but I would also expect to be mended if anything happened to me.
Point taken about "no legal" wars. If someone out and out invades another country, then fair enough... (without going into that any further
), but who was Saddam going to invade this time? The US or UK? You may "justify" it by his treatment of the Iraqi people, but as has been said before, why don't we bomb the fuck outta Zimbabwe or some of the other countries ruled by "oppressive dictators".