What so i take the £60 and 3 points? I dont think so!! At the end of the day, i wasnt on the phone they tried it on and were proved wrong! I cant imagine any court entertaining this as a case!! Im amazed they havent dropped it already!

 

All I am doing is giving you the real deal.

If it was me then fook me I would go to court.

Also this will be done is mags court. If you lose and want to appeal you have to take it to crown court and then starting paying proper cash to do it. Helps to be rich in these situations!LOL

 

The Pony Feeder

The problem you have is the copper will sit in oart and say he 100% without a shadow of a doubt seen you on the phone. How can you respond to that?????????? and if there was 2 of them that saw you your proper fucked. I would be going to coart personally but all your going to do is go to coart and and get found guilty cause of how nice and truthfull the police really are.

Metpol look at this thread and then defend the police not 1 person has a nice word to say about them, doesnt that tell you something?????????

 

Pony believe me it dont always go the Police way in court. Seriously mate if you didnt do it the run with it at court...dont be bent over and shafted. I wouldnt and still wouldnt.

The officers would have had to make notes on the events and I would love to hear what they have wrote.

I went to court when I was in the Police for Speeding and driving without due care and attention and I had two officers giving evidence against me. The Magistrate didnt know I was Police and I defended myself. I won the court case with no case to answer to. I didnt do what they said I was doing and wasnt going to sit there and take it up the chuff hole. Some times mate you might face overwhelming odds but fook it have some pride and stand up to things. If you lose you lose...ok its a shitter but at least I would b saying yeah but I gave it a run.

So did they give you a fixed penalty notice or something.

 

im not here to win hearts or minds Alps, at the end of the day im an individual in a uniform thats it.. I know who I work with and the girls and guys on my team are absolutely fantastic and I know they wouldnt stitch anyone up how some of you chaps have been apparently done.

Im not intending to make you all think all Police are honest / polite etc as we all know coppers get sacked for a variety of things such as corruption and misconduct stuff.

Just dont all be under the assumption that the law doesnt touch us because I for one will tell you that criminals have it bloody easy compared to Police officers getting dragged over the coals... I know this only too well!!

I would just not like to be branded a coont because of what I do..

 

Metpol

Your missing the point i dont htink you are a cunt personally cause your a police officer i jut think the force as a whole are a pack of twats. I know this includes you as your in the force but if you pulled me up and treated me the way you say you treat the public then i would have more respect for you as you proved yourself not a cunt. However EVERY police officer i have met is a jumped up prick who has an axe to grind and that includes me dad.

 

I agree with the above a good copper is one in a million most ive met are on a power trip and will lie there arsh off to get a result

 

Yes, £60 and 3 points!! I cant possibly accept this for something i havent done! Im only now into my second year of driving and this would ruin any chance i have of getting a nicer car!

 

ALPS

Blimey Alps what has your dad done to upset you?

I have no problem with people saying what they think, I just think its unfair to brandish every copper with the same tar brush. This thread has just shown what I said earlier about doing a thankless job...the Police only get remembered for the fook ups they make and never to good things....but I think thats life in general

I think its good to hear from both sides of fence because even now if I meet people they never really tell me how things are. On this thread 99% of you dont know me from Adam so you are free to express yourselves...it never really happens these days as people would rather stab you in the back.

Alps if you want to meet some good coppers come down to london and Ill introduce you to some... and a few hot lady ones too : )

Guys I have to go now as I actually have to go to work...need to get in early so I can make up some evidence against you all haha

 

Metpol

But if every experience you ever have with the police is a shit 1 with a knob of a copper what are you supposed to think. If you went on holiday to spain and EVERY spanish person was a complete cunt and treated you like shit you would think the spanish were queer cunts wouldnt you

 

Then I think its time do dig out the old suit matey and get yourself to the Mags court. You dont have anything to lose? if you accept it then your fooked for sure. If you give it a go at court then at least you have a 50/50 chance of coming out with your license and 100% coming out with your dignity.

Good luck with it, and seriously if you need any advice then give me a shout... to be honest though I think a copper is the last person you would want to speak to..but the offer is there.

Neil

 

Alps i do see where your coming from trust me..obviously I see it as unfair because im in that list of people. im not going to lose sleep over it as I know what I am.

I feel the same way about the French to be honest and the Welsh...haha

 

As someone has already said, does it not concern you as an officer that the WHOLE of this thread people are pissed off with the police??? Does it not ring alarm bells, and make Coppers think, hang on a min , perhaps we ARE doing things wrong?? -

I have had mixed experiance with police, I have been let off doing over 100MPH a number of times, but i don't give the coppers attitude, just speak politely to them and explain that if I am driving fast it is only because it is safe to do so etc, and so far it seems to have been ok, just come away with a severe bollocking - That makes you think ok, perhaps they had a point etc, not they are complete cunts....

The other side of the coin is when I caught FIVE car thieves, managed to chase them down and get the police to where they were fairy quickly, then the Sergeant copper dickhead came running up the road to give me a bollocking for swearing at one of them , leavng 2 officers with the 4 others who they hadn't been arsed to handcuff , who promptly did a runner- idiots, then had the cheek to blame ME for thier fuck up, saying that if I hadn't been shouting abuse at the one who I had caught trying to run away then they wouldn't have lost the other four ( the lad I wsa chasing had crashed into me on an island )....

They then had the cheek to drag me in for questioning and threatened to do me for dangerous driving as I had chased the stolen car ... I had to have a taped interview and luckily the CPS decided that it was not in the publics interest to continue with the case, but never got any thanks for catching 5 criminals

Also had coppers be totally unreasonable for other minor stuff, so it all depends on the copper you meet, but IMHO the problem is all the fucking idiot coppers get put on traffic or the beat, and have an axe to grind

 

metpol
roofers,plumers,mecanics are robing cowboys

phone ,double glazing and insurence sales men/women are arse holes

french and german women are hairy

every one gets it some how, its just that it seems that one off the only one that rlly pisses every one off and is just not liked is the POLICE

i dont wanna say your a twat, cos compaired to any officer that i have delt with you do seem the most reasonable
as many have said not a dig at u just the force as a hole.
out of interest why do you do in the police force ?????

 

Well either way im not going to lose my license, if the worst should happen and i get 3 points then they will be my only points!

Surely the justice system will see it as innocent until proven guilty?

 

M8,

Unless you got a written confirmation from the duty officer at the station you're fucked in court.

Also, how the fuck can the police prove you was handling your phone ?? Surely video evidance is needed ?? I simply try not to answer the phone with driving, and I would simply say to the police to arrest me before even trying to take my phone off me, and if the were persistant enough to want to take my phone there and then, out would come my Nokia N70 which has been disconnected

It hasn't made or received a call since December

I've not been tugged by the old bill for 5 years now

 

in the last three years i 've been pulled around 80 times ...... to be fair that includes 2 lots of no seatbelt and one of speeding (not me officer )most are in west berks but a few in derby and the rest in west london i drive a sierra estate modified a fair bit. i carry my docs and even laminated a a set of copies and handed them in to the nick....yet all i get is " theres ahole in your exhaust" or "your diff is near the floor" or my personal favourite, " your tyres look low" now and again the copper is polite enough to explain that it's just a routine check or just to enquire about the car , but every now and again i get some 20 yr old on a power trip with the "son" attitude that give the rest a bad name. my sect 59 was for being in a car park where others were misbehaving, given to me by a good impression of adolf on steroids...i'm no angel but even i don't deserve the personall attention that i get....

 

There is a chance you will get more than 3 points if you lose in court. Its like with speeding if you do not except the fix penalty notice and go to court and lose, the fuckers normally give you at least 4 and fine much larger that the what the fix penalty notice would have been.

 

Call me stupid but if you passed them at a junction and had your phone in your pocket how did they know you had a mobile phone on you at all?

 

MWF

My guess is that he was might have been itching his head and they thought he was on his phone

 

They were absolutely certain i was on the phone, when he asked where my phone was i told him it was in my pocket where it had been the whole time! At the end of the day, i thought that this would have highlighted there error and they would be on there way! But no, they continued to claim i was and then took my phone!

Just for the record, i didnt even have my hand near my head! My right hand (the one apparently holding the phone) was on the wheel!!

Ive been onto a solicitor today, who has told me that without evidence proving i was on the phone that they stand little or no chance of holding up in court!

Im in the process of writing a full list of events and quotes from the scene, also going to take pictures of the roads in question to show where the police were when i saw them and where i was once pulled!

Going up to the station tonight to do the producer, and to get written confirmation of the analysis!

 

I was just wondering because some people have mentioned targets and them lying. It just seems to me if you where going to pull random people and accuse them of people on the phone while driving you'd at least make sure they had a phone first or that could be a bit embarrassing.

Something I thought when I first read the original post was whether or not the police have any right to take your phone off you and use it. That sounds like a serious invasion of personal privacy to me and only justifiable with serious evidence.

 

Fair do's mate..but like I said I will stick up for the force in general obviously because I have a lot of good friends in it and I know that they wouldnt stitch anyone up.

I think you meant what I do in the job. Well I was a response team officer in East London dealing all the 999 calls in my little astra or van. I have been a sector officer dealing with community issues that require a slow time Police response. I am what they call cad trained and a controller which means I say which calls are dealt with and how quickly they are dealt with, I make sure that the officers deal with them correctly and that they have a satisfactory result on them. I am also a level 2 officer which is basically riot police (probably the best part of the job) and I deal mainly with public disorder events (riots although we are not allowed to call them that or the commisioner is held liable). As level 2 we will deal with violent persons. Which could be someone who is armed inside a premises and we have to go in with the shields and subdue them.

At the moment I part on the mets new command and control complex which is the restructing of how calls are dealt with. But like the old control room but I do more intelligence type stuff now. Personally I dont really do offices but I applying for So19 soon so need to use the Gym under the office to get a bit fitter. Thats basically me really.

 

I think this is becoming all the more apparent to the officers in question now! They were 100% certain that i was on the phone however the fact that they were travelling towards a junction, that i passed from left to right at about 30mph should have left some doubt in there minds! The initial analysis has proven that i wasnt on the phone, they are now clutching at straws to make me out to be on the phone! Comments such as "Well you could have deleted the call from the log prior to the offices approaching your car" and "You could have had the phone to your ear, without having actually pressed call" leave me with nothing but confidence!

I have contacted a solicitor today who fortunately enough specialises in such cases! What a fluke, considering i got the number from Yellow pages! He has asked me to do a few things then book a meeting with him to collate the evidence!

In my efforts to collect as much evidence as possible, i called the police to request written confirmation of the results of there analysis! There response was "Oh we cant provide that information". Im totally disappointed with the police as a result of this, im still shocked to be a part of it!

 

If they took your phone away, checked the records of your calls and then still gave you a fina and points then the officers in question need to be taken to court to explain how the fuck they came to the conclusion you were guilty of an offence even though they have evidence of your phone records showing full well your innocent :S

Get yourself to court mate, ask them to clarify the time you were pulled, and ask them to again clarify the call on your call log that you were meant to be in when you got pulled....if they cant do it then your innocent and should get the points taken off....

Stand up to the dodgy fuckers

Dan

 

Will do! I WONT be coming out of this with any points or paying any fine! Its ridiculous!

 

my experience with coppers, especially on the driving front, has been that they are cunts for no otehr reason thatn they can be

i've got no problems with the motorway lot who did me for no seatbelt, thats fine and they wern't sarky about it or nothing, i'd come out of the services and they followed me for a bit and pulled me over, hold my hands up

but a few years ago when i was told "if i see you again i'll nick you" all because my bonnet was a different colour to the car, that took the piss
what also tok the piss was that the same copper who came out to me at 3.30 in the moring when some armed robbers were trying to steal the 3 door and had been trying to steal it for 35 inutes and even went as far as to push it down the road 100 yards before giving up pulled me over the next morning and said "is this your car? you sure you haven't stolen it? here's a producer"
or the ones who followed me into my garden, parked up behind me, then said "no seatbelt, £30 fine" when i was OUTSIDE the car and then, the cheeky cunts, said "would you mind popping upstairs and getting your docs so we don't have to write you a producer"


i also got stopped 5 times in one night with 4 brethalisers and used to go to the police station with a fair old wad of prudeceres every week and then took 2 hours to get them written up
i had nothing better to do

 

This is also bollocks mate, if they intend to use the evidence in court against you, then they HAVE to provide you with a copy of whatever evidence they have against you so you can cross-examine it.

Well done for standing up to the cowards - obviously too scared to catch real criminals

 

RWD_cossie_wil - Its looking likely that the only evidence available is my phone bill showing outgoing calls only! O2 wont provide me with and data and neither will the police! Im not fussed about it at all now, everytime i speak to them they back track further and sound more and more unsure of the claim!

 

Disclosure will of course get you that info from the cunt police.

Also O2 will provide that information as I am sure they would rather do that then turn up at court as a witness.

Your solictor will sort all the cunts out but it will cost you - you lose you don't get it back....!

 

As said above, spoke to a solicitor today who i will be going to see next week! He is extremely confident and has offered me free advice, so shall see what happens there! Ive got a bill that states the last call, and witnesses to prove where i was at the time of the call!

 

I've read through the post and TBH its typical police behaviour they get it wrong and fuck you anyway- why don't the police listen to the public,

stop nicking drivers and start nicking thieves and responding to call outs

It would do wonders for public relations unless you have targets to meet

I've got a mate whos brother has just joined the force and his first 2 months he was told to go out and nick drivers to learn how to fill the paper work in wonder where they get the attitude from

 

now thats just fucking moronic, why the fuck do the filth love being public enemy.

they always pull me when i drive the family 7series and they seem to always take the piss out of it just gives me the impression that they're not too pleased that a 23yr old driving it.

 

next time you get pulled on the motorway, open the passengers window enough so they can hear you from outside, and tell them youre scared to get out of the car, my words would be: "speak to me through this gap or fuck off"

 

well to be honest the only experiance i've had with the police was a supposed "random check". when asked what i was doing up brecon, about 30 miles from home, they seemed determined to nick me for something. the idea that i went "for a drive" seemed to be lost on them. they ran an id check on my passenger, and checked my documents, which i fortunatly had on me. after they checked this gave the car a once over an asked to search the boot. when they were about to pull off they said that they thought me and my mate were too ashamed to say we were some sort of gay couple!?!? can't even go for a drive with a mate for the hell of it without being accussed of being gay, which, for the record, i'm not

last time i go anywhere near brecon is all i can say

hope you get this whole ridiculus buisiness sorted with good results

 

Might be worth getting a second opinion on this mate, for all you know the guy might claim to be a specialist in anything people call him up for. Maybe worth just sticking his name and details into Google or something - just to check.

 

I have to agree with Metpol, on quite a few paragraphs on this thread, and I have been stopped by the police a few times to have my car scrutinized. Imo the fault lies mostly with the government, they set unreasonable targets for police and the fastest easiest way to hit these targets is through motoring offences, "real crimes" take lengthy and involved investigation and lots of man hours which the police are not allowed to use because of said targets. I know there are a few bad ones out there but you can't tar them all with the same brush. Thats like saying all us bookies are robbing twats (oh wait, we are lol).
Debs

 

i once got 7 hort1's in 5 days, 1990... had them lined up on the headlining with drawing pins in the van... my boss could not beleive it. all from different parts of the country too

monday.... pulled in devon in a van and trailer twice on the same day.. wanted to look in the back

tuesday ...5:30 am just left the yard, accused of stealing the truck
pulled in devon as i had filled the truck up from a 200 ltr sealed can on the back, thought it was red got it cheaper from the local fuel depot than anywhere else

wednesday..... got accused of sitting in a traffic jam on the M25 and falsifying my tacho, even tho he pulled me 10 mins after my rest break.. i was in bermondsy/southwark area at the time and i said if you can manage to get from the dartford tunnel to here in a 7.5 tonner in under 10 mins at 1pm i would pay to see the privilge had all the past 2 weeks tacho's confiscated, then he told me to be on my way .. i asked him if he was familiar with the road traffic act as he had forgotten to do something quite serious and that was to sign the tacho to say he had removed it from the holder whilst i was still working he called someone else over who then said yeah he is right
got pulled in the holloway road same day as the truck looked overloaded.. it was totally empty

friday.. norfolk on my way back home M25 wanted to look at my tacho... then asked to see the rest of the week's showed him wednesday's he said sorry and gave me another

the desk jockey at the local plod station was totally shocked to see my nice little collection
never got another untill 2002 stopped at 5 AM leaving for national day in the escort

hope you get your issues sorted out tho mate

 

Recieved a summons in the post yesterday relating to this incident! Cant believe it, the police have had my fone for 24 hours to do "technical analysis", then delivered it back to me confirming that there was no evidence to say i was using the phone at the time! Booked in to see a solicitor tomorrow and then roll on the court date (28/08/07)!

Really can see me getting stitched up though.......

WANKERS!

 

If your phone wasnt used mate you have no concerns at all