surely if they have no evidence, then they cant prosecute you!

 

Thats what im thinking, but as said there were 2 coppers and only 1 of me! I have a bad feeling about it but im not going to lay down and let them win!

 

Thats what i thought but it seems like thats not the case!

 

did they send your mobile back with a letter? signed? stamped? could be good evidence on your part!

 

I think if I remember someone on the thread stated it was holding the phone and not making a call which was the offence

Also not much time to the court date is it

Maybe dont want you to have time to organise any defence

Thats LESS than two weeks surely they have to give you more time than that, I mean how long ago was the alleged offence and then all of a sudden its right get him in court


Steve

 

No, they told me there was no certification from the analysis! I had made a complaint to the local station, and it was the same guy who took my complaint who dropped off my phone! Just told me that they had found no evidence to state i was on the phone!

 

Date of offence was 15/05/07!! Thankfully ive got an appointment with a solicitor tomorrow at 11:30am to sort it out! Hes 100% that it will get thrown out!

 

First hearing will just be to plead guilty or not, then it will get adjourned and he will get some time to mount a defence, although saying "no I fuckign wasnt and you cant probe otherwise you cunts" is about the only defence he can give anyway TBH

 

lets hope your solicitor is a good one at predicting outcomes

on a serious note though, good luck... might be worth saying that there was no certification and its suddenly your word against theres then, then ask it its still the case that you are innocent until proven guilty, if it is still the case, then say that currently its tit - for - tat between you and the officers... there is nothing soild... obviously im not a legal expert, but i could possibly suggest it to my solicitor to see what they say...

 

Thats just it, theres not a great deal i can do! I can provide outgoing call data (itemised bill), however O2 still insist they cant provide ME with anymore data, they only provide this to the police!

 

useless cunts the lot of them as far as im concerned
never had any respect for them and never will have
they dont want to go after real criminals thats too much like hard work and too dangerous and theres not as much money in it for the government as there is in screwing your average person

 

I dont normally post on threads like this but here we go...

I was engaged to a wpc a couple of years ago so fully understand just how hard the job can be and have alot of respect for long serving officers. It can be one of the toughest jobs out there, i would not even think about doing it...

However, i have lived in Essex all my life and driving Cosworths for the last 10 years on and off and unfortunately have had alot more negative encounters than positive ones. ( on some occasions i thoroughly deserved it!!)

My main point is that that officers like these in question only do one thing and that is alienate people against the police which is no good for anyone. This country is in enough of a mess with other issues without virtually everyone i know having the opinion that they would rather stay quiet and not get involved than help the Police in future situations because of how they have been treated in the past.

Unfortunately because of a couple of negative situations with officers in the past that i didnt deserve to be in i for one wouldnt trust ANY police officer (unless i knew them personally) with anything.

A real shame...

 

innocent until PROOVEN guilty.....

 

2 coppers stating in court you did something IS proof to half the stupid twat magistrates out there!

 

I can make it very clear that they were mistaken, if it is taken into account where i was in relation to where they were at the time they claimed this occured! Ive also got pictures of the scene and where i saw them approaching a T junction, which would have meant they could have only seen me for a maximum of a few seconds! Will post the pics up tonight for all to see, i think it makes it all the more obvious that they are mistaken!

 

write to your MP
then write to somewhere like the sun paper
then write to O2, telling them that you are going to stop using them and tell everyone you know to not use them because of their disgracefull treatment of a long term customer (you've got to have been a long term customer for this to work)
and send the same letter to everyone you can think of who works in any sort of high up place in O2
somewhere along the line you will get a break bceause when you go to court and say "well, O2 have not sent me anything stating i was on the phone so if the police have somehtng stating i WAS on the then thats evidence they should have disclosed it to your side and then the judge will say "you bunch of cunts, case dismissed"

 

you seem to have kept making a typo there mate!

Its spelt "DISHONEST FUCKING CUNTS" not "mistaken"

 

this is un-fucking belivable mate, personally I would give the Sun a ring and tell them all about it, they will have a field day plastering useless coppers all over thier paper

All I can say is that If they have nothing better to do than chase law abiding citizens, even after it has been prooven that you did not make a call, it just shows what a spineless bunch of pricks they are

3 incidents that have shown me what a useless bunch of cunts the piggys and magistrates are:

Me and 2 mates caught a car thief, and he got a £35 fine+ £35 costs, and bound over to keep the peace , you get more for speeding

I got threatened with Dangerous Driving after I caught FIVE car thieves in one go, I chased the little wankers and guided the Police to where we were, my mate in the passenger seat was giving them a running commentry on the phone. We caught all 5, , and the Sergeant copper was more interested in bollocking me for catching them than he was keeping hold of them, and left 5 of them un-cuffed with 2 PC's. Of course, they all scarpered - real proffesional, had to go for a taped interview under caution to explain my actions as well , they didn't even prosecute the 2 lads they caught after they ran away

And me and 2 mates Caught 4 lads who had attacked a handicapped girl in Swindon , leaving her in a real bad smashed up state, head split open and bleeding everywhere , they were armed to the teeth with nun-chucks, knives and a plaster board pick axe , my mate got smacked in the face twice with the nun-chucks, but we managed to catch all 4 of the little smack head fuckers, gave statements, came back to the police station a few days later and picked all 4 out of the ID parade, and again they never even got prosecuted, and all 3 of us were willing to attend court etc

This country is a fucking joke, you get more punishment for doing 85mph on a deserted motorway than you do for stealing a car or gang attacking and robbing a defencless disabled girl

mate, you are better off being a criminal in this country than a decent person, even prisoners live in better conditions than most of the armed service lads and lasses

 

ever hear of the guilford 4 or the birmingham 5 or 6 or whatever it was, plenty of fabricated evidence there, those two idiots were up to no good, if he had been using the phone then surely the in car camera would have caught him,

 

yep £460 fine for speeding


cunts i realy do dislike them and the system

 

Threaten them with a court order as they are now withholding evidence

 

northerner, theyre not withholding evidence if the court hasn't requested it.

 

RWD_cossie_wil..Your right and tbh most coppers would agree with most of what your saying, sadley the laws are not made by the police , but by the idiots in goverment.
It's all about easy targets that look impressive on a flow chart and being pc, rather than tackling proper crime which takes more time and shows less % on the bullshit crime rate statistics.

Most coppers are brilliant people and would really like to make the difference , but thats almost impossible with this current government and the way see the polices role at the moment.

 

well the cheif constables ought to grow some balls and tell thier troops to do thier job, and ignore the guidelines.... unfortunatly it will not happen as the higher ranks become "yes men" to safeguard thier pension and promotion prospects etc.....

And I can relate to it as I am in the RAF, and we have exactly the same problems , and so do most of the government run agencies

Senior staff need to grow spines and stand up for thier men

 

From Redeye's earlier post, it is stated that O2 are not willing to provide him with any more data. They have the ability to provide data for ALL activity linked with that phone (incoming/outgoing calls and texts). The fact that they have stated that they cannot provide any information above outgoing call data to him, even in knowledge that it may prejudice his case, is in my view, unacceptable.

IIRC - Redeye can apply to the court (separately) to gain this information if O2 refuse to provide it as it will impact his case.

Also, I wonder if the DPA can be leveraged in this instance?

 

great aint they


around 3 years ago i was on my way to my G/F house on my way home from plymouth. it was about 2 in the morning and the town was kicking out i did think about going around the bypass but thought no much quicker to go through town.

as i was going through the pubs and clubs were kicking out so there was alot of ppl around at the time, the road i was driving around had a bus lane on the left and then the lane we were driving down on the right.

in front of me there was a taxi parked on the right in my lane (on bouble yellow lines) and also one parked on the left (in the bus lane) there was however enough room for me to drive throu the middle as lits of cars were.

i was doing about 10mph and as i got a few foot from passing the taxies a women in the right hand taxi flung the door open making me slam the brakes on,then proceeded to shoot at someone across the road, i beeped my horn and rev'd my engine and called her a cunt LOL she flung back some abuse and then shut the door so i pulled off again and passed the taxis.

as i passed them i looked to the right and see a cop car they shoot out behind me and pulled me just up the road.


a woman come to the window and ask'd why she had stopped me i said yes i am sorry i was just a little bit annoyed and explained what had happened with the taxi.

she then ask'd if i could come into the back of her car so i did

i was then told she was going to do me for dangerous driving

WTF

i said what for to which she said you know what for for doing a 7 second wheel spin.

to which i said i never done a wheel spin i thought you were talking about me beeping my horn after 11pm LOL

she then said she would do me for lieing to a officer unless i admitted i had done a wheel spin.

to which i said just give me my ticket


anyway i got a letter saying i was going to court for dangerous driving bla bla

i gave this to my step mum who is a legal secretary and the bloke who she works for wrote a letter saying that if they wanted to proceed the the court hearing that would be fine and we will fight it all the way and that they had no evidence as they were parked behind the taxi so could not actually see me .


went to court walked though the door was in for 5 mins and the cps dismissed it.


what a waste of tax payers money

 

I think its outrageous that they have done this! Like i said in a previous post, i would be more understanding of it if i had my hand up by my head or anywhere other than at the 4 o'clock position on the wheel that it was right up until i got out of the car! There was no way they could have even mistaken something for my hand/arm! I really dont get it!

 

Do yo not have a phone statement showing your mobile number and calls made at that time?

Thats as clear cut as you can get....especially if their evidence came back inconclusive...which means they didnt find anything! Just a word to make them look less daft...inconclusive implies they found something but not enought to be sure..

Things like this are why this country is going down the pan...FAST!

Dan

 

sbd16v - was the wheel spin you weren't doing anything like the one you're not doing in your sig?

 

If you give the bastards a inch they'll take a fuking mile off ya.

I give no respect to them what so ever

I got pulled 3 times in 1 day the first day i got my nova back on the road

And there excuse everytime was its rare to see such a old vehicle on the road we wanna check it road worthy

The funniest parts is now all the cars now have "GIVE RESPECT, GET RESPECT" written down the side of them what aload of horse shit

The average age of a police office in our area is now 19-20 yrs old and they haven't a fuking clue

 

Right thought id give you all a little update as the case is moving along a bit......

After recieving the summons which told me the hearing would be on 28/08/07 (Tuesday next week!!).....

Went to see a solicitor on Friday who gave me a bit of advice (£53 worth apparently). Basically told me to write 2 letters, 1 to the CPS and another to the Law Courts....

The letter to the CPS contained my plea, also requested some information which if i hadnt spoke to him would have had no idea was even available!! This comprises of "Prosecution Witness Statements" and amongst others a "Schedule of Unused Material" which as i understand is any evidence they may have that will not be used in court!! This letter was faxed, with a copy posted 1st class.

The 2nd letter to the Courts again stated my plea, also requested the hearing be adjourned due to the short length between the date the summons was recieved and the hearing date! This letter was faxed c/w a copy of the above letter! Again both were posted 1st class.

Today after a couple of calls to the court, i managed to get the hearing adjourned so i will now await a revised date!! Gives me a bit more time to see what the CPS send me and also take some pictures of the scene using my car and ideally a Ford Galaxy to create a true reconstruction!

Seriously what a load of effort for something i quite clearly havent done! The solicitor i saw was disgusted with the way i have been treated, and totally shocked to hear they had taken my phone!! He was saying that at the minute he pretty much only deals with these incidents (being a traffic offence specialist) and this is the first time he has heard of such a thing happening!!

The crazyness continues!

 

all I can say is, it's a good job we don't live in a country where 11 year olds get shot in the street, bikers don't get shot in the back of the head on the M40 and guncrime and violent crime is non existant.....

seeing as the police have no other major crime to tackle I can see why they are puhsing a falsified case so far I really am proud of our boys in blue, instead of admitting a mistake they would rarther push an innocent member of the public through the mill to save thier blushes


CUNTS

after you win mate, see if you can sue the fuckers for wrongful arrest/ causing you mental distress and hardship/ harresment - The only way we will stop them being cunts is to cost them money. You contacted the press yet ? The Sun etc love a good copper bashing story

 

Neil

Email the EEN Newsdesk to see if they are interested. Never know.

 

got it in one my friend. All the coppers do my way is give out slips to say they have spoken to you. And send you letters home telling your parents that your accused of putting windows through(and thats what the letter actually said) Just cos me and my mates happened to walk near the damaged shop about half hour after it happened

My folks dont give a crap if I get letters anymore as they know its a load of bullshit and waste of time!

 

bloody hell mate. Seems like youve been through quite a bit!

 

I agree entirely! Its madness to think they are wasting so much time and effort on it! And when I do get found not guilty i will be taking it for all its worth! See next post re: contacting the press!

 

I have tried this already! I emailed then at the time, however i think now it may be of more interest! Im going to possible email/call them again in the next couple of days! Might even contact The Sun aswell just to see if they want to give it a bit of coverage!

Ive got a wierd image of me being in court with a camera crew!

 

Its doing my head in, its already cost me the best part of £100 i reckon! What with running about, and paying for a 10 mins solicitor appointment!! Let alone all the time off work, time without anyway of contacting anyone i need to, and having them probably go through every last bit of my phone!