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Old 16-05-2007 | 09:21 AM
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Why did you hand your phone over?
Well i was shocked at being pulled over, he then asked me where my phone was! So i showed him by removing it from my pocket, at which point he took it off me and wouldnt let me see or touch it again! What was i supposed to do, grab him and get the phone off him?!?! Surely this would have ended up with them arresting me for assault!
Old 16-05-2007 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by The Pony Feeder
These 2 coppers are just going to get a slapped wrist whatever happens!
I doubt they'll even get that bunch of twats

They really dont help their reputations by doing shit like this.
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Get on to the local press.. pronto..

Most local rags love a good Fuzz-Bashing Story, especially when they are focusing on trivial matters and ignoring things that people really care about like anti social behaviour, burglary, car crime etc
Old 16-05-2007 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by The Pony Feeder
Originally Posted by RichardPON
Why did you hand your phone over?
Well i was shocked at being pulled over, he then asked me where my phone was! So i showed him by removing it from my pocket, at which point he took it off me and wouldnt let me see or touch it again! What was i supposed to do, grab him and get the phone off him?!?! Surely this would have ended up with them arresting me for assault!
you should have called the police and reported him for theft
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Originally Posted by neilm
Get on to the local press.. pronto..

Most local rags love a good Fuzz-Bashing Story, especially when they are focusing on trivial matters and ignoring things that people really care about like anti social behaviour, burglary, car crime etc
Done!
Old 16-05-2007 | 09:57 AM
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I wouldn't have given them my phone, they could have run and jumped for it. If they wanted to claim their word against yours that you'd been using your phone they could have done that anyway...only needed your phone if they wanted to fabricate some evidence, that they wouldn't have needed to do anyway.

The police down my way are a bit useless but do at least try to help rather than hinder.
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hope you get the right result.

bunch of fucking twats
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Well the evidence is almost with me now! The O2 website has updated, and shows all calls with the exception of the last call i made (17:20pm) so hopefully this will be fully up to date shortly, showing that the last call was 45 minutes before i was stopped!

Ive since contacted the local press, to get there views and hopefully get some sort of action taken against them!
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I;d love it if they tried this with me.


I obv have a working handsfree kit in my car- and a boot full of them ready to be installed


A mate of mine was once told he didn't have a handsfree- so he switched the ignition on, made a call, told the office thanks for his time... shut the door and drove off.

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Originally Posted by The Pony Feeder
Originally Posted by neilm
Get on to the local press.. pronto..

Most local rags love a good Fuzz-Bashing Story, especially when they are focusing on trivial matters and ignoring things that people really care about like anti social behaviour, burglary, car crime etc
Done!
Glad to have been of assistance.
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fu-huck that!

theres no way id hand over my phone to old bill, id get done for a whole lot worse than "failing to comply" if they went thru my media folder
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Well ive now obtained a call log for outgoing calls from yesterday, the last of which is at 17:27pm (I knew this already), this is almost 40 minutes prior to me being stopped! I am unable to get details of incoming calls but i know this will not be an issue!

Roll on the call from the police!!
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Well what a fucking surprise!! Just had a call from the Duty Inspector to advise me that no evidence was found to say that i had been using the fone at the time of the incident, therefore my fone will be returned to me this afternoon by an officer (hopefully the twat who took it)!

Result!
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well done mate make sure you take the fooking bastards to the cleaners
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Too right, sent an email to the local press explaining the situation! Hopefully should hear from them soon!
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I would like to say there is some good advice on this post but unfortunately I havent seen any as of yet. You dont have to be using the phone ie making calls to get done for the offence. You get done for handling the object which is capable of sending and receiving interactive communication. So just holding the phone in your hand is enough for the offence to be completed. Having your phone taken off you does sound a bit excessive but telephone records would only strengthen the case against you.

Getting the Police done for theft.... that made me laugh. Look into the definition of the offence of theft and you will see this is never a feasible solution.

And as for the old cliche of " catching real criminals " yeah we would do if we wasnt stopping people for motoring offences.
Thats last comments is in my top 5 sayings for failing the attitude test.. its a strong contender like " Im paying your wages " or " who is with your wife on a night duty ".... well its not you you ugly coont

Some of the comments I feel are a bit harsh on here towards the other members who are also old bill and like me I hope they are thinking that too many people in this world watch the bill.

There is no justification of an officer being rude for no reason, but we are only human and I admit myself I have bitten for comments made to me...but what does that achieve. Personally I would rather give out a bit of advice.... such as " Look mate I do have better things to be doing, just use your brain as traffic are not as flexible or understanding "

I for one was never bullied, not because im some hard case or anything I was just fortunate. Their are some buffoons in the job but hey you get that in every profession. I am not on a power trip... I turn up do my job and get paid at the end of the month.

Sounds like a lot of sour grapes on here and not all old bill were these purer that white angels who havent even broke the law or gone a mph over the speed limit.

There thats my rant over
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Originally Posted by Metpol
I would like to say there is some good advice on this post but unfortunately I havent seen any as of yet. You dont have to be using the phone ie making calls to get done for the offence. You get done for handling the object which is capable of sending and receiving interactive communication. So just holding the phone in your hand is enough for the offence to be completed. Having your phone taken off you does sound a bit excessive but telephone records would only strengthen the case against you and the Police have powers to seize it.

Getting the Police done for theft.... that made me laugh. Look into the definition of the offence of theft and you will see this is never a feasible solution.

And as for the old cliche of " catching real criminals " yeah we would do if we wasnt stopping people for motoring offences.
Thats last comments is in my top 5 sayings for failing the attitude test.. its a strong contender like " Im paying your wages " or " who is with your wife on a night duty ".... well its not you you ugly coont

Some of the comments I feel are a bit harsh on here towards the other members who are also old bill and like me I hope they are thinking that too many people in this world watch the bill.

There is no justification of an officer being rude for no reason, but we are only human and I admit myself I have bitten for comments made to me...but what does that achieve. Personally I would rather give out a bit of advice.... such as " Look mate I do have better things to be doing, just use your brain as traffic are not as flexible or understanding "

I for one was never bullied, not because im some hard case or anything I was just fortunate. Their are some buffoons in the job but hey you get that in every profession. I am not on a power trip... I turn up do my job and get paid at the end of the month.

Sounds like a lot of sour grapes on here and not all old bill were these purer that white angels who havent even broke the law or gone a mph over the speed limit.

There thats my rant over
thats fair comment except for........

And as for the old cliche of " catching real criminals " yeah we would do if we wasnt stopping people for motoring offences.

it was in his pocket ! no motoring offence has been committed

sounds to me like the two jobsworths were bored or were trying to fish for more serious matters to me

bang out of order

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Neil - Make a complaint and a claim... Gotta be worth it as they have been incorrect on the taking of your mobile phone......
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Taking his phone off him is still MEGA out of order regardless of how you put it.
Id get arrested before I let it happen, same as if they tried to take car (with keys, so they could drive it, wouldnt be too fussed if they couldnt drive it).

Dont trust them in the slightest, if they treat you with utter contempt, just think how theyd treat your properly.
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Haha, sorry thought he was holding it... I must really start reading post thoroughly

Well obviously that does make it a different matter... Then as far as im concerned no offence was committed... I just find it hard to believe that officers would say that he was using a phone if he never actually was.. personally I have never experienced anyone fabricating evidence. If it was me then I would have run with it at court.

It is a funny old law because it just covers holding the device.. which at the moment is even giving the police some problems with our new radios as they are mobile phone based. So techinically if we use it whilst driving then we also commit the offence... im just waiting for the first officer to appear in court for it.

I appologise for misreading the thread to start with ie the circ of the alledged offence..but it does get on my tits when we all get slagged off for some sour grapes when at the end of the day 9/10 we are just like everyone else who likes going out having a crack etc.
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fair play
these were probably the 2 goons that give the other 7 police officers in the country a bad name
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Originally Posted by Metpol
Haha, sorry thought he was holding it... I must really start reading post thoroughly

Well obviously that does make it a different matter... Then as far as im concerned no offence was committed... I just find it hard to believe that officers would say that he was using a phone if he never actually was.. personally I have never experienced anyone fabricating evidence. If it was me then I would have run with it at court.

It is a funny old law because it just covers holding the device.. which at the moment is even giving the police some problems with our new radios as they are mobile phone based. So techinically if we use it whilst driving then we also commit the offence... im just waiting for the first officer to appear in court for it.

I appologise for misreading the thread to start with ie the circ of the alledged offence..but it does get on my tits when we all get slagged off for some sour grapes when at the end of the day 9/10 we are just like everyone else who likes going out having a crack etc.
Lets hope you don't misread real life situations then eh pal.

Or was that your pals who pulled the lad

I often hear you sticking up for the police what is fair does it is your job etc but you seem to be blinkered in the fact there are bad ones out there as in any walk of life.

Just my opinion i may not have read all your posts as i don't spend my life on here.
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Definately not blinkered about some of the people in the organisation. Like I said there are some buffoons in this job and to be honest they would be the last people I would want turning up if I actually needed help. Im just saying that I have never experienced anyone fabricating evidence ..such as saying that something happened when it didnt because we would all be out of a job and at the end of the day it keeps me in tyres and the roof over my head.

I will stick up for the job in general as I know what it is like from the inside and I know about the 99% of top people I work with. I have this thing about people getting slagged of just because of the job we do. It would be like thinking all postal workers were coonts because one lost a letter.

Any copper who says that he has never misread a situation is a liar... and Ill let you in on a secret I actually misread a situation where I thought someone was holding a mobile phone, but he was one of these people who drive in the thinking position...doh. I have a list of excuses that I use to get me out of situations and not to make me even more of a spanner.

I dont like people being had over and there are plenty of people on here who I have PM'd with help and advice If I think they have been treated unfairly.

To be honest my posts are usually pants..its normally me moaning about my car being off the road...not very exciting at the best of times
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Originally Posted by Metpol
I would like to say there is some good advice on this post but unfortunately I havent seen any as of yet. You dont have to be using the phone ie making calls to get done for the offence. You get done for handling the object which is capable of sending and receiving interactive communication. So just holding the phone in your hand is enough for the offence to be completed. Having your phone taken off you does sound a bit excessive but telephone records would only strengthen the case against you.

Getting the Police done for theft.... that made me laugh. Look into the definition of the offence of theft and you will see this is never a feasible solution.

And as for the old cliche of " catching real criminals " yeah we would do if we wasnt stopping people for motoring offences.
Thats last comments is in my top 5 sayings for failing the attitude test.. its a strong contender like " Im paying your wages " or " who is with your wife on a night duty ".... well its not you you ugly coont

Some of the comments I feel are a bit harsh on here towards the other members who are also old bill and like me I hope they are thinking that too many people in this world watch the bill.

There is no justification of an officer being rude for no reason, but we are only human and I admit myself I have bitten for comments made to me...but what does that achieve. Personally I would rather give out a bit of advice.... such as " Look mate I do have better things to be doing, just use your brain as traffic are not as flexible or understanding "

I for one was never bullied, not because im some hard case or anything I was just fortunate. Their are some buffoons in the job but hey you get that in every profession. I am not on a power trip... I turn up do my job and get paid at the end of the month.

Sounds like a lot of sour grapes on here and not all old bill were these purer that white angels who havent even broke the law or gone a mph over the speed limit.

There thats my rant over
As you will see upon re-reading, the phone was in my left pocket the whole time! If i given any impression of being on the phone i would have been more receptive to there claims!

They WERE 2 jobsworths, who patrol a shitty area in Norwich and probably get to deal with all the local arseholes, why the hell they had to take it out on me i dont know!

Bet it would have been a different story if i was a pikey, cause what coppers got the bollocks to say anything then!

They are now going to get hammered, i will do everything in my power not to help the police anymore! They have NEVER helped me or been in anyway co-operative!
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Just had the phone dropped off! Not by the officers in question as i guess they dont have as much front to apologise as they do to brandish me a liar! Oh well, let the battle commence!
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Metpol
Fair cop (no pun intended) for sticking up to the force. There are always bad apples to upset the cart And strangely enough, people usually moan and don't praise, but that's society.

Originally Posted by Metpol
It is a funny old law because it just covers holding the device.. which at the moment is even giving the police some problems with our new radios as they are mobile phone based. So techinically if we use it whilst driving then we also commit the offence... im just waiting for the first officer to appear in court for it.
Problem with that, is, I can see joe public taking a cop to court if you see what i mean
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The problem with the police is that the ones that pull you up for no reason are doing it to be cunts, and the rest of the decent officers are out doing there job, so us motorists only see the complete wankers in the police force. There only human beings and seing a 24yo lad in a escort cossie tended to attract these knobs with there "i'll teach this little shit a leasson" attitude. As far as i'm concerned i've had it with the police force, as a whole as ALL the police officers i have come across are complete wankers (and that includes my old man), and i'm hardly a carreer criminal jut a young lad with a few nice motors.

FUCK THE POLICE AND FUCK THERE ATTITUDE
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Originally Posted by The Pony Feeder
Just had the phone dropped off! Not by the officers in question as i guess they dont have as much front to apologise as they do to brandish me a liar! Oh well, let the battle commence!
what battle is that then? you dont exactly sound too clued up to sue them or something
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I am not saying there are no jobsworths in the Police as I have seen some really mundane and pointless bits of Policing... one example was a lady who got processed because the fluid level in her windscreen washer bottle was empty.. I mean come off it.

I will never defend coppers who are rude as I would like to think that I speak to people how I would like to be spoken to...not because im a copper but because I would rather be seen as an ok sort of bloke and not a bell end.

if you think that you have been treated like a bit of shite then I wouldnt blame you for not wanting to help the Police anymore...im the last person to say you must help us its your duty etc. At the end of the day I would rather go home thinking that I done a good job then going home thinking " yeah i really p*ssed some people off today who didnt deserve it "

your entitled to your opinion and I may not agree with comments on this thread but hey its a free country.. for the time being anyway
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alps your not the only young lad to get pulled up by the Old bill when you were younger... I had my own parking space down the local nick and was on first name terms with the station officer. I was 17 driving RS turbos and BMW's and was always attracting the attention of the local fuzz down at the Romford circuit...aahh great days.

The way I got to look at it was..oh well I get stopped..maybe then my car is stopped next time it may not be me driving it but some scrote who has just chored it from o/s my house.... I just started carrying my Docs around with me..no more producers.
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It goes into a whole new league though when the arrogant wanker of a copper is trying his hardest to impound your car due to no insurance when i told him i could prove i had insurnce, he ddnt want to know and did everything he could to get my car impounded. Then he gave me a producer to produce my licence which i said i couldnt produce cause it was in Swansea getting an address change and points removed and i was going back to work (dundee) on the monday morning, his attitude "thats not our problem is it, you can do it tomorrow(sunday)", now i though i might have been having a blonde moment but i'm sure i had explained i didnt have my fucking license 6 fucking times. He was trying to be a awkward as possible to a law abiding person who has to pay out the nose to be fully legal on the road. Now if he had pulled me and was ok i could see where your coming from about it coud have been a car theif etc but getting treated like a complete nob is shocking, if a shop assistant treated a customer like that they would have been sacked. Its not just a 1 off either its EVERY fucking pig you come across so i stand by my well backed up statment

FUCK THE POLICE AND FUCK THERE ATTITUDE
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Originally Posted by The Pony Feeder
Just had the phone dropped off! Not by the officers in question as i guess they dont have as much front to apologise as they do to brandish me a liar! Oh well, let the battle commence!
what battle is that then? you dont exactly sound too clued up to sue them or something
Well there still asking me to go to court over it, regardless of the fact they have absolutely no reason to pull me over, and no evidence to back it up! And i dont exactly enjoy being talked to like a cunt when im trying to be helpful and get something sorted!

Why ever would i want to sue them? And for what?!?
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So why do you have to go to coart???????? what are you getting prosicuted for???????????????
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I have been in the same boat when I was younger with producers. I have always had my car insured and had to go to court twice to prove it. I remember going to barking Mags and the old Mags simply said " do you have insurance " i said yes held up my insurance certificate and that was it...did P me off at the time but such is life. I think the copper that did that to me was a spanner.

There is no excuse for being treated as a complete cock, i wont defend their actions or attitude.. I know I dont act like that so im happy.

So pony why are you going to court? what did they say
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So can you undertand why public relations is at an all ime low between the police and the public. You sound like a decent 1 tbh but you must admit for every 1 decent 1 there are 10 wankers. I've had enough of the police but dont have a shitty attitude witht them if there reasonable with me if they start acting the cunt then i will be sarcy back and fight my corner. The problem is most have the your guilty untill proven innocent and most cant be arsed, another incident years ago some cunt thow a bottle at me car and dented the roof so i pulled down a side street jumped out and went over to the nearest bobby told him the crack, he looked at me up and down then turned away and just stood there. I tapped him on the shoulder and said if you dont do something then i'm going to go and kick the fuck out of said scrotem so will be more hassle for him. Funny enough ANOTHER bobby heard me and actually did what he was getting paid for
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Originally Posted by Alps Pacino
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So why do you have to go to coart???????? what are you getting prosicuted for???????????????
The inspector who dropped my phone off, said that if i want to appeal against the charge (Using the phone whilst driving) it will go to court, even though they havent found any evidence!

I dont mind attending court, will be nice to see the officers again!
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Originally Posted by Metpol
personally I have never experienced anyone fabricating evidence. If it was me then I would have run with it at court.
I have and I did take the pair of cunts to court - well their boss actually!!

The reason I had to take it to court is because the PCC are not interested unless you have broken bones - that was a quote from the PCC cunt that visted my house and guess what he was an ex copper - totally imparial NOT!

Now in order to take the police to court you as a person need money - even if you get insurance - the premium is thousand of pounds.

Now the police they just use public cash to defend themselves and there is no individual at risk at all.

Proper fair system it is don't you agree ?

I actually lost my court case against the police because I could not prove their lies. The insurance cost me £32K and total court cost were over £150+K

I was lucky as my premimum was insured itself. However I had to front the money in order to show commitment. I had 10 days before the court case to find £32K else if I lost the case I was fucked. I only just managed to do it.

So what did 6 years of on and off stress teach me - don't take the police to court unless you have broken bones. Forget what happen and move on.

And btw the lies went way beyond the two arresting offiers and I love the way they lost evidence and police records.

The police disgust me...!
Old 16-05-2007 | 03:01 PM
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Just wanted to say that it is good that Metpol offered the other sides opinion, and he shouldnt be personally condemned for doing that.

As for my own opinion, I believe that Police Officers have a very hard job to do, which no-one can deny. But equally, the job is hard because of the level of expectation when it comes to their own behaviour and attitude.

It becomes about trust. A Police Officer must be above all other things absolutely trustworthy, and nothing less. Any behaviour similar to this must be considered to be a signficant issue.

By becoming an officer, one puts oneself on a pedestal, and it is no longer acceptable to be treated the same as anyone else. If the account given by The Pony Feeder is accurate, then the Police Officers need to be dealt with in my opinion very seriously. This goes double if they are patrolling a hard patch.

They breached his rights, didnt listen to him, and bullied him. The last thing that the Police need is to be considered bullies!

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So why do you have to go to coart???????? what are you getting prosicuted for???????????????
The inspector who dropped my phone off, said that if i want to appeal against the charge (Using the phone whilst driving) it will go to court, even though they havent found any evidence!

I dont mind attending court, will be nice to see the officers again!
Just remember if its your word against theirs the court will always favour them due to their job and position etc !
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I do understand a lot of frustration towards the Police and the public because a lot of the time we are seen not to be doing our jobs ie: by not getting to a call on time or didnt make and arrest or get a successful prosecution but this is generally due to other factors which the public/victims are unaware of. It is a thankless job we do and to be honest I have no time for coppers who like to give the rest of us a bad name by just being complete tits.

It is a strange job and not my ideal occupation..personally I would have rather been a pilot or something but Im far to thick for that. It just really annoys me when you see things on the media slagging us off for everything that ever occurs in this planet. I mean someone gets murdered... ok not a great thing for the victim or the family of the victim but who's fault is it....is it the suspect..no its the police because of our failings in ticking some ticky box on some form. I watched one of these early morning chat shows once and it had some guy on it moaning that a black man had been shot by the Police and the police just shoot black males... I was getting so annoyed thinking what fooking planet are you on...do they honestly think the Police shoot someone because of their skin colour??? maybe it had something to do with the fact he got shot because he had a gun or something.

I know I went a bit off topic there but it just shows my frustration when it comes to people slagging us the decent coppers. Thats why I write so much bollox on these threads.

And as for car crime.. I personally target those fookers


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