Track and Road Rainham Essex
11-05-2007, 03:31 PM
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Track and Road Rainham Essex
Anyone heard of em ? They have a TaT CH2 Rolling road I think anyone know how accurate these are ? As good as the Dyno Dynamics stuff ?
http://www.chassisdyno.de/
http://www.tracknroad.com/
http://www.chassisdyno.de/
http://www.tracknroad.com/
11-05-2007, 03:39 PM
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yes, about 1 mile from me, allways full of stock cars ( essex arena ), try turbosport forums, as i know they have an old skool ford RR meet now and then.
It 2wd, so ive never used it.
It 2wd, so ive never used it.
11-05-2007, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
there the guys who turboed my mates erst with a drilled out pipe for adjusting boost rather than a bleed valve
so there WELL quality
so there WELL quality
Their dyno however seems pretty accurate from what i remember, my mates punto and BMW were virtually spot on what they should have been. They also melted my mates RST on the rollers too
11-05-2007, 06:54 PM
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simon,,,, the rebuild was prob down to his driving,,, as he did spank the car and didnt care about it,,,, as he done with his scooby so i wouldnt hold that as there fault
melting a car on the rollers is just shite and a reason why i would never bother to mention there name let alone use them
there boost control was fucking thick as fuck too
theres 3 places in the world i would let touch my car, 1 is a bodyshop called WSG and its not just cause they dont charge me for work done but cause there good, the other is his mechanical side of the business called warner street,,, again just cause hes techs know more than fords do and MSD,,, just cause hes level of service is spot on
the first 2 places i trust cause there one of my biggest customers and they wont screw me over and stu is a seperate business with no ties to me at all but hes still not a person to ever screw me over
melting a car on the rollers is just shite and a reason why i would never bother to mention there name let alone use them
there boost control was fucking thick as fuck too
theres 3 places in the world i would let touch my car, 1 is a bodyshop called WSG and its not just cause they dont charge me for work done but cause there good, the other is his mechanical side of the business called warner street,,, again just cause hes techs know more than fords do and MSD,,, just cause hes level of service is spot on
the first 2 places i trust cause there one of my biggest customers and they wont screw me over and stu is a seperate business with no ties to me at all but hes still not a person to ever screw me over
11-05-2007, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
simon,,,, the rebuild was prob down to his driving,,, as he did spank the car and didnt care about it,,,, as he done with his scooby so i wouldnt hold that as there fault
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11-05-2007, 09:02 PM
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they wacked his boost right up after 500 miles knowing it was a standard engine, not advising him to use arp rod bolts or anything, i think a decent mapper should take engine spec into consideration when turning up boost and advise people accordingly, and i took this engine apart and had not had a proper rebuilt asthe second hand block we fitted had less wear than what thier "rebuilt engine" had. i personally wouldnt trust them.
11-05-2007, 09:10 PM
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paul no disrespect but how can you judge whats rebuilt properly ?
how many years of technical engine building do you have ?
they never wacked the boost right up, he adjusted it with the wanky pipe system
im not saying they done a good job but engine wear has fuck all to do with a rod leaving the block
a rod leaving a block is down to either bad bolts, not done the bolts up enough or him ragging the car,, now what was he doing when he threw a legg out of bed ?
as i know he wasnt doing 30 in 5th gear
and you lot BODGED a engine together than held on with luck,,,, giving simon the idea that engine building is easy and that erst's can last for ever and so he ragged the shite out of his car then blamed em when they went wrong
hes gearbox needs a rebuild due to oil leaking from the end plate and having no oil in it
hayden also fucked his scooby engine and how many driveshafts by donuting the car
now all the times i went in haydens rs van or his cab he ragged the car in first adn second then start of third but never drove them fast
thats why hes shocky engine died,,, the shonky build never helped i admit but it never just failed
how many years of technical engine building do you have ?
they never wacked the boost right up, he adjusted it with the wanky pipe system
im not saying they done a good job but engine wear has fuck all to do with a rod leaving the block
a rod leaving a block is down to either bad bolts, not done the bolts up enough or him ragging the car,, now what was he doing when he threw a legg out of bed ?
as i know he wasnt doing 30 in 5th gear
and you lot BODGED a engine together than held on with luck,,,, giving simon the idea that engine building is easy and that erst's can last for ever and so he ragged the shite out of his car then blamed em when they went wrong
hes gearbox needs a rebuild due to oil leaking from the end plate and having no oil in it
hayden also fucked his scooby engine and how many driveshafts by donuting the car
now all the times i went in haydens rs van or his cab he ragged the car in first adn second then start of third but never drove them fast
thats why hes shocky engine died,,, the shonky build never helped i admit but it never just failed
12-05-2007, 09:57 AM
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ginge you dont need much engine building experience to know that a huge lip on a top of a bore is not a fresh engine when it should have a new oil pump etc? and the only reason why that engine was slapped together was so he could drive as he had no money after that "rebuild". my idea of a rebuild would be rebored, balances, wit new pistons, rings, pumps etc, but when you let a car warm up ragging it shouldnt matter to much within reason, he only had the odd tear up, not constant, which id thought the gearbox would let go first?
12-05-2007, 11:49 AM
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The car was NOT being ragged, the boost was never adjusted, the car was still doing its running in miles as i was with him the night it went! From what i know of engines now id bet money the rod bolts werent tightened.
Paul - to be fair did you expect them to rebore the block and fit oversize pistons? If the block was shagged that would be the only answer?
Still a bunch of cowboys though
Paul - to be fair did you expect them to rebore the block and fit oversize pistons? If the block was shagged that would be the only answer?
Still a bunch of cowboys though
12-05-2007, 12:01 PM
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Can't comment on their engine building but they are highly rated in the NA mapping scene.
The guy I use has ALL his NA stuff done there and has never had a problem except for the odd hours they like to work.
Amazing how the internet can cause a company to be known as shit when in the motorsport world their known as some of the best
The guy I use has ALL his NA stuff done there and has never had a problem except for the odd hours they like to work.
Amazing how the internet can cause a company to be known as shit when in the motorsport world their known as some of the best
12-05-2007, 12:06 PM
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Can't comment on their engine building but they are highly rated in the NA mapping scene.
The guy I use has ALL his NA stuff done there and has never had a problem except for the odd hours they like to work.
Amazing how the internet can cause a company to be known as shit when in the motorsport world their known as some of the best
The guy I use has ALL his NA stuff done there and has never had a problem except for the odd hours they like to work.
Amazing how the internet can cause a company to be known as shit when in the motorsport world their known as some of the best
Ive always seen a lot of genuine race cars there which has surprised me but also know they've melted a mates Zetec turbo ont he rollers so might just be the NA stuff.
your right though they do work some funny hours
12-05-2007, 12:23 PM
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I know they map a hell of a lot of stuff besides NA engines.
Dodge Ram SRT10 with over 800hp, red thing if u know of it
Plenty of the old race cars too, quite suprised by what you have said tbh but as I said I really do not know of him from engine building
Dodge Ram SRT10 with over 800hp, red thing if u know of it
Plenty of the old race cars too, quite suprised by what you have said tbh but as I said I really do not know of him from engine building
12-05-2007, 01:02 PM
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johnny its not just the usual internet bollox of bad mouthing a company simon and pauls mate DID get fucked over
but then i remember engine advangates getting told there the bollox and they wont go else where cause hes montune god and hyundai regret ever having him leave,,,, then you hear about the famous celebs get fucked over by him, they you hear other cars with issues where there customers wonnt belive the truth
theres so many people in the car game that dont do a proper job by just guessing and not asking or admiting when there too busy or just aint got time to tell a customer for fear of loosing the bill te guys paying
i get it all the time with garages who quote for things and the customer rows so they do half the job rather than admit they miss diagnosed the problem
its easy to do a job wrong, its hard to do the job right all the time
i hate garages who dont know what there doing but then if where honest how many garages have qualifacations let alone speak the fucking language
anyway id only use msd for tuning and thats cause he checks for problems before he starts rather than tell me hes fucked the car cause he aint paied to check things i dont tell him about
if i want a fitter to work on my car id take it to quickfit
but then i remember engine advangates getting told there the bollox and they wont go else where cause hes montune god and hyundai regret ever having him leave,,,, then you hear about the famous celebs get fucked over by him, they you hear other cars with issues where there customers wonnt belive the truth
theres so many people in the car game that dont do a proper job by just guessing and not asking or admiting when there too busy or just aint got time to tell a customer for fear of loosing the bill te guys paying
i get it all the time with garages who quote for things and the customer rows so they do half the job rather than admit they miss diagnosed the problem
its easy to do a job wrong, its hard to do the job right all the time
i hate garages who dont know what there doing but then if where honest how many garages have qualifacations let alone speak the fucking language
anyway id only use msd for tuning and thats cause he checks for problems before he starts rather than tell me hes fucked the car cause he aint paied to check things i dont tell him about
if i want a fitter to work on my car id take it to quickfit
12-05-2007, 01:29 PM
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Well explained Ginge
Thsi IS why Stu has such a good reputation though, he takes no chances and checks everything out, like anyone else should too but there not all like that.
This Nova I'm doing is being mapped by Steve @ Track and Race, the whole car is freshly built and the engine was built by someone who really knows his shit, he will be giving the car (engine mainly) the once over as he wont see any of his engines fail through stupid mistakes.
No matter if its a rolling road setup or a a dyno session he ALWAYS makes sure he is there to make sure that IF a problem arrises he can sort it or prevent any arguments of who was in the wrong.
When eventually my engine is ready let alone the car I would prefer to just run it in and take it to Stu and leave it with him although with Harvey being 20 mins up the road it makes sense to just stick it on a dyno and fit it into teh car 90% ready to go. No matter what people like to think about Harvey and Ahmed they are both some of the best in their game.
For now though I'll just concentrate on getting this nova done then worry about my own car
Thsi IS why Stu has such a good reputation though, he takes no chances and checks everything out, like anyone else should too but there not all like that.
This Nova I'm doing is being mapped by Steve @ Track and Race, the whole car is freshly built and the engine was built by someone who really knows his shit, he will be giving the car (engine mainly) the once over as he wont see any of his engines fail through stupid mistakes.
No matter if its a rolling road setup or a a dyno session he ALWAYS makes sure he is there to make sure that IF a problem arrises he can sort it or prevent any arguments of who was in the wrong.
When eventually my engine is ready let alone the car I would prefer to just run it in and take it to Stu and leave it with him although with Harvey being 20 mins up the road it makes sense to just stick it on a dyno and fit it into teh car 90% ready to go. No matter what people like to think about Harvey and Ahmed they are both some of the best in their game.
For now though I'll just concentrate on getting this nova done then worry about my own car
12-05-2007, 03:09 PM
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simon i wernt thinking you would get a rebuild with new pistons and rebore but a decent engine builder would not put thier name on a bodge job and would seriously advise customer against it. i have heard good things about them from some people but i personally wasnt impressed with them, when we showed them theremains of the engine and the thrownrod, thier reply was " oh thank god it wernt nothing to do with us" if that rod was torqued up right why would it throw on running in miles without boost?
12-05-2007, 03:33 PM
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lots of things can cause a engine to fail
i very much doubt hayden for a engine REBUILD for a grand with labour, i recon he just assumed it was a full rebuild and called it that
the parts and machining costs to rebuild it like a new engine aint far from the grand without the labour to do it all
but that aint the point
advising the use of arp rod bolts is bollox too as if he was running in and not on boost ( you dont run a car in on boost EVER) and it let go it wasnt the rod bolts that caused it as they can see 15psi of boost and still not fail and thats when driven hard
what was the reason why they had his car ?
hayden aint the smartest when it comes to cars and also simon didnt even know what a uprated turbo looked like them days and only understood what the books told him spec wise with no experience and paul your mechanical knowlege is still at the fitting stage these days too and its a bit early for you to dianose problems considering you cut a alternator belt to stop it rubbing and was gonna drive on relying on the battery,,,, you obv dont know the difference weak voltage makes on a car when being used
but as said i wouldnt take my car there but then i belive in traveling to get the RIGHT job done rather than second best if the money is the same
i very much doubt hayden for a engine REBUILD for a grand with labour, i recon he just assumed it was a full rebuild and called it that
the parts and machining costs to rebuild it like a new engine aint far from the grand without the labour to do it all
but that aint the point
advising the use of arp rod bolts is bollox too as if he was running in and not on boost ( you dont run a car in on boost EVER) and it let go it wasnt the rod bolts that caused it as they can see 15psi of boost and still not fail and thats when driven hard
what was the reason why they had his car ?
hayden aint the smartest when it comes to cars and also simon didnt even know what a uprated turbo looked like them days and only understood what the books told him spec wise with no experience and paul your mechanical knowlege is still at the fitting stage these days too and its a bit early for you to dianose problems considering you cut a alternator belt to stop it rubbing and was gonna drive on relying on the battery,,,, you obv dont know the difference weak voltage makes on a car when being used
but as said i wouldnt take my car there but then i belive in traveling to get the RIGHT job done rather than second best if the money is the same
12-05-2007, 03:38 PM
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btw the problem with garages is 80% of em will do ANYTHING if theres no money comming in otherwise they will get shut down due to no income
good garages get better through experience and some people like stu will accept a waiting list for customers of 6 months which 60% of the people will be no shows or cancel and go else where
other garages will take the jobs on and have them waiting around for 3 to 4 weeks just cause they are scared there will be no jobs there in 4 weeks
the difference is that stu has the rep of turning a way shonky cars cause hes rather have a car thats worth looking on or tell the customer the problems and say if the cars worth doing
others will do the job asked for and if that dont solve the problem charge for it and hope the car fails later on so they can claim its fuck all to do with them
good garages get better through experience and some people like stu will accept a waiting list for customers of 6 months which 60% of the people will be no shows or cancel and go else where
other garages will take the jobs on and have them waiting around for 3 to 4 weeks just cause they are scared there will be no jobs there in 4 weeks
the difference is that stu has the rep of turning a way shonky cars cause hes rather have a car thats worth looking on or tell the customer the problems and say if the cars worth doing
others will do the job asked for and if that dont solve the problem charge for it and hope the car fails later on so they can claim its fuck all to do with them
is what i made
12-05-2007, 04:35 PM
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so pointless is what your saying
thats alot of torque,,, what is it a focus diesel ?
thats alot of torque,,, what is it a focus diesel ?
fast enough to dispatch an Rb5 on the way home
13-05-2007, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
lots of things can cause a engine to fail
i very much doubt hayden for a engine REBUILD for a grand with labour, i recon he just assumed it was a full rebuild and called it that
the parts and machining costs to rebuild it like a new engine aint far from the grand without the labour to do it all
but that aint the point
advising the use of arp rod bolts is bollox too as if he was running in and not on boost ( you dont run a car in on boost EVER) and it let go it wasnt the rod bolts that caused it as they can see 15psi of boost and still not fail and thats when driven hard
no offence but u dont know nothing about my mecganical skills, my theory on wiring etc and what every part of a turbo does may not be shit how but i can build an engine and know what a good engine looks like from a shitter. you weere slating the way haydens engine that we temp bodged together was built but it was built how an engine should be mechanically justusing shit parts as thats all he could afford to get it onthe road
what was the reason why they had his car ?
hayden aint the smartest when it comes to cars and also simon didnt even know what a uprated turbo looked like them days and only understood what the books told him spec wise with no experience and Paul your mechanical knowlege is still at the fitting stage these days too and its a bit early for you to dianose problems considering you cut a alternator belt to stop it rubbing and was gonna drive on relying on the battery,,,, you obv dont know the difference weak voltage makes on a car when being used
but as said i wouldnt take my car there but then i belive in traveling to get the RIGHT job done rather than second best if the money is the same
i very much doubt hayden for a engine REBUILD for a grand with labour, i recon he just assumed it was a full rebuild and called it that
the parts and machining costs to rebuild it like a new engine aint far from the grand without the labour to do it all
but that aint the point
advising the use of arp rod bolts is bollox too as if he was running in and not on boost ( you dont run a car in on boost EVER) and it let go it wasnt the rod bolts that caused it as they can see 15psi of boost and still not fail and thats when driven hard
no offence but u dont know nothing about my mecganical skills, my theory on wiring etc and what every part of a turbo does may not be shit how but i can build an engine and know what a good engine looks like from a shitter. you weere slating the way haydens engine that we temp bodged together was built but it was built how an engine should be mechanically justusing shit parts as thats all he could afford to get it onthe road
what was the reason why they had his car ?
hayden aint the smartest when it comes to cars and also simon didnt even know what a uprated turbo looked like them days and only understood what the books told him spec wise with no experience and Paul your mechanical knowlege is still at the fitting stage these days too and its a bit early for you to dianose problems considering you cut a alternator belt to stop it rubbing and was gonna drive on relying on the battery,,,, you obv dont know the difference weak voltage makes on a car when being used
but as said i wouldnt take my car there but then i belive in traveling to get the RIGHT job done rather than second best if the money is the same
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