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Old 30-03-2007, 12:05 PM
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Default Wasted spark problem SHE BLOODY RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!

my car wont start after fitting wasted spark and closed loop to my ecu the coilpack is not actually bolted at min to bodywork does this need to be earthed or should it still start?
Old 30-03-2007, 01:24 PM
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why dont u earth it and find out

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DO NOT TRY IT BLINDLY VERY BAD ADVICE FROM ABOVE

You do not need to earth the coil pack itself in any way.
Old 30-03-2007, 01:43 PM
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Middle wire ign.live, outer to to ECU (1 wire for 1&4 spark, other wire for 2&3 spark) - I think!!
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Old 30-03-2007, 01:59 PM
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well im stump whats up!!!

im using a coil from a fiesta rs turbo so im guessing it will be ok.
everyhting else is new

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and can i double check the pins do go in 21 & 26 of ecu?
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It's pins 25 & 26

Pin 21 is rev counter drive.
Old 30-03-2007, 02:19 PM
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no earth needed with a wasted spark system other than those created by the ECU
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USing the same system where would you pick up the rev counter wire from? (Ie - which pin on an eec iv ECU?

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Chris,

EEC4 works differently.


Roosie,

Have you read the instructions supplied ?
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Originally Posted by L8 ECU
It's pins 25 & 26

Pin 21 is rev counter drive.
pin21 had nothing on it?
the wires i have on my coilpack loom have 21 and other has 26 taped on them.

heres inside of my ecu
Old 30-03-2007, 02:31 PM
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aint got instructions given to me have pm`d stu but obviously hes busy!


i got a wasted spark driver fitted and closel loop chip fitted at same time
got some instruction for closed loop but none for iaw system
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Pin 21 looks connected there to me
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Roosie,

Give Stu or Kenny a call directly PMs are for the website not his business.
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no i mean the connection that goes onto the ecu no 21 was empty but i put 1 of my wires in it and the other one which was 26 was also empty so put one in that also as numbered
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i got the loom from ryan but i think there the same as stu`s so whats gone wrong tried ringing stu but no answer
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cant scan the 10 steps fro me
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thats what i done
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Originally Posted by Roosie
thats what i done
What are the symtoms when you try and crank the engine over?

Describe exactly what happens.
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Originally Posted by L8 ECU
Originally Posted by Roosie
thats what i done
What are the symtoms when you try and crank the engine over?
Describe exactly what happens.
In your own time Roosie..............
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just turns and turns not a hint of trying to start!


when the ignition is on the fuel pressure regulator sounds like its just constantly leaking air
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See how many signature colour changes you can get in Doug before he replies.
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Originally Posted by Roosie
just turns and turns not a hint of trying to start!
when the ignition is on the fuel pressure regulator sounds like its just constantly leaking air
Any tendency to back fire?
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turns over fairly fast compared to normal
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Is it not worth pulling a plug out to and turning over to see if you have spark?

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hasnt yet
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its hard to check tbh as im on my own here and i have to crank it over and its a bright day and check but ill try in a bit
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Also, check that you havent disturbed the phase sensor when doing the conversion.

I presume that you have left the cap alone, but if you have removed it etc - this may explain it?

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is the right hand side pin on that plug pushed in fully??? looks like the yellow insulating is sticking out a bit..
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Well spotted Eagle! Certainly looks a little suss!
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Originally Posted by JjCoDeX75
Also, check that you havent disturbed the phase sensor when doing the conversion.JJ
Good point .............and Roosie - make sure the phase sensor connector (plug) is still in place (connected).
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ok

that was just a runner insert sticking out ehich i rectified earlier!


i didi take the dizzy cap off but the phases sensor plug is still connected ive put the dizzy cap back on without the rotor arm?
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Originally Posted by L8 ECU
Originally Posted by JjCoDeX75
Also, check that you havent disturbed the phase sensor when doing the conversion.JJ
Good point .............and Roosie - make sure the phase sensor connector (plug) is still in place (connected).
If it has become unplugged, then you also need to ensure that it is re plugged in the correct way round - it will fit both way rounds! If it is plugged in the wrong way round then the engine wont start at all (much like your symptoms!)

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you forgot to take out the supressor in the green wire as mentioned
This can cause fatal damage to the coilpack driver
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UPDATE

when i put ignition on but not turn it the spark plugs spark like mad constant then when u turn it over there is a weak spark
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is this the supressor with 2 green wires going to it? with a male and female bullet connector going to it



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