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28-03-2007, 01:39 PM
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professional engineers
there is now an online petition to the government to recognise the professional status of proper engineers. if you're fed up of bin men being labelled as "waste engineers" or other such bullshit (no disrespect to bin men), then sign up and try and get the profession properly recognised.
personally, i have a B.Eng (Hons) but am not chartered IMechE so it would not directly benefit me, but i believe that it should be done
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Engineer-Status/
from the petition initiator:
personally, i have a B.Eng (Hons) but am not chartered IMechE so it would not directly benefit me, but i believe that it should be done
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Engineer-Status/
from the petition initiator:
As a recently qualified Astronautics Engineer and with 8 years experience as a Robotics Engineer I am at a point where due to the lack of respect by the Government, the media in particular the BBC, and society as a whole, I feel there is little point staying in the UK. Car mechanics,Plumbers and Electricians are now commonly referred to as Engineers and Banks now regard Engineers as non/semi skilled. With the UK falling behind most other countries in training Professional Engineers and the falling numbers of children undertaking science based subjects this can only result in a reduction in the UK’s competitiveness. I believe for the long turn prosperity of the UK and to attract students back to science subjects the Government must act decisively and introduce laws to protect Engineers such that only “Chartered Engineers” ImechE, RAeS can use the title Engineer. This will give Engineers the same professional status in our society as doctors, lawyers similar to Europe.
28-03-2007, 03:18 PM
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i call myself an engineer 
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28-03-2007, 03:28 PM
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i think its silly havin names for the bin men like waste engineer but takin it away from plumbers and electricians is a bit harsh and especially in plumbing because they do alot off different things that alot off people dont realise. plumbers and electricians do alot off training and its a 4 year apprentiship not one off mickey mouse learn plumbing in a week jobs so not calling them engineers is stupid
28-03-2007, 03:31 PM
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but takin it away from plumbers and electricians is a bit harsh and especially in plumbing because they do alot off different things that alot off people dont realise
28-03-2007, 03:34 PM
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i'm studying automotive engineering with motorsport at university of hertfordshire and its a propper engineering degree (BEng Hons).
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
28-03-2007, 03:34 PM
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rigwrecker agreed that it is a skilled job that requires training and qualifications, but they're not professional engineers in the same way that a chartered engineer is (much like a doctor, solicitor etc)
28-03-2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by phil_focus
i'm studying automotive engineering with motorsport at university of hertfordshire and its a propper engineering degree (BEng Hons).
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
there was some woman from the imeche doing a talk about it
28-03-2007, 03:46 PM
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i don't think that is anything wrong with calling a plumber a plumber and an electrician an electrician though is there?
in places like germany, those are recognised as skilled trades and not just any tom, dick or heinz harald can work in them until they've done the training and got the qualifications. for the consumer, that means that there is more chance of getting a decent job done for a competitive price
in places like germany, those are recognised as skilled trades and not just any tom, dick or heinz harald can work in them until they've done the training and got the qualifications. for the consumer, that means that there is more chance of getting a decent job done for a competitive price
28-03-2007, 04:02 PM
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i like the name plumber but nowadays the gas industry requires engineers trained up to the eyeballs and in scotland thats part off the training during the 4 years thats part off the reason plumbers come under the engineer bracket dont get me wrong u are a proper engineer but u have your full title and so does plumbing.
28-03-2007, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by S1sam
Originally Posted by phil_focus
i'm studying automotive engineering with motorsport at university of hertfordshire and its a propper engineering degree (BEng Hons).
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
there was some woman from the imeche doing a talk about it
so what is this special chartered engineer status and how do you get it??
28-03-2007, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rigwrecker
i like the name plumber but nowadays the gas industry requires engineers trained up to the eyeballs and in scotland thats part off the training during the 4 years thats part off the reason plumbers come under the engineer bracket dont get me wrong u are a proper engineer but u have your full title and so does plumbing.
I'm not saying he isn't skilled or trained [A doctor/accountant/racing driver is skilled and trained] but none of them are engineers!!
28-03-2007, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by phil_focus
Originally Posted by S1sam
Originally Posted by phil_focus
i'm studying automotive engineering with motorsport at university of hertfordshire and its a propper engineering degree (BEng Hons).
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
there was some woman from the imeche doing a talk about it
so what is this special chartered engineer status and how do you get it??
- Join the relevant professional body.
- You must gain a masters qualification in a accredited degree
- Join a company with a recognised graduate development scheme in line with your professional body
- Record you work/experiance etc... for four years [has to be to a sufficient level] and then apply for chartered status where you will have an interview by the professional body.
That is somewhat simplified
28-03-2007, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by John Laverick
Originally Posted by rigwrecker
i like the name plumber but nowadays the gas industry requires engineers trained up to the eyeballs and in scotland thats part off the training during the 4 years thats part off the reason plumbers come under the engineer bracket dont get me wrong u are a proper engineer but u have your full title and so does plumbing.
I'm not saying he isn't skilled or trained [A doctor/accountant/racing driver is skilled and trained] but none of them are engineers!!
- really does my head in this does! 
28-03-2007, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by John Laverick
Originally Posted by phil_focus
Originally Posted by S1sam
Originally Posted by phil_focus
i'm studying automotive engineering with motorsport at university of hertfordshire and its a propper engineering degree (BEng Hons).
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
how do you become a "chartered engineer"?????
there was some woman from the imeche doing a talk about it
so what is this special chartered engineer status and how do you get it??
- Join the relevant professional body.
- You must gain a masters qualification in a accredited degree
- Join a company with a recognised graduate development scheme in line with your professional body
- Record you work/experiance etc... for four years [has to be to a sufficient level] and then apply for chartered status where you will have an interview by the professional body.
That is somewhat simplified
28-03-2007, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rigwrecker
well john explain what engineer means and then we can decide what skilled job are to be removed from the engineer bracket
A plumber uses standard components [and possibly very simple calculations] and arranges them into a system...zero creativity, zero non-established technology and practically no scientific knowledge......although I will give you the practical problem bit at the end.
28-03-2007, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rigwrecker
well john explain what engineer means and then we can decide what skilled job are to be removed from the engineer bracket
A plumber uses standard components [and possibly very simple calculations] and arranges them into a system...zero creativity, zero non-established technology and practically no scientific knowledge......although I will give you the practical problem bit at the end.
in my job, i modify and build new machines and systems all day long, i think i can personally class myself as an engineer, my boss is chartered and i tell him what we should do
28-03-2007, 05:51 PM
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I have letters after my name but never use them.
(Sure someone will make a sarcy comment)
I can kind of understand why this petition has surfaced but dont really
care one way or the other personally as I am lucky to be in an industry
sector where experience is more important than qualifications/titles.
Unfortunately, most employers do make destinctions.
The fact is, there is a blurred line between...
Designers and Engineers
....then....
Engineers and Technicians
(Sure someone will make a sarcy comment)
I can kind of understand why this petition has surfaced but dont really
care one way or the other personally as I am lucky to be in an industry
sector where experience is more important than qualifications/titles.
Unfortunately, most employers do make destinctions.
The fact is, there is a blurred line between...
Designers and Engineers
....then....
Engineers and Technicians
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