rapidcossie

You know how you always hear people saying they smoked a Blade or an R1 in their cossie...

I can confirm its TOTAL bull

Had a wee blast with Valentino Toff (Tof off of here) tonight on his 03 plate R6...

All i can say is he is a BRAVE man!

I would say i have a genuine 530 ish bhp and we were evenly matched from 50 up to about 130 then the big old T4 started to work its magic and I started to pass but then we ran out of road.

IMO you would need a genuine 600 bhp to beat a R1 or similar big bike.

What are people experiences with bikes?

All of the above was done in temps of about 3 deg, so shows how brave Tof actually was, cold tyres and al that....NUTTER

toff

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pmsl trying to have a quiet ride home, next thing thers an Evo,P1 and rapid in hot pursuit so just had to join in and go for it lol. Great fun and the fastest ave had the bike go

rapidcossie

what was it toff? limiter in 5th then into 6th...

will let the bikers work out what this is

biglee

i have a zxr750 race prep bike and i had a run with 3drbadboys escos the other day... i kept up ish but didnt have the bottle to try and pass him, on public roads it was pretty impossible to get a good run but his car was mighty quick off the mark, and its gorgeous... bastard

Deano

Sorry but I had 500hp and I could always push a bike out the way when they were humped over the tank reaching top speed

A particular funny moment for me was when I was up the backside of a Blade at full boost going for 5th gear and the lower boost hose blew apart having 36 psi rammed through it , noise was shockingly loud and the biker thought I shot at him

I was a little shocked myself thinking bastard car whats happened now , until I realised the hose had split from turbo to intercooler

But yeah Ive never had any trouble with bikes even lower down they wouldnt ever fully leave me behind where their acceleration matters , but that was about 4 years back and bikes have come a long way since then .

I mean theyre hitting 180bhp now , a few years back that was WSB power

alb

Lol i like threads like these. Lets say a bike like an R1 has 150BHP and weighs around 180kg, whereas your car probably weighs a ton at least. The power to weight ratio of the R1 is nearly 1bhp per KG, so for the same ratio in a car you'd need around 800BHP.
Deano you say you had 500BHP which to me would say your car weighs about 700kg, i had no idea smart cars could be tuned so high.

I've ridden some of the fastest bikes in the world, the quickest being a GSXR-600 with 750 head and full carbon fibre bodywork. I would bet my last Ł20 not even a Maclaren F1 would touch it, especially on the straights. If you've ever beaten a bike then the rider either didn't fancy dying or just wasn't that good a rider.
I was a mechanic for P+H motorcycles for 4 years, my job included road testing pretty much every model straight out of the crate, dyno running, and prepping PR bikes for the likes of Superbike magazine etc etc.

Why on forums like this do people feel they need to compare all the time, cossie Vs Evo, Cossie Vs Bike, Scoob Vs Figaro. If your happy with your car then stop looking at what others are doing.

You need to remember your essentially in a metal cage whereas bike owners are exposed to the elements. Someone pulling out on you at insane speeds may mean you'd get injured but the same scenario would see the bike rider dead without question.

Most performance bikes do 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds, when your car can do the same then it would be fair to compare the 2.

dovboy

i have a few mates that have bikes and i think unless you got the jump on them(big bikes anyway)i dont think you could beat them even with 500 bhp.not straitline anyway!

i have raced an r1 b4 at top speed and there wasnt much in it(he was reading 183mph on his speedo).
i melted a piston on that run

kev raced my mate when he had his 3door ,again not much in it,,i hear what you are saying alb,i couldnt help but feel a little worried with his t-shirt halfway up his back flapping in the wind at 180mph+.his bike had a fairing at the time , it now looks like this but with carbon dymag rims now....

The DIVA

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On the twisty stuff a quick car will ALWAYS win......period,purely down to superior grip,but on the straights it`s a different story,big bike acceleration is mental and it will take the big power cars a long time to catch up by which time you will usually run out of road..I`ve ridden John Reynolds superbike with 204Bhp and that would ice most hypercars in a straight line drag,it would take something like Tarrys car or a Veyron to have a chance....

_SpeedX_

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i must admit ive been on a 450bhp cossie flooring it and it was nothing compared to being on the back of my mates r1, the fron wheel was lifting under accelration in 2nd gear with me on the back!


maybe its because i felt the speed more on that??

gingeRS

does that take into account the weight of the rider?

Mike1

I think when Performance Ford had Mike Rainbird's old Sapphire in and the Skyline R33 GTR they also invited an R1?

I'll let Mike tell the rest of it as I wasn't there

AndyBrew

not with me on it it wouldn't

alb

If you add the weight of the rider then you have to add the weight of the driver of the car. If you start adding this that and the other, then you may as well just start adding shopping in the boot, how heavy your soveriegn is and is the biker naked or in full leathers .

alb

Whatever the outcome i take it both of these were modified cars?.

Paul J

So you kept with a R6 with 530bhp, why do you think 600bhp would keep with a litre sportsbike???

If you want to see what the difference when tested is between cars and bikes rather than my mates bike blah blah.............

http://www.radicalsportscars.com/med...feud/index.php


1st Page: www.flickr.com/photos/johnnystorm1976/346535670/

2nd Page: www.flickr.com/photos/johnnystorm1976/346535939/

3rd Page: www.flickr.com/photos/johnnystorm1976/346536206/

4th page: www.flickr.com/photos/johnnystorm1976/346538345/

The graph on page 3 demonstrates the transition problems the bike has when cornering whilst showing that the mid corner speed is the same.





Oh and
Thats 260+mph, what did the Veyron manage in FIVE miles?

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Mike Rainbird

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Euan,
If you note, I have always said that the speed needs to be above 80mph, then you should TOAST the Fireblade / old R1s.

From zero to 80mph, the bike will leave any 2wd car for absolute dead, but once rolling into high speeds, the bike's acceleration slows down .

The fact that you did it from 50mph, meant that the bike was still in it's acceleration sweet spot.

Also, if you have a fixed distance, then the bike will also get toasted due to the fact that it has a smaller contact patch on the fron wheel, so has to brake MUCH earlier. This is why my car was able to achieve 180+ at Brunters, but why you will see that even now, there are very few bikes that can do the same speed (as Performance Bikes test all the bikes at Brunters).

alb

A Veyron costs what though? How often do you think a Veyron owner would be sitting at traffic lights and a Hayabusa pull up beside them. Anyone who can afford a veyron wouldn't even think about it, nor would i say would they be as capable a driver as most. How often do you think a Veyron driver would test the car's limits in comparison to a Haybusa's owner?.

This arguement is silly. In real terms, on real roads 90% of standard performance bikes will spank 99% of highly modified cars, either in a straight line, braking, 0-60 60-120 or 100-150. Show me a 2.5 0-60 car and that'd stand a chance but please make sure its an everyday road car.

justin.e

I've toasted a few bikes,blades and zx9 ninja or whatever they called never gone up against a r1

funniest bike memory was with Mike at the ring when he went up against a marshall on his bike,I'll let Mike tell that one

Stavros

Nobodys saying performance per pound a car is better, dont get so defensive you goon

But the way bikers get SO defensive and think they totally untouchable, makes any win in a race vs a bike extra funny

As per mikes comment, its 100mph+ is when its not so hard for cars, and under 100mph is just a couple of seconds when your cars bike beating fast anyhow.

And power means nothing if the powerband isnt any good, its been proven, even on the motorway (thinking about Doug Stirlings race with his mates Cossies that time for example), that lesser peak power is far faster than much higher if its got the powerbands and torque the more powerful one hasnt.

And...
Dont make it sound like it was really in the powerband as much as it could be...

gingeRS

a 85kg biker (plus whatever his gay leathers weigh ) on a 150kg bike with only 150bhp is gonna have far more effect than an 85kg driver sitting in a 1200kg car

Turbosystems

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power to weight ratio affects acceleration not particularly to speed
I have always run motor bikes over in my cossie never ran my own gsxr 1000 over though ,mind you that might have something to do with the fact that I can't drive both at the same time

It's Czech Mate

Negative

dovboy

This arguement is silly. In real terms, on real roads 90% of standard performance bikes will spank 99% of highly modified cars, either in a straight line, braking, 0-60 60-120 or 100-150. Show me a 2.5 0-60 car and that'd stand a chance but please make sure its an everyday road car.[/quote]



cant agree with the braking comment i'm afraid,and not on the bends either sorry

alb

Lol this is awesome.

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 150
Weight without Driver (KG) : 265
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 575.12

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 700
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1265
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 562.24

Of course it makes a difference, but if you can tell me how you would get 700BHP to the ground comfortably.

Care to explain why exactly?. 90% of standard performance bikes are around 0.8BHP per KG, care to argue less than 1% of road going cars have more than that?.

Its funny how people react when they are told somethings faster than their car, its like you've told them they've got a small willy or something. If you don't like it get a bike licence, otherwise get over it! roflmao!

alb

I agree obviously the bike has less tyre contact, but how difficult do you think it is to stop something that weighs 180kg in comparison to well over a ton.
Read PaulJ's post again...
I disagree. A car is going to be faster on the bends, but only marginally and in every other aspect spanks every car in its path.

Dingy

Raced a blade, an R1, several 600's and a 999s Not from standing starts and never really been beaten as such...

You gain in area's where they loose out and vica versa....

On a lap of a circuit the car is faster FACTOMUNDO lol

Dicko&Vacant

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alb

i take it your a biker

there really is no need to get so defensive


i no what your saying my mate has a new zx10r race prepped etc and i can safely say there probs aint a car on this forum that would stand a chance ag ainst it in any aspect

foreigneRS

you're not wrong - plus boots, back protector, helmet, gloves, extra layers of warm clothing at this time of year etc, etc

in my experience, there are some people that can ride a fast bike quick enough to beat a fast car, but not that many. it doesn't take a lot of skill or bravery to pedal a fast car fast, but it does to ride a fast bike fast

each 'race' winner will depend on many factors - who cares who wins? as long as you all have a bit of fun doing it and don't get hurt or hurt anybody else

rapidcossie

this wasnt meant to be an arguement or anything.

Was only trying to show how quick bikes really are.

An 1000cc one must be mental

If we started from 100 or above i would have been quicker but i wanted to see what it was like from lower down.

I think my car did well to keep with the bike from 50 considering i started in 3rd gear.

The car with the new spec now goes like a fooking rocket and just keeps pulling and pulling, felt like the more you keep the foot donw the quicker the thing would accerlerate

was way over 160 by the first time i looked at the speedo.

It's Czech Mate

Fuck all to do with the FASTER part mate....I quoted your comment about about braking.

Which is just untrue. Maybe on a bone dry smooth track a bike would brake as well as a performance car

On a normal every day road with varying surfaces, not a chance in hell.

Amazing how bikers dont like to be told this either Its like thay have a small willy, if they dont like it they could always stop frequenting the Blue Oyster and stop dressing like Power Rangers covered in free adverts

Turbosystems

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I have both and the car will run my bike over glad it won't be me on the bike I will be in the cosworth thanks

S1rst

Sorry but i dont believe that any 600bhp car could come close to an R1. If you only just overtook an R6 at 130, then you'd have no chance with an R1 in my opinion.

I suppose alot of it comes down to the rider of the bike. I think this is the reason why some people seem to 'think ' they 'beat' big bikes whereas i reality it was probably becuase the rider bottled it and/or came to his senses.

Carlsworth

its amazing how bikers give it large about their bikes.....


biker....a lonely wanker....joke....

cold,
wet when raining
can only carry his 1 friend
and has a massive bill from halfords because the amount he polishes his helmet....

i understand the acceleration experience on bikes is great...ive experienced it...

but for me, i would much rather be,

warm,
dry when its raining
with more than 1 friend having a laugh and conversation
and most importantly....


have an 80% chance of living compared to iker if in a big crash



carl

Gary F

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Martin's old car 0-60 2.8 secs

AndyBrew

whatever the excuse if you lose then you lose

Gary F

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agreed

Stavros

0-60 means fuck all anyhow.

When we timed the Norris Evo the Veyrons 0-60 time is 0.3 secs faster as the Evo couldnt get traction, but was still 2.5secs SLOWER than the Evo to 150.

Nash

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Lad at work has just picked up his 2003 600 Ninja and said he will batter any car on Sqn. Well my names been put forward for a pop starting at 50mph down the airfield till what ever we can hit.

I will have ago when i get my car back, as i up for anything. One of the other lads has an R1 so might ask him to come along aswell, i dont think i will beat either but it will be a good laugh having ago.

glancy2081

guy a know raced a r1 from a rolling start with his 550bhp skyline upto 120mph ,and the guy in car could have drove into the back of the bike not much in it but car was faster

Turbosystems

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Those in favour of the bikes winning appear not to own a 500 bhp + car or infact a 1000cc + bike either