Very true Simon!

I wouldn't expect a Civic to have that reading and be running at all either!

But its fun to discuss

 

Nick stop beating Si up... I've posted a car that does exactly what your talking about


Besides a Civic is the car in question not some nasty eco-friendly thing

 

foreigneRS,

You fucking just love to nit pick anything I say.

Hope this isnt a thing

Who mentioned internal cylinder mixtures - I didnt.

 

SECS it's just banter mate, but i think it's you who deserves the

you know you're wrong and you're just can't accept it like a man so try to imply that i have done something wrong. i don't know where your animosity towards me comes from

 

Where am I wrong ?

Based on the original question, there was no mention of a cat or bad
running let alone mixtures inside the cylinder next to the spark plug.

Most cars lambda is measured after the engine and before the cat.
At that measurement point NO petrol car will run at lambda 2.0

As you have stated, only TRUE gas analysers can measure lambda post cat
and these are never seen in your local garage or tuning house - I agree.

 

there

 

Ok then, what car runs lambda 2 pre cat normally ?

(other than overrun or other non load conditions)

 

Mitsubish GDI

VW FSI



Shall I continue

 

AlexF,

Pre cat - I dont think so - Proof or STFU

 

What do you think stratified injection achieves?

Lean burn....

Alex - off to look for proof

 

here'e something to help you out of the big hole that you've been digging yourself into all morning

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_direct_injection


hmmm lambda 4

 

Alex,

I understand what you are saying there but lean burn cars dont run that
lean pre cat and produce useful working power no matter what dispersal
technology is implemented.

If I am wrong then my tuning book I have is wrong too


Nick,

STFU until proof is given

 

taken from

http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ne/petrol1.htm







I could also get some quotes from some real books - but they are upstairs at my desk rather where I am currently sitting.

Alex

 

If thats pre cat then I stand corrected

Cant be that good as it isnt very widespread....

I will scan the page of the book I use for reference as it clearly is bollox.

 

That would be pre cat beacuse its talking about the injection side of things....

The Cat requires difrerent technology to deal with GDi engines.


What book is it your reading? Could it be out of date?

Alex

 

The book was written in 1988.

Its called Turbo and Supercharging written by Alan Allard.

So yes, it does pre date GDI.


I guess I cant be all knowledgable like Nick is

 

why do you have to have a dig at me? why not just accept that you are wrong with some grace?

i freely admit that you are far more knowledgeable than me on many things, as are many others (alex included). it's a fact of life and i am secure enough in mine to accept it

EDIT: ps, can i have my ladder back?

 

Sounds gracefully accepted to me.

EDIT: Shove your ladder up your arse

 

it's been a fun day on t'internet so far

 

Speak for yourself, I am stressed

I am in another technical argument on another forum (non car).
That one makes PF look like a tame place.

 

why not post a link - perhaps i can join in?

 

Actually, thats not a bad idea, unfortunately, you will need to be invited
to join the site by the admin and pay a fee !

Anyway, I think its nearly done now - In my favour

 

a book I havent read!!!

Right - amazon time!

 

that's no fun - i would've continued arguing against you

































although i doubt i would have had a clue about it

 

what site is that~?!

 

Nick - since when has that stopped you?!

 

AlexF

 

Alex, i just bought that book - 14 quid from Amazon

PS - i have run 22:1 AFR on the S2 so far