The Sludge

Right, possibly a dumb question here

BUT a 2wd saph cos does 0-60 in 6.1 secs

A 4x4 Saph cos does 0-60 in 6.6 secs

I would have thought that a 4x4 would have put down power better and equal to each corner as opposed to 2wd.

Or have i read into that wrongly???

JTECH James

iTrader: (13)

time them in the damp or wet and see what happens

its mainly a weight issue with the 4x4 in standard spec+ drivetrain loss

JjCoDeX75

4x4 has no more power (to speak of) and as such the extra drag caused by all those extra moving parts waste all that extra grip.


And 5.9 for the 2wd saph depending on where you read! 6.1 was always the time of the whale tale

JJ

gurnE

A 4x4 will nail the first 60ft but then the 2wd will claw it back due to far more power at the wheels.

Daveysaff

iTrader: (9)

The 4x4 has got to put the power through more diffs and another set of shafts, and its heavier (and gay )

rapidcossie

one of the reasons i bought a 2WD saf

rabmc

iL 2nd that , plus i like drifting roundabouts

col cos1

iTrader: (5)

2WD 2WD 2WD 2WD 2WD 2WD..........................PETEmcrash??????????? ???????????????????????????????2WD 2WD,then you can tell your mrs youve got a genuine reason why she cant drive it

pete mcrash

iTrader: (1)

u new i'd be watchin'...... ....oh look...a rain cloud.....

col cos1

iTrader: (5)

lol nice one mate........................

4x4

JTECHSAFF

sorry to go off the subject but what wheels are those on the saff in your sig

SS1

iTrader: (3)

mine is

she really is scared to drive it

after i put the boost up on this



Option 2 is fuck me unreal ..but i dont use it really ..

only for cock ends in there new cars ..who rev up at the lights

JjCoDeX75

How do you find the HKS with that level of boost?

I myself am a Blitz man (SBCi Color)

JJ

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

My XR4i (2wd) does 0-60 in 5.04 secs

Steve.

Stavros

If you had any idea how shit slow cossies feel when standard youd have most the idea why 2wds are quicker as stock- traction is NOT an issue at standard power.

Secondly, at standard suspension hight 2wd cossies grip pretty well. But soon as you "slam it on kons, bruv" it totally fucks handling and grip.

dojj

iTrader: (3)

i think the main advantage is that the 4wd one is better as a general car, the 2wd one is a bit hooligan if you like that sort of thing

besides, no one has mentioned that the 4wd one has gearbox issues that most 2wd cars will get solved with a £500 rebuild, with the 4wd car you need 10 times the money and even then you might be breaking them

Dicko&Vacant

iTrader: (3)

ours is 2wd....... i drive it

Sarah

dojj

iTrader: (3)

probably like a girl though eh

(cue sexist backlash regarding women drivers)

lead_foot

iTrader: (1)

Power to the Dojj!!

charlie luciano

iTrader: (3)

4X4's are phat, pukker and give you grip on the twisty bits, and you can power out of certain fuck ups,

2wd's are for boy racer ponces that wanna do doughnuts and go sideways showing off at cruises.


4X4 Cossie is best x far


Luciano

Benni

What is the difference in weight? Is there that much difference or is it mainly transmission losses?

Cheers, Benni.

Sideways_Sierra

My mates bought a standard 4x4 , had a race off the lights against my standard 2wd - and i left him.... so he's now gone and bought a stag1 chip to try n beat me...

... wont tell him i've already got mine booked in a fornights time for my stage1 chip he'll be seriously crying when i still go past him

JjCoDeX75

PMSL

For 4X4 think Bicycle with stabilizers!

JJ

dojj

iTrader: (3)

it's a fair few more kilos, probably between 100 and 150 on top of the 2wd car but you do get another 16 brake and a better engine and wires and stuff to go with it

off the line it's going to be much better, especially in the wet, but i'm biased

Benni

What would be quicker around a Track?

SS1

iTrader: (3)

car runs like a dream ...

but its stu@msds old test mule ..so thats to be expected

Benni

Quick as fuck too.

SS1

iTrader: (3)

Benni

it chatters like a big issue seller with the DTS

and pulls quite nice in 5th gear

JjCoDeX75

Cool

JJ

Mike1

Which track? Wet or dry track? I've got a head to head of the standard cars in a mag article around Combe ( before chicanes ) were put in and the 2wd was quicker in the dry with the same driver doing the laps.
Whether that's capable of being repeated depends on whether you can drive the cars to the same limits I guess?

pete mcrash

iTrader: (1)

its all about the driver....i tend to just say "fuk it" and crash.......

Mike1

Exactly, that's why I like to see the laps done by the same pro driver - illustrates more what that car is capable of to me, rather than different ability levels when people have an Italian tune-up with their mate

xr2i-carl

get two in a race and hit a damp roundabout we all know which one will come out quicker and not bent

dojj

iTrader: (3)

i seem to remember someone trying to drift their newly aquired 4wd saph and promtly smahing it into the armco at about 100 mph a while back i think it was the poster called cossiecrew

he was quite pleased with himself as he's only had the car for about 4 hours

xr2i-carl

Mike1

I don't know so much - 140mph-ish, 0-60 in 6 seconds 0-100 in 15-ish seconds and a ss1/4 of 14.5 seconds is not exactly pedestrian for a std car even these days.
Admittedly the latest hot hatches have much better suspension and grip but they are 20 year old cars now

Jim Galbally

agree with steve, traction is NOT an issue on a standard car.

also on track (dry) you'll rarely have traction issues on all but really tight 2nd gear bends with lowish power, so no real gain from the 4wd.
add some water into the mix, and the 4wd comes into it's own

Mike1

Very true - std suspension set up wasn't bad for traction compared to other 200bhp rwd cars of it's time

wimwerf

and it rains a lot in the UK..and holland btw..

Mike1

There's merits to both configs really - both great cars whichever you prefer/choose