Micky The Finn

i sold my last one for £1400.

RANJ

u cud ask mike to map .......

Martin-Hadland

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T6 2000 new is about £2k plus vat... I have this on my car and would not change it... mainly because I understand the software. SM4 probably does the same job (?) As Mark is your tuner why are you asking??

Martin-Hadland

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wtf?

rapidcossie

A few of my friends have swapped management a few times only to find no difference at all...

The maper is most important part as road cars dont need THAT sophisticated management...

Martin-Hadland

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Agreed with you choice of ECU but no need to rub Daves nose in it! All your listed requirements could have been met with several much cheaper ECU's though ... T6 has soooo much more than you listed though....

Tony Ryan

Going onto T6 was the single best upgrade ive made on any racecar so far ! The same engine developed lots more power and drove better without any other mods ,very pleased with it .
T6 2000 has more memory and capabilities but i dont need to datalog much more than the usual parameters for my Mapper to check after each race so i went for the T6 .
There is a new ecu available that makes T6 virtually obsolete now , SVQ or something its called , supposed to be better but i have no more info .

Fibly

Ive got life racings f88 ecu, cheaper than the t6 and does loads more!!!

marco polo

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well they all sound nice but i cant afford one

Mike Rainbird

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Dave,
The second article I did for Fast Ford (Issue 249) detailed everything that the T6 can do. However, for your information - look here:

http://www.pectel.co.uk/sub_page.cfm...ucts/editID/14 The PDF file you can down-load on this page also goes into a bit more detail.

I also explained in layman's terms why I NEEDED T6 for my new engine, so if you have an email address you would like me to send it to, I can send you the article I wrote if you haven't got access to the relevant FF issue?

I don't know enough about Autronic to know how it compares. However, why do YOU think you need T6 over your current ECU?

foreigneRS

i disagree - i believe that a road car needs more sophisticated management than a race car (certainly a circuit racer) as it has to handle different circumstances

CossieRich

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Pros: it has as many if not more features than Autronic.

Cons: It costs more than Autronics, and will Mark map T6?

Micky The Finn

ive just baught a subaru impreza rally car with one of them fitted but dont have a clue what it is/does.

Mike Rainbird

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Basically one of the main guys at Pectel left and set up on his own to produce a cheaper competitor for the Pectel hardware . Should be very similar, but cheaper .

Porkie

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Exactly what I thought. Mark has had amazing results with SM4 and if its good enough for Rod and Keith then its clearly good enough for you???

Call me a knob if you want but this post stinks of something....

CossieRich

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Knob

Porkie

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Fibly

Mine was installed and mapped at ATM and has made a huge difference!
I have 4 different maps to choose from, as my car is a stage rally car i have 2 different stages of anti lag and 2 maps without anti lag 1 high boost and 1 low boost for very wet conditions all of which are selected using a simple rotary knob on the dash. I was told that for track days i could remove the resrictor on the ecu and have a big power map installed!
It data logs everything and i mean everything, if you have a sensor on it it will control and log it!!!

Micky The Finn

cheers mike,so fairly decent then even with the gay name.

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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It is an absolute myth that fitting a particular ecu will give you more power.
Its all down to the mapper and how he sets it up.

Extra features give refinements only.

This is no diss to any particular ecu type, manufacturer or tuner etc...

foreigneRS

SECS reading between the lines, i think that tony is saying that because he could datalog easily, that the tuning was carried out to achieve more power & better driveability

that could have been achieved with any management with other datalogging though, but perhaps not as easily or conveniently

Mike Rainbird

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Simon,
That's not strictly true, as one with more resolution can allow you to get away with a little bit more than you would with a less powerful ECU. So providing that the engine is specced accordingly to take advantage of this, you might see a little bit more power (but it means hugher compression and less margin for error to do so).

GARETH T

the t6 strong point is its amount of correction calibration maps,

and if there isnt a correction map of your needs, pectel will write you a new profile! one of the most profesional mainstream companys i have delt with!

Mike Rainbird

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Apparantly it even has a correction map for if you're Welsh . Gareth had to get them to write that especially for him though .

GARETH T

ya it corrects it for the clean welsh air,,, not the shit you breath/talk

foreigneRS

quality comeback to the norfolk pig farmer

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Mike,

Example....

(Static rpm power test )

If an engine needs 12.0 deg advance and 15.00 milliseconds to make 400 bhp
then ANY ecu that delivers those requirements will make the same power.

Resolution is NOT an issue at high injector duty ratio's.
At that level, manfufacturing tolerances of components will have a greater
effect especially when you consider ALL ecus work internally in microseconds.

For example, depending on how the multipliers are set up on an L6, you
can get an injector resolution of 4 to 64 microseconds.
A high spec ecu for an example had a resolution of 0.5 microseconds.

So in the above example the best case error difference could be
3.5 microseconds.

3.5 microseconds on 15.00 milliseconds is only 0.02% difference.


Anyway, you know as well as I do engines are NOT tuned on specific
injector intervals pre calculated, they are tuned to what they need.

Things like transient fuelling/ignirion can affect power curves but most
engine dyno printouts are just captured points of a static power reading.
Nearly all ecus can deliver the same transient conditions with proper
setting up which is the thing that varies so much betweeen manufacturers.
Its all down to how much time/effort/skill is put into the setting
up/calibration/mapping process.

foreigneRS

SECS you should know that mike is talking more about the ignition timing map resolution than the fuelling

Stu @ M Developments

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Agreed.
A large percentage of aftermarket ECU's dont even have cold correction parameters for when our engines are very cold. Some are, truly pathetic.

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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foreigneRS,

Ignition timing/Fuelling uses the same hardware timers so the resolution is related

Using my example, 12.00 degrees is 12.00 degrees no matter how many
resolution segments it is made up off.

Granted the L8 as an example only has an ignition resolution of 0.2 degrees but
tolerances/engine speed stability averaging all adds up to be
larger than those resolution differences at medium to high rpms.

(AN ENGINE HELD AT 3000 ISNT EXACTLY 3000 RPM CONTINUOUSLY)


By what you and Mike are implying......

Does this mean RP Labs modified L8 ecu resolution make your engine
less powerfull so you shouldnt buy it but get a T6 instead ???

NO is my answer to that


(PLEASE DO NOT TAKE MY EXAMPLES AS ANY FORM OF DISS )

Deano

Does the better the ECU say Pectel T6 make a car easier or harder to map Stu or is it pretty much the same regardless of ECU choice ?

Just wondered if there was a specific ECU you preffered mapping